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Muslims: 72 Virgins in Paradise?

Mujahid Mohammed

Well-Known Member
michel said:
Sorry to disappoint you guys...................

From:- http://www.straightdope.com/columns/011214.html

The difficulty in determining what the Koran has to say about virgins and such is establishing what the Koran says, period. Translators vary widely in their rendering of the spare and often opaque text. For example, we find the following passage in a Web-based version of Islam's holy book (www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islamic/index.htm): "Verily, for the Muttaqun [righteous], there will be a success (paradise); gardens and grapeyards; and young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age; and a full cup (of wine)" (An-Naba 78:31-34). Whoa, one thinks--the Kingdom of Heaven meets the Playboy Advisor! However, most other English translations, both on-line and in print, replace "full-breasted maidens" with some tame construction such as "companions." Inquiring further, we find that the Arabic word at issue is WakawaAAiba, which appears nowhere else in the Koran. The French, less prudish in these matters, usually render it as something like des belles aux seins arrondis, "beautiful women with round breasts," so I think it's pretty clear what the Prophet, or at least his stenographers, had in mind.
Nothing in the Koran specifically states that the faithful are allotted 72 virgins apiece. For this elaboration we turn to the hadith, traditional sayings traced with varying degrees of credibility to Muhammad. Hadith number 2,562 in the collection known as the Sunan al-Tirmidhi says, "The least [reward] for the people of Heaven is 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome of pearls, aquamarine and ruby."
A little hype from the marketing department, you may say. Fine. Let's return to the Koran, Islam's font of religious authority. Even if we leave out the racy detail and make allowances for metaphor, we're obliged to admit that Islamic heaven is a pretty rockin' place, with an emphasis on sensual pleasures. The provision of virgins in indeterminate quantities is alluded to at numerous points, and you know they're not just there to fluff the pillows. (In fairness to the Prophet, the physical quality usually attributed to the houris, as they're called, is "wide lovely eyes.") The food, service, ambience., etc, are great. You're allowed to enjoy things the Koran explicitly denies you on earth, such as alcohol, and you won't even get sick. ("Wine . . . delicious to those who drink it . . . will neither dull their senses nor they will become drunk.") Granted, the whole thing is skewed toward the male idea of a good time, a defect by no means confined to Islam. Were Muhammad to found a religion today, I'm confident that each female arrival in heaven would be assigned a comely stud who would provide fabulous sex and in addition hang the curtain rods the first time he was asked. Granted, also, the emphasis on virgins is a little weird. (Think back on the first nights you've been party to. Was this your idea of great sex?) Still, you have to admit, heaven as Party Central sure beats the Christian idea of angels with harps.


I rather like these questions that arise from the prospect................
from http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000079.html

1) What if the bomber wants girls with more experience?
2) What if one virgin is no good in bed? Does she get replaced or is he stuck with 71?
3) If he's gay, does he get male virgins?
4) What if he's celibate? What does he get?
5) What if he hasn't reached puberty yet? Does he get 72 Xboxes till he comes of age?
6) If he's bi, does he get 36 of each?
7) If he blows himself up while building the bomb, does he still get credit?
8) What do you call a relationship with 72 women, a menage-a-soixante-deux?
9) Are they like 72 wives or 1 wife and 71 concubines?
10) What if he's ugly or smells bad and the virgins don't want anything to do with him?
11) Is there viagra in paradise? Ya know, just in case?
12) Is there an age of consent?
13) When they're deflowered, do they get replaced by new virgins or are they "born again"?
14) Do they become his common-law wives eventually?
15) If he has a tryst with a 73rd virgin, do the others consider it cheating?
16) Do the virgins have a union? If so, can they strike if they're not satisfied?
17) Is there a temp agency that replaces virgins if they call in sick?
18) What if the bomber's into animals? Does he get accommodated?
19) Why 72? Is 71 too few? Is 73 too many?
20) If it was a female bomber, how do the male virgins prove their virginity?
21) What happens when paradise runs out of virgins?
22) Can a bomber make reservations on specific virgins before he blows himself up?
23) If there are no virgins available, is he put on a waiting list?
24) If he's a catholic priest, does he get 72 little boys?
25) Would you call a female bomber a bombshell?
26) Would you call a child bomber a bombino?
27) Is it not 73 out of respect for Barry Bond's home run record?
28) If the bomber previously dated one of the virgins, does it get awkward?
29) Do they have a bomb squad in paradise just in case one of the charges didn't go off?
30) Did they start using female bombers because they ran out of virgins for the guys?
31) If she's a lesbian, do they "convert" the virgins, or will straight girls suffice her?
32) Does a hermaphrodite bomber get hermaphrodite virgins?
33) If so, are there 72 available?
34) If they run out of virgins, do they get inflatable dolls till they find more?
35) If a bomber finds an infidel in paradise, can he blow him up and get 72 more virgins?
36) Could the Koran have had a typo and it actually provided just one 72 year old virgin?
37) Is Muslim hell being one of the 72 virgins?
38) Instead of 72 guys, would a female bomber settle for 1 man who does dishes and garbage?
39) Do the bombers go broke on Valentine's Day?
40) If he's monogamous, does he pick one of the 72 or does he get a supermodel?
41) What if he doesn't like either gender? Does he just klutz around in paradise?
42) Eternity is long, and eventually he'll grow bored of his 72 women. What happens then?
43) How does he pick the 72 to begin with? Lottery? Beauty pageant? Police lineup?
44) Is he allowed to covet his neighbor's virgins?
45) Do the virgins have agents and/or contracts?
46) If so, can a virgin request to be traded or put on waivers if she's unhappy?
47) What should he say if one of the virgins asks "Does this Burka make me look fat?"
48) If he gives the wrong answer, is he uh, screwed?
49) How is anyone expected to handle a catfight amongst 72 women?
50) Did the 9/11 hijackers who didn't know they were going to die get 72 virgins too?
51) Are scouts employed to find virgin talent?
52) Do the virgins ever retire, or do they remain virgins forever?
53) If they retire, what kind of pension plan do they get?
54) Wouldn't it be interesting if they're virgins because they're ugly?
55) So is it 72 Muslim girls or like 1 virgin from every culture?
56) Wouldn't it be sweet if Lorena Bobbit got hired as one of the virgins?
57) What does Gloria Steinem have to say about all this?
58) When he gets home, does he have to say "How was your day?" to all 72 virgins?
59) Do they have counseling for sexual addiction in paradise?
60) If the virgins start hogging the remote, is he in hell?
61) They must take up an entire theater when they go to the movies, huh?
62) Are there restaurants in paradise that can accommodate a reservation for 73?
63) If a virgin suffers from multiple personalities, is she considered two virgins?
64) Does he get all the virgins at once, or do they have an installment plan?
65) Is the bomber entitled to subsitutes, exchanges, or refunds?
66) What if all the king's horses and all the king's men can't put the bomber together again?
67) Is "not tonight, dear, I have a headache" a valid excuse in paradise?
68) Do the virgins come with a warranty?
69) If so, does paradise replace defective parts and provide on-site service?
70) What do you call a lifetime warranty if you're dead?
71) Do siamese twin bombers get 144 virgins?
72) Who gets to clean up all those nasty sheets?:cover:
If you want I will answer these from the context of the Quran and Sunnah.
 

Mujahid Mohammed

Well-Known Member
Sunstone said:
That's largely the reason I think the 72 virgins is an adolescent fantasy. Inexperienced adolescent males are naturally drawn to inexperienced adolescent females.
Reality does not need you to believe in it in order for it to exist. Truth, Absolute Truth defines what is real and what is an illusion. For He Created it and I mean ALL OF IT.:D
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Mujahid Mohammed said:
Reality does not need you to believe in it in order for it to exist. Truth, Absolute Truth defines what is real and what is an illusion. For He Created it and I mean ALL OF IT.:D
Hehe, well... so the story goes. I will only say that Muslim's should not get their hopes up, amoungst other things. :cover:

To call these tales far-fetched is putting it mildly. Wasn't it Prophet Muhammed [pbuh] who told people that "no man has seen" "no man knows" and yet he went on and on about what he had seen. Sorry, that does make one wonder.
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
the Prophet (saw) said, "I saw Hell and I saw that most of its
inhabitants were women".

al-Bukhaari and Muslim report from Abu Sa'eed al-Khudri that the Prophet
(saw) said, "O women give in charity, for I have seen that you form the
majority of the people of Hell." They asked, "Why is that so, O Messenger of
Allaah (saw)?" He said, "Because you curse too much and are ungrateful for
good treatment".

al-Bukhaari and Muslim report from Usaamah ibn Zayd that the Prophet (saw)
said "I stood at the gate of Hell, and saw that most of those who entered
were women".

Muslim reports from 'Imraan ibn Husayn (ra) that the Prophet (saw) said, "Few
of the inhabitants of paradise are women".
I thank my Prophet for warnning us, women, this leads me more to try my best not to be one of those women who will enter the Hell.

Sunstone said:
I'm not sure I could enjoy paradise if I had to spend it with 72 virgins who were "perfect" in every way. I think all that perfection would get boring. Besides, where are their personalities? Where are their dreams, wants, and needs? Where are their insights and opinions? Where are their talents and skills? Where are all the things that make a woman more interesting than her body alone makes her? Perfection is nice, but it can't compete with a real woman.
Every thing you want is available. The God who created those hoors is the exact same God who created you and He knows what you want more than you do, so don't worry!! I think one should worry more about the means which will drive him to Heaven.
Note in Heaven there is no boredom and if there was so what would be the importance of the eternity concept?!
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
YmirGF said:
Hehe, well... so the story goes. I will only say that Muslim's should not get their hopes up, amoungst other things. :cover:

I didn't get what do you mean in here !

To call these tales far-fetched is putting it mildly. Wasn't it Prophet Muhammed [pbuh] who told people that "no man has seen" "no man knows" and yet he went on and on about what he had seen. Sorry, that does make one wonder.

Where did he went on and on about what he had seen?

Did he ever mentioned that he saw somthing?

Wait a second, do you mean the things which is written in the Quran or somthing?
 

ayani

member
Mujahid Mohammed said:
As many clothes, jewels, trinkets, money, servants, cocktails, cruises, parties, pretty much any thing her heart desires.

that's a slightly....cliched assumption. one assumes that a woman will want these things. and they are rather shallow things at that. i would hope that the next world would be less glittery and more Godly.

in heaven, as souls are freed from their bodies, will women be able to worship alongside men?
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
gracie said:
that's a slightly....cliched assumption. one assumes that a woman will want these things. and they are rather shallow things at that. i would hope that the next world would be less glittery and more Godly.

in heaven, as souls are freed from their bodies, will women be able to worship alongside men?

I guess what he meant is that, anyone can get what he/she wants.

About worshipping, there will be no more worshipping in heaven but only enjoyment and be near God, seeing him, talking to him one-on-one. When God ask people if they are satisfied they say they are, and when he show them his face, they will never ask for anything else. Oh my God, send us with the believers to heaven, Amen.
 

ayani

member
thank you, The Truth. in the Islamic view, will there be such material goods in heaven, though? and why would a person want pleasure or riches if they are so near to God?
 

jacquie4000

Well-Known Member
thank you, The Truth. in the Islamic view, will there be such material goods in heaven, though? and why would a person want pleasure or riches if they are so near to God?
Gracie that is a beautiful statement.

My ex-husband was over last night, along with some of his friends to help me move some things....He is Muslim, from Egypt, I had ask him about this statement.

As as been posted in previous statements here, he stated it is not in the Quran that you will have 72 Virgins. He also stated that there is a Hadith that states this but it is not consided to be Authentic in anyway.

He stated it is a belief among Muslim Fanatics and is not the belief among the majorrity of Muslims. (about 72 Virgins)
His friends who were all Muslims tend to agree this is not an authentic hadith, and the statement is not widely believed.
 

ayani

member
Jacquie- that is good to know. the hadith have always kind of been a stumbling block for me. it's cool to here that perhaps most Muslims do not worry over that particular doctrine. :)
 

gnostic

The Lost One
I think Muslims inform other Muslims (as well as non-Muslims), which hadiths are clearly authentic or not. You can't blame non-Muslims and ignorant (fanatical) Muslims if they come across such nonsense about 72 virgins, if they aren't informed on them.

However, I expect some (equally ignorant) clerics would object the excising the unauthentic hadiths, because it would lessen their chances of conversions. The convicted Indonesians from the Bali bombing had stated that they would be rewarded with 72 virgins for killing civilians. I have no respect for Indonesian justice system, because I have grave doubts they would execute those murderers. The Indonesian laws have the tendency to release murderers, just because they are Indonesians and Muslims.
 

jacquie4000

Well-Known Member
I think Muslims inform other Muslims (as well as non-Muslims), which hadiths are clearly authentic or not. You can't blame non-Muslims and ignorant (fanatical) Muslims if they come across such nonsense about 72 virgins, if they aren't informed on them.

I don't know if I really agree with this, I would think in any religion you would search for what is truth and what is not...Unless you do not know how to read.

And like I stated the vast majority does not believe this. That does not mean that the ones who do and use it to kill people thinking they will be a maytr and be rewarded for there action is right or justified in anyway.

Their are fanatics in every religion, that do things that can not be justified. Does that mean the whole religion and all of its people are to blame. I think not. Everyone is accountable for what they do in life.

I look at the person not the religion or the color ....You can not judge everyone the same.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
All the more reason, to excise those hadiths that are not authentic, jacquies. As long as they keep them, it would continue to taint Islam as a violent religion, and Muslims as violent people.

Sure, there are violent fanatics in every religion, but if something is not done about it, then don't Muslims should not blame non-Muslims for seeing them in such light.

Do you prefer that the religious leaders to ignore their problems?

If Muslims themselves won't rectify the problems, then that's their fault. If Christian leaders refused to rectify the problem of pedophile priests, then their churches should deservedly suffer the consequences.

Refusal to recognise or deal with problem, is bad for any religion, and clearly these two religions have not done so.
 

jacquie4000

Well-Known Member
For one even if the Muslim religion as a whole said this hadith is not correct and is not to be followed you would still have fanantics that followed it.

The Christian leaders can try to correct the problem of pedophile priests, but those certain type of people will always remain.

As a whole I think people want to correct problems .........that does not mean their won't always be those who do not conform to want people believe as a whole...They're will always be problems.

But I do respect what you are saying.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
The Truth said:
I guess what he meant is that, anyone can get what he/she wants.

About worshipping, there will be no more worshipping in heaven but only enjoyment and be near God, seeing him, talking to him one-on-one. When God ask people if they are satisfied they say they are, and when he show them his face, they will never ask for anything else. Oh my God, send us with the believers to heaven, Amen.

If a person could get whatever they wanted it would no longer be Paradise. I believe that only what is good is available to a person in Paradise.

This statement is contradictory to the Bible. Do you have anything from the Qu'ran to support your statement. My experience is that the two scriptures do not contradict each other.

I suspect that Muslims make the same misatake as some Christians in thinking that Paradise is the same as the Kingdom of God on earth. Heaven has no physical reality but the Kingdom does. However even the earthly Kingdom lacks some of the things common to us now. There will be no children born in the Kingdom.

Virtue is its own reward. Heaven is a place for those who wish to escape the evils of this world or want to get a rest from being in the body. God isn't rating us on a curve. If we want Paradise because we love what is good then God will make it so unless of course He needs to balance the scales of justice by returning us to new bodies. I am not saying that there isn't a reward, only that Heaven does not exist for that purpose.
 

Random

Well-Known Member
Perhaps the humans who do not seek a reward for anything but only do things out of the goodness of their hearts are the ones who will find Heaven or paradise, and the rest will be doomed to a slight return on their meagre faith.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Godlike said:
Perhaps the humans who do not seek a reward for anything but only do things out of the goodness of their hearts are the ones who will find Heaven or paradise, and the rest will be doomed to a slight return on their meagre faith.

Quite; I am sure that is the way. As a believer in reincarnation, I reckon it's going to take me awhile...............:cover:
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
not4me said:
I thank my Prophet for warnning us, women, this leads me more to try my best not to be one of those women who will enter the Hell.
I don't know maybe it's just me. But, if I read some holy words from a prophet and he said on one hand men inherit 72 virgins and then on the other hand says that hell is filled mostly with women, I'm going to think twice about believing this guy. Sounds like women are ok if they are for sexual satisfaction, but not ok otherwise.
 

Hacker

Well-Known Member
Buttercup said:
I don't know maybe it's just me. But, if I read some holy words from a prophet and he said on one hand men inherit 72 virgins and then on the other hand says that hell is filled mostly with women, I'm going to think twice about believing this guy. Sounds like women are ok if they are for sexual satisfaction, but not ok otherwise.
Great point Buttercup, Iagree!:yes: I'd rather cease to exist than to deal with that.
 

Mujahid Mohammed

Well-Known Member
YmirGF said:
Hehe, well... so the story goes. I will only say that Muslim's should not get their hopes up, amoungst other things. :cover:
You are entitled to your belief no muslim is expecting you you who does not worship Allah without any partner and does not believe that Muhammed is the last and final Messeger.

To call these tales far-fetched is putting it mildly. Wasn't it Prophet Muhammed [pbuh] who told people that "no man has seen" "no man knows" and yet he went on and on about what he had seen. Sorry, that does make one wonder.
Yes he said that but you need to say the entire hadith. There are things in paradise which no man has seen, heard, or knows but some things The Prophet did see. When he went out on the night of al Isra al Miraj
 
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