Muslims: Keeping the wife "in line"

[Sakeenah]

I'm abit confused I thought this was the thread about obbeying?.. is this one about beating the wife?..or I need to go back 10 pages?

 

[not nom]

I'm abit confused I thought this was the thread about obbeying?.. is this one about beating the wife?..or I need to go back 10 pages?

just click "first page"

 

[Sakeenah]

very good idea.. thanks

 

[beenie]

women who obeys allah know that wife beating is allowed, so she is not emotionally harmed by beating.

This is so absurd and deeply disturbing that I'm not even going to address it.

it is example for wife doing mistake being disobedient.

Really? Where is that example? All I heard is how he shushed the woman trying to challenge his opinion (typical "scholarly" behavior), and him comparing women to a 9-year-old child trying to jump from a window.

but women are women, not men.

Yes, indeed.

"Allah has made one of them to excel the other"

Nice of you to take one little bit of a verse and apply it as you wish. Typical again.

why not?

Why?

not beat her, if any injustice happened she can complain to parents or scholars.

So the scholars shush them much like Naik did? Uh-huh, that ought to go well.

police can punish criminals, also husband can punish disobedient wife.

Ridiculous analogy. Women don't need "policing".

Sister ssainhu, islam teach to live under will of allah, not per our wish. If he makes rule dont judge right or wrong, just obey it, that is only submission. Slave of allah not will question right and wrong.

I interpret this whole ayah differently than you and Godobeyer. Simple enough.

you not have read quran? it tell to beat if disobedient. 4.34

Yes, I've read it and again, I disagree with this interpretation.

good woman learn mistake from beating, after feel emotionally happy.
why quran teach beating if no good in it?

That just **might** be THE most disturbing and disgusting thing I've ever read on RF.

No, I take that back. It IS the most disturbing and disgusting thing I've ever read on RF.

 

[Vinayaka]

good woman learn mistake from beating, after feel emotionally happy.

So when a man makes a mistake, and the police beat him, he will also feel happy?

This is just nuts. Our planet is in big trouble if a lot of people still believe in this.

 

[not nom]

So when a man makes a mistake, and the police beat him, he will also feel happy?

what if the police makes the mistake and beats him? will he feel super happy?

 

[TruthSpeaker]

Okay, first, sorry about my attitude, i thought you read the thread

Second, forget about my post then, as like i said i thought you had been through all the discussion that went on, and my reply was based on that.

I don't want to go through all this all over again, but to put it simply i agree with other interpretations regarding this verse.

ok, my mistake badran brother
i read many pages and not read many pages as pages are 100+.
i reply reading complete, wait for me.

 

[beenie]

Oh, and by the way, as someone who is in martial arts, you can strike someone pretty hard, hurting them, "without leaving a mark", so that pretty much destroys the "beat but don't leave a mark" argument.

 

[TruthSpeaker]

before i complete reading full, i ask a question to muslims

if you find islam teaching is against your morality, what you will do?
choice 1) leave your morality and try to live with anything islam teach
2) stop islam?

coz my time to read 100+ page waste if you are not serious.
Ssainu siter disagreed me about submission, i also like to know what muslims understand about submission?

 

[YmirGF]

good woman learn mistake from beating, after feel emotionally happy.
why quran teach beating if no good in it?

It is difficult for a non-Muslim to read comments like this and take the writer seriously. Have you honestly thought about what you are saying?

 

[Blackdog22]

GodObeyer and Truthspeaker is there any way I can get a general idea of where in the middle east you both live?

How many people, do you find, generally believe the way you do? Would you personally say that the majority of Islam is similiar to you or do you believe that you are in the minority?

Thank you

 

[terryboy]

At first this thread sounds funny to me, but after 125 pages, I think you guys are serious..

Why don't you people get the Ijma from the Ulamaks? that would give a conclusive answer.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Godobeyer]

you not have read quran? it tell to beat if disobedient. 4.34

He against the "soft beat " and against he submission , that mean he against that verse !!!
, he against the Hadiths whom ask the wife to submission to her husband !!!!

 

[Godobeyer]

Women who obey Allah, and who are fortunate enough to know better, know that allowing her husband to beat her has absolutely nothing to do with some nonsense notion of righteousness by being the victim of her husband and submitting to him based on disgusting notions such as her being of less "sound reasoning" as he is.



Are you serious?

والله امر المراة ان تطيع زوجها
and God order the wife to obey her husband

سورة النساء - سورة 4 - آية 34​

الميزان في تفسير القرآن تقريب القرآن إلى الأذهان نور الثقلين

الرجال قوامون على النساء بما فضل الله بعضهم على بعض وبما انفقوا من اموالهم فالصالحات قانتات حافظات للغيب بما حفظ الله واللاتي تخافون نشوزهن فعظوهن واهجروهن في المضاجع واضربوهن فان اطعنكم فلا تبغوا عليهن سبيلا ان الله كان عليا كبيرا ​

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.


حسبنا الله و نعم الوكيل

 

[Godobeyer]

No you're not. Either you were messing around before when you said things like that you're going to beat you're wife into having sex with you, or you are messing around now. You can't have it both ways.

Nope, it is your opinion.

yesterday you promess me that you would anwser my PM

this is my opinion :

سورة النساء - سورة 4 - آية 34​

الميزان في تفسير القرآن تقريب القرآن إلى الأذهان نور الثقلين

الرجال قوامون على النساء بما فضل الله بعضهم على بعض وبما انفقوا من اموالهم فالصالحات قانتات حافظات للغيب بما حفظ الله واللاتي تخافون نشوزهن فعظوهن واهجروهن في المضاجع واضربوهن فان اطعنكم فلا تبغوا عليهن سبيلا ان الله كان عليا كبيرا ​

34-4
Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

this sentence , "if they obey you" , it's mean us (husbands ) or God ? , I dare you to answer this question .
وإن اطعنكم .؟

 

[Godobeyer]

it is example for wife doing mistake being disobedient.


But women are women, not men.

"allah has made one of them to excel the other"


why not?


Not beat her, if any injustice happened she can complain to parents or scholars.


Police can punish criminals, also husband can punish disobedient wife.

Sister ssainhu, islam teach to live under will of allah, not per our wish. If he makes rule dont judge right or wrong, just obey it, that is only submission. Slave of allah not will question right and wrong.

God bless you :clap
بارك الله فيك

 

[Godobeyer]

GodObeyer and Truthspeaker is there any way I can get a general idea of where in the middle east you both live?

How many people, do you find, generally believe the way you do? Would you personally say that the majority of Islam is similiar to you or do you believe that you are in the minority?

Thank you

Good question , what about this :
ok we have a challenge today (a simple question )
I dare them to answer my question, to end this issue .
this is the verse that we agrue, ok ?

34-4
Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

here the sentence , "then if they obey you" , it's mean us (husbands ) or God ? , I dare them to answer this question , and don't avoid/ignore it .

you :mention/refer to who ? God OR us (husbands) ?

edited :to understand more , "God" who would admonish (wives ) and "God"banish them to beds apart , and "God " who would scourge them ? or their husbands ?

 

[Kerr]

police can punish criminals, also husband can punish disobedient wife.

In what way are disobedient wives comparable to criminals :sarcastic?

 

[beenie]

Good question , what about this :
ok we have a challenge today (a simple question )
I dare them to answer my question, to end this issue .
this is the verse that we agrue, ok ?

34-4
Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

here the sentence , "then if they obey you" , it's mean us (husbands ) or God ? , I dare them to answer this question .

you :mention to who ? God OR us (husbands) ?

edited :to understand more , God who will admonish (wives ) and banish them to beds apart , and "God " who would scourge them ? or the husband ?

We've answered it repeatedly, and you refuse to read it or accept it.

 

[Godobeyer]

We've answered it repeatedly, and you refuse to read it or accept it.

no you don't answer me to this question , "YOU" in that verse refer to who ? Husband or God ?