Are you sure YOU'RE a Muslim? What's the point of your question.
I noticed you didn't reply to my point about kingdoms.
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Muslims: Keeping the wife "in line"
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Are you sure YOU'RE a Muslim? What's the point of your question.
I noticed you didn't reply to my point about kingdoms.
No I don't agree with "wife beating", and neither does any Muslim man I know. Have you read any of this thread?
TruthSpeaker
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you teased allah's message saying cocumbines are bad.
why double standard? make reply to post 1249 first
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2749010-post1249.html
I have a question for Godobeyer and TruthSpeajer:
Why does it bother you do much that I don't accept that the Qur'an calls for beating one's wife? Is it so important to you because I'm a woman and you want my obedience and submission?
I'm accountable to God just like you; I'm not sure why you are belaboring this one small verse of the Qur'an like it's the be all and end all of Islam.
Why does it bother you do much that I don't accept that the Qur'an calls for beating one's wife? Is it so important to you because I'm a woman and you want my obedience and submission?
I'm accountable to God just like you; I'm not sure why you are belaboring this one small verse of the Qur'an like it's the be all and end all of Islam.
Where does it say concubines are good? I never teased Allah: not sure what you're trying to say there.
No double standards, I missed that post.
Islam doesn't teach against my moralities, so your question is irrelavent.
TruthSpeaker
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you not read my question properly sister, i asked 'if'
and you have not told what is submission for you
TruthSpeaker
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when i asked you to submit sister? i only posted zakir video, you questioned zakir video i answered you. Why everytime accuse me sister?
the mistake i do is i follow islam same as majority muslim follow?
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I don't answer irrelevant "if" questions in general, but since you insist:
If I find a teaching that is in conflict with what I feel is against the overall message the religion is conveying, then I research it. If I don't like what I find out, I research some more. If I still don't like something, then it's my choice to either make peace with it or ignore that part which bothers me. In this instance, I know my husband would never raise his hand to me...the interpretation presented by you bothers me for those trying to understand and learn about Islam. It's bothersome because the very people we are trying to convince of islam's fair treatment of women are the very people you like to bash...all the insults to the "west", along with your insistence that wife beating is allowed just convinces them that Islam is not compatible in the west. That's a shame, and is far more important than worrying whether I believe in wife beating.
Who cares what my idea of submission is? My definition is not important. Let's just say that I submit to Allah alone. That, my brother, is the essence and beauty of Islam that you seem to be overlooking with all this drivel about wife beating, obedience, and submission.
TruthSpeaker
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if you are not ready to change your mind even after if proved then why ask proof for sister? why should i prove sister? you come to talk not with open mind and criticize everything you dont like without no idea if it is true or not.
dont you believe quran and islam complete and perfetct, sister? what islam say about take the portion we like from islam and leave the portion we dont like of islam. Islam is from allah, you are rejecting allah then, am i wrong sister? is it how a muslim should be?
will you make peace with wife beating if proved?
you critized godobeyer and me, so your idea of submission to allah is very very important. You criticize lot but explain less.
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The proof is on you since you are the ones insisting that wife beating is encouraged in Islam.
We're going in circles; I've made myself abundantly clear many times over and it's getting tiresome. Read the 100+ pages before you jump in and act like you know all I've said.
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TruthSpeaker
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yes sister, if proved will you accept wife beating? if cannot accept explain why i should prove? also why ask for proof?
see what you told in last post sister
ok, if you already told about submission in this thread what is post number?
NO, because I believe and have been told by scholars that the word does not mean BEAT and I choose to believe that.
Find it. Seriously, if you want to have a valid discussion, do your homework and read the entire thread. If I had to sit through 100+ pages of this drivel, then so do you. I'm not going to do it for you.I'm going to bed, just letting you know so you don't make the mistake of thinking I'm avoiding your question..
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TruthSpeaker
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you did not answered this part sister
dont you believe quran and islam complete and perfetct, sister? what islam say about take the portion we like from islam and leave the portion we dont like of islam. Islam is from allah, you are rejecting allah then, am i wrong sister? is it how a muslim should be?
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TruthSpeaker
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you are not open minded, not ready to accept anything at any cost. You go on think that i cant prove, again i say what if i prove your scholars are wrong?
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I'm going to bed, just letting you know so you don't make the mistake of thinking I'm avoiding your question..
ok . no problem. i only requested sister. i will spend long time to find your post about submission.
but you are changing your words each time sister
just too much critisize hiding your faults.
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Why do you assume my scholars are wrong?
Have fun. I hope you have some coffee handy...
Umm no I haven't, I've been consistent throughout.
Insulting who?
TruthSpeaker
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i dont assume, but ready to find out are they wrong? and accept they are wrong if proved they are wrong??
TruthSpeaker: and you have not told what is submission for you
ssainhu : Who cares what my idea of submission is? My definition is not important. Let's just say that I submit to Allah alone. That, my brother, is the essence and beauty of Islam that you seem to be overlooking with all this drivel about wife beating, obedience, and submission
TruthSpeaker: you critized godobeyer and me, so your idea of submission to allah is very very important. You criticize lot but explain less.
ssainhu : We're going in circles; I've made myself abundantly clear many times over and it's getting tiresome. Read the 100+ pages before you jump in and act like you know all I've said
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My point was simply that being disobedient is not a mistake per say. You can have every right to be disobedient, depending on the context. Take sex, for example. She has every right to disobey her husband if she doesnt feel like doing it. He does not have any right to punish her for that.
And sure, she can "complain" to her parents or scholars. So can the husband if she slaps him. Thing is... no one should have been slapped in the first place.
Apples and oranges. Policemen exist to uphold the law and protect citizens from crimes. The "beating" they give is not for simply being disobedient.
Concubines is not the same as wives.
Concubinage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Just doing what I do best, which is pointing out the obvious
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Wannabe Yogi
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Maybe there is a difference. Still, I think that in the past many cultures saw women as the property of men. Today kids are seen somewhat as the property of adults who can hit them if they want to.
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