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[stevecanuck]

Slovakia for one.

Yes, Slovakia does not allow the building of mosques. In Quebec, public employees can't wear religious symbols. Most think this is aimed at banning hijabs. They're probably right about that. Those points support your contention.

Now, let's look at how a couple of Muslim countries treat their religious minorities. Are you familiar with Asia Bibi? The Islamic Hell Hole of Pakistan put her on death row for eight years for allegedly saying, "At least my Jesus died for me. What did your Mohamed ever do for you?" Yup, for that she must die. The conviction was eventually overturned, so much to the chagrin of many followers of the Religion of Peace, she still breathes. She had to be spirited away to another country to live under an assumed name because an Islamic mob would surely kill her if she stayed in Pakistan.

In Saudi Arabia a Muslim who wishes to convert to another religion is given three days to recant before being executed.

Tell you what - when a Muslim is sentenced to death in a Western democracy for nothing more than speaking up for Islam, get back to us.

 

[stevecanuck]

And don't you think that an all powerfull, all knowing being like Allah would be able to distinguish such pretenders from sincere folks?

You've highlighted a glaring inconsistency in the Qur'an. While there are many verses that claim Allah tests people to see who is true in faith, there others that say "Allah knows what is in every heart". That's just one of many indications that the Qur'an was authored by a mere mortal who needed it to say what he needed it to say, and when he needed it to be said.

 

[ppp]

True..
Those that despise others promote hatred, and I see that satan depises religious people.

Satan only despises the religious people who are better than he is at his chosen vocation.

 

[Audie]

You've highlighted a glaring inconsistency in the Qur'an. While there are many verses that claim Allah tests people to see who is true in faith, there others that say "Allah knows what is in every heart". That's just one of many indications that the Qur'an was authored by a mere mortal who needed it to say what he needed it to say, and when he needed it to be said.

The quaint notions of science be another.

 

[Audie]

Yep, I understand. On the other hand, the earth has trees. If you want to get more detailed, sure - every tree is different. But does Mars have trees? Lions? Tigers, lolol! ? Sometimes I wonder -- boy oh boy -- about how people think. But thanks anyway for saying!

Terrif. You finally figured it out that
unique aint special. Ah, right?
You did?

 

[YoursTrue]

Terrif. You finally figured it out that
unique aint special. Ah, right?
You did?

Ah aw you didn't get the point. Bye. Oh wait! Maybe you did...anyway have a real good night.

 

[Audie]

Ah aw you didn't get the point. Bye. Oh wait! Maybe you did...anyway have a real good night.

You didn't got anything right

Its morning here.

 

[England my lionheart]

Luckily we all have a choice.

Regards Tony

That’s great you don’t have slaves that “your right hand possesses” but it’s still in the book and many Hadith and ahadith set a precedent for others to follow.

Unluckily for people living in the cradle of Islam there are precedents for the following too.

Criminal law punishments in Saudi Arabia include public beheading, stoning, amputation and lashing. Serious criminal offences include not only internationally recognized crimes such as murder, rape, theft and robbery, but also apostasy, adultery, witchcraft and sorcery.

 

[icehorse]

On the contrary, it is not at all problematic for the billions of believers.

As a start, it's pretty clear from the two maps below, that Islam is an issue for about a billion women:

[GALLERY=media, 7647]Secure-v7 by icehorse posted Aug 27, 2016 at 9:14 AM[/GALLERY]

 

[icehorse]

Islam teaches us that everyone came from Adam. Allah tells us in the Quran that we were made into nations and tribes so that we get to know one another. So I don't know why you think it promotes tribalism.

Islam also teaches that there are some categories of non-Muslims that Muslims must not trust or befriend.

 

[muhammad_isa]

As a start, it's pretty clear from the two maps below, that Islam is an issue for about a billion women:

[GALLERY=media, 7647]Secure-v7 by icehorse posted Aug 27, 2016 at 9:14 AM[/GALLERY]

What are these statistics supposed to prove?

If Muslim women aren't happy with their religion, I would suggest they change it.
The same goes for men.

As far as I'm aware, most Muslims are happy with their religion.
It is a sign that something is drastically wrong, if men want to be women, and women want to be men.

 

[icehorse]

If Muslim women aren't happy with their religion, I would suggest they change it.

Read the maps! As a general rule, the LEAST SAFE place to be a woman is in a Muslim majority country. It is not safe for women there to try to change the religion, doh!

 

[muhammad_isa]

As a general rule, the LEAST SAFE place to be a woman is in a Muslim majority country. It is not safe for women there to try to change the religion, doh!

Why isn't it safe?
..because of war and poverty, you mean?

Why would they want to change their religion?
Is there something wrong with their men?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That’s great you don’t have slaves that “your right hand possesses” but it’s still in the book and many Hadith and ahadith set a precedent for others to follow.

Unluckily for people living in the cradle of Islam there are precedents for the following too.

Criminal law punishments in Saudi Arabia include public beheading, stoning, amputation and lashing. Serious criminal offences include not only internationally recognized crimes such as murder, rape, theft and robbery, but also apostasy, adultery, witchcraft and sorcery.

It has been removed from the book.

Those that practice the crimes you have mentioned are criminals, slaves of their own passions and not submitting to Allah, they are not people of the book.

Regards Tony

 

[England my lionheart]

It has been removed from the book.

Those that practice the crimes you have mentioned are criminals, slaves of their own passions and not submitting to Allah, they are not people of the book.

Regards Tony

Just a reminder,you can find yourself in chop chop square for doing the lottery in some places,you cannot abrogate or remove anything from the book because you dislike it according to many,I don’t think cherrypicking is allowed for the followers of Islam.

 

[danieldemol]

Hi @Come2thelight
In the Quran it says concerning fasting,
"seek what Allah hath ordained for you and eat and drink until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast till the night appears" 1

So my thoughts are as follows
Premise a)
An All knowing God would know it is not possible for humans to fast from sunrise to sunset in the polar regions

Premise b) The author of the Quran did not know that it is not possible for the humans to fast from sunrise to sunset in the polar regions and mandated sunrise to sunset fasting times.

conclusion: The author of the Quran was not receiving an infallible revelation from an All Knowing God.

In my opinion.

1 surah 2 v187 Yusuf Ali
Surah 2. Al-Baqara Translation by Yusuf Ali | Islamic Reference | Alim

 

[muhammad_isa]

Premise b) The author of the Quran did not know that it is not possible for the humans to fast from sunrise to sunset in the polar regions and mandated sunrise to sunset fasting times.

Are you a disgruntled polar bear?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Just a reminder,you can find yourself in chop chop square for doing the lottery in some places,you cannot abrogate or remove anything from the book because you dislike it according to many,I don’t think cherrypicking is allowed for the followers of Islam.

It was not me that removed it from the Book, that was Allah.

Regards Tony

 

[danieldemol]

Are you a disgruntled polar bear?

I'm afraid I do not see any relevance to your question.

In my opinion.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Hi @Come2thelight
In the Quran it says concerning fasting,
"seek what Allah hath ordained for you and eat and drink until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast till the night appears" 1

So my thoughts are as follows
Premise a)
An All knowing God would know it is not possible for humans to fast from sunrise to sunset in the polar regions

Premise b) The author of the Quran did not know that it is not possible for the humans to fast from sunrise to sunset in the polar regions and mandated sunrise to sunset fasting times.

conclusion: The author of the Quran was not receiving an infallible revelation from an All Knowing God.

In my opinion.

1 surah 2 v187 Yusuf Ali
Surah 2. Al-Baqara Translation by Yusuf Ali | Islamic Reference | Alim

The other option was that Allah knew no one in the polar regions was going to embrace this law, before Allah renewed it. Thus it was not applicable to them, as they had not embraced Islam.

Now that some people in the polar regions have embraced Allah, the law about fasting was renewed and now has the stipulation that the clock can be used and one can choose to fast from 6am to 6pm.

Regards Tony