Muslims the least educated in the world?

[FearGod]

I gave you about all that can be given unless you arbitrarily define what a university is.

Are you asking for simply a school.
An advanced education school.
An advanced school that awarded degrees.
An advanced school that awarded degrees based on general criteria.
One that is still standing.
One that is still functioning.
One that has been in continuous use.

I gave the most relevant classification for schools and dates. Anything else would be arbitrary and cherry picking.

What is the first known institution in Europe for high education in science and other branches of knowledge ?

For example in the golden age there was the house of wisdom for teaching and learning high education,what was its equivalanet in Europe in the year 800 A.D

House of Wisdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[FearGod]

1. What prophecy suggests the Jews will control Jerusalem?
2. What about evolution? You got a prophecy about that too?
3. What coincidence?


Matter of fact if you can please give me the prophecies for each of your claims. I have never heard of them.

Number 2 & 3 is my comment that the prophecies happened to be true by coincidence, i was sarcastic.

You can google for the prophecies yourself.

 

[1robin]

What is the first known institution in Europe for high education in science and other branches of knowledge ?

For example in the golden age there was the house of wisdom for teaching and learning high education,what was its equivalanet in Europe in the year 800 A.D

House of Wisdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I see we are back in the dark ages again. I guess it will be Spain next. Oxford goes back to around 1000AD, the university of Paris and Bologna maybe the same time frame or earlier. Most European buildings before that were wooden except for defensive structures, and when Europeans go to fighting it is not a caravan raid, it was Armageddon, so little survives.

I ran across a link by random that is far more relevant than what the oldest university that has been found is. Count how many of the top 100 universities are Islamic.

The 100 most international universities in the world | Features | Times Higher Education

 

[1robin]

Number 2 & 3 is my comment that the prophecies happened to be true by coincidence, i was sarcastic.

You can google for the prophecies yourself.

I constantly hear that Islam is a non prophet system because it lacks any clear prophecies. I have never found a single one that is not vague and weak so any claim to them I like to investigate. The closest I have ever seen was one that predicted the Roman army would win a battle in the future which is hardly divine for the time. However if you won't post them I won't bother.

 

[FearGod]

I see we are back in the dark ages again. I guess it will be Spain next. Oxford goes back to around 1000AD, the university of Paris and Bologna maybe the same time frame or earlier. Most European buildings before that were wooden except for defensive structures, and when Europeans go to fighting it is not a caravan raid, it was Armageddon, so little survives.

I ran across a link by random that is far more relevant than what the oldest university that has been found is. Count how many of the top 100 universities are Islamic.

The 100 most international universities in the world | Features | Times Higher Education

I said already that their weakness of today is already prophesied, prophet is derived from the word prophecy.

 

[FearGod]

I constantly hear that Islam is a non prophet system because it lacks any clear prophecies. I have never found a single one that is not vague and weak so any claim to them I like to investigate. The closest I have ever seen was one that predicted the Roman army would win a battle in the future which is hardly divine for the time. However if you won't post them I won't bother.

No i don't care that you had to know, you can search it or forget about it.

 

[1robin]

I said already that their weakness of today is already prophesied, prophet is derived from the word prophecy.

Well that sure is convenient. A great general once said to defend everything is actually to defend nothing.

 

[1robin]

No i don't care that you had to know, you can search it or forget about it.

It was your claim and therefore your burden but I do not really care if you accept your burden or not.

 

[icehorse]

Their weakness nowadays can't be ignored but that isn't due to Islam since their golden age was an Islamic by nature.

But still their weakness is proving the trustfulness of Islam since the prophet prophesied about their weakness in the end of times.

I'm not sure what historical period you're talking about. But I have heard that for its first couple of centuries Islam promoted true inquiry and critical thinking. But that long. long ago many Islamic leaders decided to migrate away from that approach and move towards a more dogmatic, "everything we need to know is in the Quran" approach.

 

[outhouse]

long ago many Islamic leaders decided.

Nope just one bad iman.

Ruined the religion.

 

[FearGod]

I'm not sure what historical period you're talking about. But I have heard that for its first couple of centuries Islam promoted true inquiry and critical thinking. But that long. long ago many Islamic leaders decided to migrate away from that approach and move towards a more dogmatic, "everything we need to know is in the Quran" approach.

The prophet foretold that Muslims will fail after the end of the caliphate due to the oppression of their new rulers, he said that such rulers will stay in control till God will remove them and a new ruler will appear declaring the return of caliphate and that will be a great sign for the end of times.

 

[1robin]

The prophet foretold that Muslims will fail after the end of the caliphate due to the oppression of their new rulers, he said that such rulers will stay in control till God will remove them and a new ruler will appear declaring the return of caliphate and that will be a great sign for the end of times.

Another reference to prophecy not even linked. I want to read these prophecies, why don't you just give them instead of paraphrasing them? I either quote a prophecy when mentioned or link it, and I never refuse to do so if I forget to do either one.

 

[Shad]

Nope just one bad iman.

Ruined the religion.

Rulers going after some of the Greek based schools of thought did not help either

 

[outhouse]

Rulers going after some of the Greek based schools of thought did not help either

Agreed.

But the one bad iman started the slide the rest just jumped on the flying rug

 

[icehorse]

The prophet foretold that Muslims will fail after the end of the caliphate due to the oppression of their new rulers, he said that such rulers will stay in control till God will remove them and a new ruler will appear declaring the return of caliphate and that will be a great sign for the end of times.

Muslims had HUNDREDS of years to rule themselves. What happened to Muslim scientific thinking between say 1300 and 1800? For just one example, Muslims were busily murdering millions and millions of Hindus during that period of time - Muslims were the conquerors and oppressors, not the oppressed.

(And once again, Christians have also murdered millions and millions of people over the years, I'm not saying Christianity is any better than Islam.)

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Topic title: Muslims the least educated in the world?
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Well Hamas certainly are dumb clucks and made themselves look stupid in the eyes of the world for firing cheap useless rockets at Israeli men women and children, they served no useful purpose and hardly killed anybody or hit anything, they might just as well have used peashooters

I wouldn't be too quick to assume they're trying to kill large numbers of Israelis to be honest.

 

[Shad]

Agreed.

But the one bad iman started the slide the rest just jumped on the flying rug

Are you revering to Al-Ghazali?

 

[Tiapan]

Does this lack of education promote violence and terrorism due to poverty associated with ignorance?

Does religious belief promote this lack of education?

OR does lack of education promote religious belief?


Muslim Statistics (Education and Employment) - WikiIslam)


Of the 1.4 billion Muslims 800 million are illiterate (6 out of 10 Muslims cannot read). In Christendom, adult literacy rate stands at 78 percent


40% of muslims can read

almost 80% of Christians can read


That is a two to one ratio.


The 57-member countries of the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) have around 500 universities compared with more than 5,000 universities in the US and more than 8,000 in India.


Nearly half of all women in the Arab world are illiterate


Three-quarters of the 100 million people unable to read or write in the 21 Arab countries are aged between 15 and 45 years old, Alecso said in a statement.


Does this muslim ignorance breed terrorism???

You add this ignorance combined with the religions required fanaticism and fundamentalism, and the recipe for terrorism is obvious


Is it time for the world to address this issue and help educate these people because their own cultures do not promote education and knowledge at normal levels?

Can we even battle terrorism with education??

When I was young we were taught the times table (1x2=2, 2x2=4, 2x3=6 etc.) by repetitively writing it down and reciting it similar to the islamic students of many Madrassas reciting the Koran endlessly.

This is called rote learning, when I did my teaching degree we were taught to move away from this type of imprinted memory modification and instead promote ways to think and work things out so we moved as educators to facilitators.

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, give him a fishing rod and he can feed his family everyday.

So I think it is not just education instead you must teach children strategies to think and learn.

That's one of the things I admire about many Jewish households they are always arguing/discussing issues because the answer is always NO until you can justify the YES.

Cheers
and peace be with you too

 

[outhouse]

So I think it is not just education instead you must teach children strategies to think and learn.



Cheers
and peace be with you too

Agree whole hearted.


And thank you.

 

[icehorse]

Tiapan said:

So I think it is not just education instead you must teach children strategies to think and learn.

Exactly!!! Strategies for thinking and learning are what modern education is all about!