My first post

[Audie]

I never said anything of the sort.
The world is changing fast, and not always for the better.

Haven't you heard?
Saudia Arabia's govt. no longer opposes women driving, along with many other restrictions.
..so called progress cannot be stopped.
I am fully aware of the nature of human beings.
After all, I am a human myself.

This continual attack on the role of men and women in society is all according to satan's plan. He wants us to hate each other.
He wants an increase in violence and he is winning, no doubt.

However, those with knowledge know that satan's gains are purely temporary.
How can evil win against the Creator of all? Impossible.
..naturally, if G-d didn't exist, evil would have triumphed long ago.
There would be no believers. Hitler and his like would rule the world.

"Fully aware" and swallowing some ideology
are not reoktely the same.

 

[Sheldon]

Thin excuse for the inexcusable.

You have to admit his claim that Saud Arabia stops women from driving to help prevent climate change is pretty hilarious. He clearly has neither the integrity to accept the truth, nor the decency to admit that women are and have been subjugated in many Muslim countries. That kind of blind loyalty though, that ignores immorality of that sort, merely reinforces to me that like all other man made religions, Islam is the fallible work of human authors.

 

[Sheldon]

Not as absurd as you implying Saud Arabia stop women driving to protect the environment,

I never said anything of the sort.

Oh yes you certainly did...

in one country women are forbidden from driving

Ohh .. that's terrible, isn't it?
I suppose we need more cars on the road to solve climate-change.

Dear oh dear...

 

[Audie]

You have to admit his claim that Saud Arabia stops women from driving to help prevent climate change is pretty hilarious. He clearly has neither the integrity to accept the truth, nor the decency to admit that women are and have been subjugated in many Muslim countries. That kind of blind loyalty though, that ignores immorality of that sort, merely reinforces to me that like all other man made religions, Islam is the fallible work of human authors.

Its a tough ideology to unswallow,
few have the capacity.
I -almost- feel sorry for them.

Like i almost feel sorry for the
close equivalent, thr Red Guard
of yesteryear.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I -almost- feel sorry for them.

I can assure you that there is no need.

Diversionary tactics away from the central issue of usury and climate-change noted.

 

[Audie]

I can assure you that there is no need.

Diversionary tactics away from the central issue of usury and climate-change noted.

Oh, I dont feel sorry for you, very much the opposite.

We certainly noted your climste change diversion from decent treatment of women.

Keep it up, discredit your religion all you
like.

 

[muhammad_isa]

We certainly noted your climste change diversion from decent treatment of women.

No. That is just a tactic of satan.
satan and those that follower him, want to make it all about sex equality etc.

The original post bringing it up..

I was reading that in one country women are forbidden from driving so a male child even a 22 year old does the driving. For a woman to change her religion in a strictly Islamic country is life threatening.

Of course, this proves that Islam is a bad religion .. yes?
Of course it doesn't. What is right for one nation is not right for another.

I would rather live without women, than be surrounded by feminists.

 

[YoursTrue]

I can assure you that there is no need.

Diversionary tactics away from the central issue of usury and climate-change noted.

Now that you mention usury and greed, I'm thinking of the powers that be with the oil interests. My oh my.

 

[YoursTrue]

No. That is just a tactic of satan.
satan and those that follower him, want to make it all about sex equality etc.

The original post bringing it up..


Of course, this proves that Islam is a bad religion .. yes?
Of course it doesn't. What is right for one nation is not right for another.

I would rather live without women, than be surrounded by feminists.

It proves there are laws in some countries that are more than discriminatory. Now why is it that women in some countries were not "allowed" to drive, but their young boys can drive? Hmm? Religion and laws and rules are a big mess all over. I'm female, but not a feminist. I'm realistic. And perhaps you would be better off without women commanded by legal decree in some countries to cover their faces. Maybe even when having pictures taken for licenses? No, kind ssir, I'm not a feminist. Just realistic. Yes, maybe men too should cover their faces?? Why not? But thank you for revealing yourself in defense of yoiur "beliefs." As if it's a good decree that banned women from driving in Saudi Arabia until 2014. Well things are interesting, are they not, and they're going to get more interesting as time marches on. That by decree from above... Right?

 

[Sheldon]

Of course, this proves that Islam is a bad religion .. yes?

No, That's a false dichotomy fallacy, and ironically being used to deflect.

Of course it doesn't.

Because it was your straw man. using the same kind of facile reasoning you do with your "usury is either evil or good" rationale.

What is right for one nation is not right for another.

We were talking about the egregious denial of women's rights, that has not to do with geography. It's just that men who have power over women don't want to give it up, quelle surprise.

I would rather live without women, than be surrounded by feminists.

A feeling I am sure most women who read that, would be happy to reciprocate.

 

[Sheldon]

Now that you mention usury and greed, I'm thinking of the powers that be with the oil interests. My oh my.

Oh his prejudice here prefers to focus on the accidental geography of people's birthplace. An oddly ironic bias, given this coincidence is so often ignored by theists, when it comes to religious beliefs so often being determined by the accident of people's geographical birthplace.

 

[YoursTrue]

No. That is just a tactic of satan.
satan and those that follower him, want to make it all about sex equality etc.

The original post bringing it up..


Of course, this proves that Islam is a bad religion .. yes?
Of course it doesn't. What is right for one nation is not right for another.

I would rather live without women, than be surrounded by feminists.

I have been looking at some views and I want to thank you for expressing yourself. It's interesting as I read some parts of the Qu'ran and also see how some analyze it. Also about Jesus' death. But thanks. And hope things go well for you. Yup, have a nice day, glad I can drive without too many sanctions, I work on obeying the speed limit, watching cars passing, and putting my seat belt on. (Have a great day.) Don't want a fight, so forgive me if I don't keep answering you about my views re: your views.

 

[YoursTrue]

Oh his prejudice here prefers to focus on the accidental geography of people's birthplace. An oddly ironic bias, given this coincidence is so often ignored by theists, when it comes to religious beliefs so often being determined by the accident of people's geographical birthplace.

Wonderful post, thanks. Yes, I agree.

 

[YoursTrue]

My mistake. It was not 2014 when women were 'allowed' to legally drive. It was 2018. in Saudi Arabia. We don't hear too much about these things in the U.S. too often but sometimes there are reports. No wonder some reporters are in danger, a growing problem in the world. But! time mioves on and I believe God is going to straighten it all out.
"Until June 2018, Saudi Arabia was the only country in the world in which women were forbidden from driving motor vehicles" (wikipedia)

 

[muhammad_isa]

..why is it that women in some countries were not "allowed" to drive..

It was cultural. It stems from a time when it was dangerous for a women to be alone in the desert.
I visited Yemen not long ago, and many of the men still wore daggers.
[like cowboys wore guns]

Yes, maybe men too should cover their faces??

..another cultural issue.
You seem to be good at mixing up culture with religion.
In fact, the Qur'an expressly forbids women to wear face coverings when on pilgrimage.
This implies that Arab ladies wore veils before the advent of Muhammad SAW

 

[muhammad_isa]

..glad I can drive without too many sanctions, I work on obeying the speed limit, watching cars passing, and putting my seat belt on..

I don't drive any more.
My daughters drive me to places occasionally.

 

[muhammad_isa]

A feeling I am sure most women who read that, would be happy to reciprocate.

I doubt it.
..even if they do, it's their loss.

 

[ppp]

You seem to be good at mixing up culture with religion.

Religion is part of the culture. The incidents cited by @YoursTrue were justified on a religious basis. So no, the religion and culture come premixed.

 

[Audie]

No. That is just a tactic of satan.
satan and those that follower him, want to make it all about sex equality etc.

The original post bringing it up..


Of course, this proves that Islam is a bad religion .. yes?
Of course it doesn't. What is right for one nation is not right for another.

I would rather live without women, than be surrounded by feminists.

Ridiculous . Its far from only or mainly
about women. Theres far worse things about
"Islam".

Re treatment of women, tho
We notice of course you are trying now the
shabby and despicable trick of trying to to
the fault around ( even bringing in alliance with
"Satan") onto those who point out the evil
in your ideology are.

We are not impressed, or fooled

 

[muhammad_isa]

The incidents cited by @YoursTrue were justified on a religious basis..

Nope. That is not correct.

Did cowboys wear guns for religious reasons?