Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles

[crossfire]

Your source is about Human trafficking and not female so that is dishonest to twist the actual address to fit your purpose,sorry that is Off-Topic as we are discussing female issue.

Did you miss the title caption of "Human Trafficking of Females" at the top of the image? The title of the image is "Trafficking of Females," which you can see here:
File:Trafficking of Females.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So no, it is not off topic.

 

[Pegg]

And it is up to me if i want to respect her or not.

And you can respect her for being naked,thats up to you.

Whats the problem ?

would God want you to respect his daughters?

 

[Pegg]

In my opinion its totally wrong to say equality between men and women, they are not equal in any thing, strength, mentality, emotions, duties, so then how to say they must be equal in rights
Its like socialism, working harder and lesser working should have the same vouchers regardless tgeir efforts or productivity
I believe in many fields women should have more rights than men, and in other fields men should have more but taking it as a bulk take it or leave it is really too far from the nature that we had created with

When God created the first woman, he created her to be the mans equal. She and him were said to become 'one' ... that means they were one and the same...equals in every sense of the word.

their responsibilities and roles in society is not what make them equal though... we can have differences in that regard and still be equals. For example, men can never bring a child into the world and nurture it the way a woman can. It doesnt make him less of a human just because there is a certain something he cannot do. And it certainly doesnt mean he should have less rights because he cannot carry out such a role.

The view that women are less human then men is a very sinful idea. God does not view women that way and nor should men.

 

[Gurtej]

would God want you to respect his daughters?

I am eagerly waiting for reply

 

[FearGod]

Did you miss the title caption of "Human Trafficking of Females" at the top of the image? The title of the image is "Trafficking of Females," which you can see here:
File:Trafficking of Females.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So no, it is not off topic.

What is their reference for such an amazing data.

i can see in TV and the net where is human trafficking and where prostitution is allowed and who is forcing to legalize it.

So trafficking of female and prostitution should be stopped.

Do you agree then that women shouldn't be an object for sex.

 

[crossfire]

What is their reference for such an amazing data.

The WomanStats Project and Database
Map page for that site:
Maps

i can see in TV and the net where is human trafficking and where prostitution is allowed and who is forcing to legalize it.

So trafficking of female and prostitution should be stopped.

All human trafficking should be stopped.
If a person, male or female, voluntarily wants to prostitute themselves on their own, then fine. However, since the demand for prostitutes far exceeds the supply of willing prostitutes, I am opposed to it as a legalized business, as that would lead to more human trafficking in order to meet demand for prostitutes by greedy businesspersons, aka "pimps."

Do you agree then that women shouldn't be an object for sex.

Viewing anyone as a sex object does not lead to a healthy and sane mind, imo. Everyone should be encouraged to take control of their own minds in this regard, but "thought police" government is not effective in making people do so. Governments can only enforce against actions, not against thoughts. "There should be no compulsion in religion" is a good demonstration/expression of this concept, imo.

 

[dust1n]

I would advice anyone here to compare the abuse against woman's in the West with the East and then tell me if this Document really is worth it.

...like what, exactly?

 

[FearGod]

The WomanStats Project and Database
Map page for that site:
Maps

So that isn't an official record that we can trust to be true.

All human trafficking should be stopped.
If a person, male or female, voluntarily wants to prostitute themselves on their own, then fine. However, since the demand for prostitutes far exceeds the supply of willing prostitutes, I am opposed to it as a legalized business, as that would lead to more human trafficking in order to meet demand for prostitutes by greedy businesspersons, aka "pimps."

self employed prostitute.
Pimp are good to manage the business and to bring more customers.
What the problem with pimps ?

Viewing anyone as a sex object does not lead to a healthy and sane mind, imo. Everyone should be encouraged to take control of their own minds in this regard, but "thought police" government is not effective in making people do so. Governments can only enforce against actions, not against thoughts. "There should be no compulsion in religion" is a good demonstration/expression of this concept, imo.

Depends what is in their minds.
For example thinking to kill or rape can be a thinking of one own mind,but should we let
him do it because that is his own thinking and mind.

 

[Sahar]

Seems reasonable to me,whats the problem?,from the "The Freedom and Justice Party",my Dad was right,"you can't tell a book by its cover Son".

The 57th session of the UN Commission on the Status of Women (CSW), taking place from March 4 to 15 at UN headquarters, seeks to ratify a declaration euphemistically entitled ‘End Violence against Women’.


That title, however, is misleading and deceptive. The document includes articles that contradict established principles of Islam, undermine Islamic ethics and destroy the family, the basic building block of society, according to the Egyptian Constitution.


This declaration, if ratified, would lead to complete disintegration of society, and would certainly be the final step in the intellectual and cultural invasion of Muslim countries, eliminating the moral specificity that helps preserve cohesion of Islamic societies.


A closer look at these articles reveals what decadence awaits our world, if we sign this document:


1. Granting girls full sexual freedom, as well as the freedom to decide their own gender and the gender of their partners (ie, choose to have normal or homo- sexual relationships), while raising the age of marriage.


2. Providing contraceptives for adolescent girls and training them to use those, while legalizing abortion to get rid of unwanted pregnancies, in the name of sexual and reproductive rights.


3. Granting equal rights to adulterous wives and illegitimate sons resulting from adulterous relationships.


4. Granting equal rights to homosexuals, and providing protection and respect for prostitutes.


5. Giving wives full rights to file legal complaints against husbands accusing them of rape or sexual harassment, obliging competent authorities to deal husbands punishments similar to those prescribed for raping or sexually harassing a stranger.

6. Equal inheritance (between men and women).


7. Replacing guardianship with partnership, and full sharing of roles within the family between men and women such as: spending, child care and home chores.


8. Full equality in marriage legislation such as: allowing Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men, and abolition of polygamy, dowry, men taking charge of family spending, etc.


9. Removing the authority of divorce from husbands and placing it in the hands of judges, and sharing all property after divorce.

10. Cancelling the need for a husband’s consent in matters like: travel, work, or use of contraception.


These are destructive tools meant to undermine the family as an important institution; they would subvert the entire society, and drag it to pre-Islamic ignorance.


The Muslim Brotherhood urges the leaders of Muslim countries and their UN representatives to reject and condemn this document, and to call upon this organization to rise to the high morals and principles of family relations prescribed by Islam.


The Muslim Brotherhood also calls on Al-Azhar (the highest seat of learning for Muslims) to take the lead, condemn this declaration, and state clearly the Islamic viewpoint with regard to all details of this document.


Further, we urge all Islamic groups and associations to take a decisive stand on this document and similar declarations.
In conclusion, we call on women's organizations to commit to their religion and morals of their communities and the foundations of good social life and not be deceived with misleading calls to decadent modernization and paths of subversive immorality.


God Almighty says: "God wants to forgive you, but those who follow whims and desires want you to deviate far away from the Path). {Quran 4 : 27}
The Muslim Brotherhood
Cairo: March 13, 2013

I have no problem with the objection to most of these but are these mentioned in the UN Plan? I need to look at the document and with the details. It's mentioned concisely in the news websites:

The final document approved Friday reaffirms that women and men have the right to enjoy all human rights "on an equal basis," recommits governments to comprehensive sex education, calls for sexual and reproductive health services such as emergency contraception and safe abortion for victims of violence, and calls on government to criminalize violence against women and punish gender-related killings. But it dropped references to sexual orientation and gender identity.

UN adopts plan to combat violence against women - Yahoo! News
These are very broad items...for example the government's commitment to provide sex education...to who? To couples planning to get married for instance?
They mention two examples of what they mean by "sexual and reproductive health services" and I don't think they are objectionable...but what else does this include?

 

[dust1n]

self employed prostitute.
Pimp are good to manage the business and to bring more customers.
What the problem with pimps ?

I don't understand. A prostitute is not worthy of respect, but being a pimp is no problem? I don't really understand how this Islam thing works.

 

[Looncall]

So are you with or against prostitution, regardless of religion perspective or which countries allowing it.

Both.

It does provide a sort of safety valve for those who fall on hard times.

I would prefer that people not fall on hard times.

The muslim attitude seems to be based on notions of purity rather than on what harms might come to anyone.

 

[Sahar]

It is sometimes painful to see the innocence and denial of common Muslims about what's happening under their nose. Prostitution most definitely exists in Muslim Middle Eastern countries, and there are about 100,000 women who fell to prostitution in Iran alone, not to mention the active sex trafficking industry in those nations.
Right now, many Syrian women are degraded to prostitution and are being expolited as they find themselves as refugees of their nation's civil war.

Yes, it exists, what does this prove exactly?
Does it mean Muslims shouldn't argue for the immorality and illegality of such practice?

 

[FearGod]

I don't understand. A prostitute is not worthy of respect, but being a pimp is no problem? I don't really understand how this Islam thing works.

In Islam both are lost souls and deserve punishment,but crossfire said it is fine if self employed and the bad thing is pimps and then i am asking what bad with pimps if they manage such business.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Both.

It does provide a sort of safety valve for those who fall on hard times.

I would prefer that people not fall on hard times.

The muslim attitude seems to be based on notions of purity rather than on what harms might come to anyone.

To be fair, most Muslims I've talked to (both on- and off-line) seem to count something that they believe would lead to being punished by God as harmful. It is a primarily religious viewpoint, obviously, but I still think it's worth mentioning in discussions like this one about what is or isn't "harmful."

 

[Sahar]

Both.

It does provide a sort of safety valve for those who fall on hard times.

I would prefer that people not fall on hard times.

The muslim attitude seems to be based on notions of purity rather than on what harms might come to anyone.

Safety valve?!!
The Muslim attitude is based on all that. On preventing all kinds of harm that come with it; spiritual, moral, psychological, physical and social harm.

 

[FearGod]

Both.

It does provide a sort of safety valve for those who fall on hard times.

I would prefer that people not fall on hard times.

The muslim attitude seems to be based on notions of purity rather than on what harms might come to anyone.

Yes selling their bodies on hard times.

And if was a man,then he has the right to kill and steal to gain some money at hard times because i don't think he can work as prostitute.

 

[Breathe]

Personally, I don't see the problem with many of these.

However, for some reason, I take issue with the outlawing of polygamy. Some have no problem with polygamy. In Islam, the husband may only take an additional wife if his previous wives agree without coercion. Supposing that is followed, I don't see the problem: the outlawing of polygamy altogether appears to me as little more than a form of cultural imperialism; simply because we have a difference of values, why should we decide what consenting adults do in their bedroom?

We Westerners are always saying what consenting people do in their own homes should be nobody else's business - usually taken to mean OK-ing premarital, kinky, or same-sex relationships, but I think that consenting polygamy (polygyny or polyandry from all involved) that is not through coercion should also be treated this way. Simply because we may not like it doesn't mean we should outlaw it.

I can see why some Muslims may take issue with some of these issues, though I don't agree with them, and I think some of it is wording. Replacing "guardian", for example: the term "guardians (or protectors)" is used in the Qur'an to refer to men's relationship with women, and so it could be taken, for example, as a slight to the Qur'an.

 

[WyattDerp]

Those kind of women that we should highly respect .:yes:

[woman in bikini]

The simple fact that you talk about "kinds of women" simply renders whatever you consider "respect" worthless, no matter whom you have it for.

 

[crossfire]

So that isn't an official record that we can trust to be true.

Perhaps you would like to present acceptable information?

self employed prostitute.
Pimp are good to manage the business and to bring more customers.
What the problem with pimps ?

Like I said in my post, making a business out of it will increase the demand for prostitutes, and there are not enough people willing to be prostitutes to meet the demand. This would lead to an increase in human trafficking.

All human trafficking should be stopped.
If a person, male or female, voluntarily wants to prostitute themselves on their own, then fine. However, since the demand for prostitutes far exceeds the supply of willing prostitutes, I am opposed to it as a legalized business, as that would lead to more human trafficking in order to meet demand for prostitutes by greedy businesspersons, aka "pimps."

A person working on their own does not constitute human trafficking.

Depends what is in their minds.
For example thinking to kill or rape can be a thinking of one own mind,but should we let
him do it because that is his own thinking and mind.

That is not what I said. I said governments can only enforce actions, not thoughts. A government can't make a person not think about raping and killing, but it can enforce punishment upon those who actually rape and kill. Government's realm of enforcement is the objective realm. Taking care of their own mind and thoughts is up to the individual to do. Government cannot help them in the realm of the subjective.

Viewing anyone as a sex object does not lead to a healthy and sane mind, imo. Everyone should be encouraged to take control of their own minds in this regard, but "thought police" government is not effective in making people do so. Governments can only enforce against actions, not against thoughts. "There should be no compulsion in religion" is a good demonstration/expression of this concept, imo.

 

[FearGod]

Perhaps you would like to present acceptable information?


Like I said in my post, making a business out of it will increase the demand for prostitutes, and there are not enough people willing to be prostitutes to meet the demand. This would lead to an increase in human trafficking. A person working on their own does not constitute human trafficking.


That is not what I said. I said governments can only enforce actions, not thoughts. A government can't make a person not think about raping and killing, but it can enforce punishment upon those who actually rape and kill. Government's realm of enforcement is the objective realm. Taking care of their own mind and thoughts is up to the individual to do. Government cannot help them in the realm of the subjective.

i think prostitution is bad in all its forms,if a woman is in need then the society should help her without the need for ******* her or to find someone to **** her,OMG