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[Sheldon]

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..I'm talking about the hundreds and hundreds of times that non-believers are maligned in the book. From a cognitive science perspective, this extremely high repetition of the same message is now known to be an effective way to perform propaganda and brain washing. The Quran spends a LOT of time criticizing non-believers. This is simply not a path to peace and love.

What according to you IS a path to peace and love?

I assume it is some kind of man-made ideology.

Whataboutism...

 

[danieldemol]

The other option was that Allah knew no one in the polar regions was going to embrace this law, before Allah renewed it. Thus it was not applicable to them, as they had not embraced Islam.

a)This is a Baha'i perspective not a Muhammadan perspective.

b)Its wrong even from a Baha'i perspective because the Baha'i teachings state if i recall that even Moses was potentially a universal messenger, so if Muhammad was a universal Messenger then His law should have been practical for all people, yet it clearly wasn't as outlined in post#616.

In my opinion.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

a)This is a Baha'i perspective not a Muhammadan perspective.

b)Its wrong even from a Baha'i perspective because the Baha'i teachings state if i recall that even Moses was potentially a universal messenger, so if Muhammad was a universal Messenger then His law should have been practical for all people, yet it clearly wasn't as outlined in post#616.

In my opinion.

I hope all is well in your part of Australia Danieldemol.

Regards Tony

 

[muhammad_isa]

Now that some people in the polar regions have embraced Allah, the law about fasting was renewed and now has the stipulation that the clock can be used and one can choose to fast from 6am to 6pm.

Not really .. anybody in their right mind wouldn't live permanently in such a harsh environment.

It is not necessary to fast when one is a traveller.

 

[icehorse]

Why isn't it safe?
..because of war and poverty, you mean?

Why would they want to change their religion?
Is there something wrong with their men?

Just a wild stab here: Muslims' "perfect book" says it's okay to treat women badly : (

 

[muhammad_isa]

Just a wild stab here: Muslims' "perfect book" says it's okay to treat women badly : (

Muslim women don't think so.

 

[icehorse]

Muslim women don't think so.

You know the 500 or 600 million Muslim women in Asia, the ME, and Africa? They've all told you they're cool?

Ask Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

 

[Audie]

Muslim women don't think so.

As if you speak for them

 

[danieldemol]

Not really .. anybody in their right mind wouldn't live permanently in such a harsh environment.

The significant number of permanent dwellers in the polar regions would disagree with you that they aren't in their right minds.

In my opinion.

 

[Audie]

The significant number of permanent dwellers in the polar regions would disagree with you that they aren't in their right minds.

In my opinion.

Seems better than some stinkin' desert

 

[Aupmanyav]

Let Mr. Mohmmad_isa wear chador and niqab, lest women may have impure thoughts about him.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, Slovakia does not allow the building of mosques. In Quebec, public employees can't wear religious symbols. Most think this is aimed at banning hijabs. They're probably right about that. Those points support your contention.

Now, let's look at how a couple of Muslim countries treat their religious minorities. Are you familiar with Asia Bibi? The Islamic Hell Hole of Pakistan put her on death row for eight years for allegedly saying, "At least my Jesus died for me. What did your Mohamed ever do for you?" Yup, for that she must die. The conviction was eventually overturned, so much to the chagrin of many followers of the Religion of Peace, she still breathes. She had to be spirited away to another country to live under an assumed name because an Islamic mob would surely kill her if she stayed in Pakistan.

In Saudi Arabia a Muslim who wishes to convert to another religion is given three days to recant before being executed.

Tell you what - when a Muslim is sentenced to death in a Western democracy for nothing more than speaking up for Islam, get back to us.

Hi @Come2thelight any thoughts on this?

 

[YoursTrue]

Why isn't it safe?
..because of war and poverty, you mean?

Why would they want to change their religion?
Is there something wrong with their men?

I am taken aback by your answer. If you don't understand all I can say is have a good evening. Somehow I think there's a bit more to it for women as some have outlined here. I was reading that in one country women are forbidden from driving so a male child even a 22 year old does the driving. For a woman to change her religion in a strictly Islamic country is life threatening.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I was reading that in one country women are forbidden from driving..

Ohh .. that's terrible, isn't it?
I suppose we need more cars on the road to solve climate-change.

"they paved paradise, and put up a parking lot"

 

[danieldemol]

Ohh .. that's terrible, isn't it?

Yes it is, I sure hope you dont need to drive yourself somewhere one day and have your privilege removed due to someone's arbitrary religious bigotry.

I suppose we need more cars on the road to solve climate-change.

Women still need to drive as often as men do, the only difference is you would put an extra car on the road from the length of the taxi driver's house to the women who needs to be picked up who could have driven herself.

But your apathy and indifference to the empowerment of women as a Muslim is noted.

In my opinion.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..your apathy and indifference to the empowerment of women as a Muslim is noted.

..and your attitude towards other nations that you don't understand is noted.
The idea that the world should all fit your "model" is not helping climate-change, you know.

If "heaven" is like modern western cities, I'd rather not be there.
..and if that is the case for most people, then why create such places at all?

It is our idea of what is "good" that creates the environment that we have to live in.

The trouble with the western capitalist system is, "life is great", as long as the underprivileged have to bear all its disadvantages .. and not you.

 

[Sheldon]

..and your attitude towards other nations that you don't understand is noted.
The idea that the world should all fit your "model" is not helping climate-change, you know.

If "heaven" is like modern western cities, I'd rather not be there.
..and if that is the case for most people, then why create such places at all?

It is our idea of what is "good" that creates the environment that we have to live in.

The trouble with the western capitalist system is, "life is great", as long as the underprivileged have to bear all its disadvantages .. and not you.

Western democracies have of course many failings, but the that subjugating women is a better one is absurd. Not as absurd as you implying Saud Arabia stop women driving to protect the environment, that one still has me clutching my belly and laughing with my feet in the air.

 

[Audie]

Ohh .. that's terrible, isn't it?
I suppose we need more cars on the road to solve climate-change.

"they paved paradise, and put up a parking lot"

Thin excuse for the inexcusable.

 

[Audie]

Western democracies have of course many failings, but the that subjugating women is a better one is absurd. Not as absurd as you implying Saud Arabia stop women driving to protect the environment, that one still has me clutching my belly and laughing with my feet in the air.

If it were funny.
It does though give a chilling insight
into the mind of the Islamic male.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Not as absurd as you implying Saud Arabia stop women driving to protect the environment..

I never said anything of the sort.
The world is changing fast, and not always for the better.

Haven't you heard?
Saudia Arabia's govt. no longer opposes women driving, along with many other restrictions.
..so called progress cannot be stopped.
I am fully aware of the nature of human beings.
After all, I am a human myself.

This continual attack on the role of men and women in society is all according to satan's plan. He wants us to hate each other.
He wants an increase in violence and he is winning, no doubt.

However, those with knowledge know that satan's gains are purely temporary.
How can evil win against the Creator of all? Impossible.
..naturally, if G-d didn't exist, evil would have triumphed long ago.
There would be no believers. Hitler and his like would rule the world.