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YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It was cultural. It stems from a time when it was dangerous for a women to be alone in the desert.
I visited Yemen not long ago, and many of the men still wore daggers.
[like cowboys wore guns]


..another cultural issue.
You seem to be good at mixing up culture with religion.
In fact, the Qur'an expressly forbids women to wear face coverings when on pilgrimage.
This implies that Arab ladies wore veils before the advent of Muhammad SAW
Ok I was doing a little research on this. And from what I read, "The garment has different legal and cultural status in various countries. In the Indonesian Aceh province, Muslim women are required to wear the hijab and all women are required to do so in Iran and Afghanistan." Wikipedia. Allow me to be honest and not partisan. I believe men and women are to be modest. Even though Adam and Eve were naked for a while as adults. Not sure if the Qu'ran addresses that. I don't like to see men or women immodestly dressed. I agree that head coverings were worn by women in the past to show modesty.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I wouldn't expect you to be.
The feminist agenda is not part of Islam.

Muslim men acknowledge this, and so do Muslim women.
Good Muslim women want to marry a good Muslim man.
etc.
Nobody really wants to be beaten up and lied to
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Satan prevents women culturally from driving? Or did?
Of course not.
I was referring to all this modern political correctness.

There will be more men and women who will go to heaven from amongst our ancestors.
Very few comparatively, are heading in that direction these days.
The whole world is becoming obsessed with the material, and losing their faith.

Women are going to find it hard to find a husband before long.
satan will have his way. The only jobs that will be available to them will be soldiers who get killed .. so much so, that there won't be many men left.
Hell will also be filled with more women than men. Sad but true. :(
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
So a good woman might hope to marry a bad man? Lol ok. (I don't think so. But if you do, who knows, maybe it's true. Right?)
A good woman might hope to marry a good woman, or a good enby. Or might hope to not marry at all.

There is a whole world of your fellow human beings out there.:)
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
We have a ring-side seat to that very thing. First Europe, then the rest of the world. I honestly believe that the world will be entirely ruled by a set of 6th century values in under 200 years. Either that, or there will be one hell of a war to prevent that from happening.
I live in the US. I fear the Christian terrorists who prefer a 3rd century life that they only think they know about.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Let's take Hinduism for example. A religion where the practice of multiple gods is widely accepted. Yet the Bhagavad Gita (one of their most sacred texts) we can find a core monotheistic message. For example,

Chapter 7:16-25 states;

O best amongst the Bharatas, four kinds of pious people engage in my devotion—the distressed, the seekers after knowledge, the seekers of worldly possessions, and those who are situated in knowledge.

Amongst these, I consider them to be the highest, who worship me with knowledge and are steadfastly and exclusively devoted to me. I am very dear to them and they are dear to me.

Indeed, all those who are devoted to me are indeed noble. But those in knowledge, who are of a steadfast mind, whose intellect is merged in me, and who have made me alone as their supreme goal, I consider as my very self.

After many births of spiritual practice, one who is endowed with knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be all that is. Such a great soul is indeed very rare.

Those whose knowledge has been carried away by material desires surrender to the celestial gods. Following their own nature, they worship the devatās, practicing rituals meant to propitiate these celestial personalities.

Whatever celestial form a devotee seeks to worship with faith, I steady the faith of such a devotee in that form.
Endowed with faith, the devotee worships a particular celestial god and obtains the objects of desire. But in reality, I alone arrange these benefits.

But the fruit gained by these people of little understanding is perishable. Those who worship the celestial gods go to the celestial abodes, while My devotees come to Me.

The less intelligent think that I, the Supreme Lord Shree Krishna, was formless earlier and have now assumed this personality. They do not understand the imperishable exalted nature of my personal form.

I am not manifest to everyone, being veiled by my divine Yogmaya energy. Hence, those without knowledge do not know that I am without birth and changeless.

Monotheism. Clear as day
You realize Krishna knew the other Gods on a personal basis, right? Henotheism is at best what He is describing.
 

stevecanuck

Well-Known Member
Just a wild stab here: Muslims' "perfect book" says it's okay to treat women badly : (

You have to understand that beating a disobedient woman is an act of kindness. It she were to continue unchecked in her sin of not obeying the man in charge of her, she would not be admitted to heaven. Let's call it 'tough love', and praise the man for getting her back in Allah's good graces rather than condemn him.
 

stevecanuck

Well-Known Member
You have to admit his claim that Saud Arabia stops women from driving to help prevent climate change is pretty hilarious. He clearly has neither the integrity to accept the truth, nor the decency to admit that women are and have been subjugated in many Muslim countries. That kind of blind loyalty though, that ignores immorality of that sort, merely reinforces to me that like all other man made religions, Islam is the fallible work of human authors.

They don't see it as subjugation; rather obedience to Allah's dictate in verse 4:34 that men are in charge of women because of their innate superiority. It's as much a part of Islam as not eating pork.
 

stevecanuck

Well-Known Member
.... And perhaps you would be better off without women commanded by legal decree in some countries to cover their faces. Maybe even when having pictures taken for licenses? .....

Sidebar. When I lived in Egypt I was getting my license when a fully covered Muslim women came in for hers. She had to uncover her face for the picture.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Yes, if there is a good reason for it .. but not with temper.
However, if one finds a need to continually admonish their wives in this way, they should not have sexual relations with them and should seek divorce, unless their wives are sorry and don't want a divorce.

Ermmmm it’s still going to hurt physically and psychologically isn’t it?.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
You have to understand that beating a disobedient woman is an act of kindness. It she were to continue unchecked in her sin of not obeying the man in charge of her, she would not be admitted to heaven. Let's call it 'tough love', and praise the man for getting her back in Allah's good graces rather than condemn him.

yup :(
 
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