Come2thelight
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“When did Allah say this Hadith is weak?”
Maybe you aren’t aware of the Hadith grading system. Please look up hadith sciences and methodology. Or feel free to see this video and see how we see if a hadith is reliable or not.
“Oh, so, King David was not a Prophet and one of the 12 leaders?”
What makes you say he was one of the 12 leaders during the time of Moses? The leaders were decided when they were first in the wilderness, then each leader took hold of their house, and then each tribe got a separate spring for them. David wasn’t even alive during this time. Your history is all messed up.
“Hadithes in sunni collections says, lifespan of Muslims is 1000 years. Quran, as it also makes an allusion to a 1000 years period, and then end comes!”
What do these statements even mean? And for the record, if you aren’t going to provide a reference, then the point is null.
“And if they believe in God and a Judgement Day and have this concept of getting caught then god cannot ever know if they're truly moral individuals, because they'd not doing wrong out of fear, not because it's simply the right thing to do.”
Fear isn’t always the reason a person stops doing something. They could have a change of heart and feel bad because they saw an old person walking into the store they are about to rob. (for example). There are numerous variables that can come into play when it comes to a person changing their minds. Allah knows all and can hear our deepest thoughts, so clearly, He can know our intentions.
“Al bidaya wal niyaha”
You know that Ibn Kathir doesn’t always go for the sahih hadiths right? Secondly, what you showed is that this was what Ibn Abbas said and not what the Prophet said.
“Hadith about 12 Imams”
The interesting thing about the hadith you shared, he says that Islam will be triumphant with the caliphs but funnily enough the majority of these Imams were in hiding. Even their awaited 12th Imam is supposedly hiding. So where’s the triumph? Plus, he said they are from Quraysh which could mean any of the houses and not just Banu Hashim.
“"And those who misbelieve say, 'Thou art not sent!' Say, 'God is witness enough between me and you; and so is he who has the knowledge of the Book!" 13:43”
The above translation is incorrect and you even highlighted the part. God is a witness between me and you and whoever has knowledge of the Book. This is what the Arabic says.
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran
“When did Allah say this Hadith is weak?”
Maybe you aren’t aware of the Hadith grading system. Please look up hadith sciences and methodology. Or feel free to see this video and see how we see if a hadith is reliable or not.
“Oh, so, King David was not a Prophet and one of the 12 leaders?”
What makes you say he was one of the 12 leaders during the time of Moses? The leaders were decided when they were first in the wilderness, then each leader took hold of their house, and then each tribe got a separate spring for them. David wasn’t even alive during this time. Your history is all messed up.
“Hadithes in sunni collections says, lifespan of Muslims is 1000 years. Quran, as it also makes an allusion to a 1000 years period, and then end comes!”
What do these statements even mean? And for the record, if you aren’t going to provide a reference, then the point is null.
“And if they believe in God and a Judgement Day and have this concept of getting caught then god cannot ever know if they're truly moral individuals, because they'd not doing wrong out of fear, not because it's simply the right thing to do.”
Fear isn’t always the reason a person stops doing something. They could have a change of heart and feel bad because they saw an old person walking into the store they are about to rob. (for example). There are numerous variables that can come into play when it comes to a person changing their minds. Allah knows all and can hear our deepest thoughts, so clearly, He can know our intentions.
“Al bidaya wal niyaha”
You know that Ibn Kathir doesn’t always go for the sahih hadiths right? Secondly, what you showed is that this was what Ibn Abbas said and not what the Prophet said.
“Hadith about 12 Imams”
The interesting thing about the hadith you shared, he says that Islam will be triumphant with the caliphs but funnily enough the majority of these Imams were in hiding. Even their awaited 12th Imam is supposedly hiding. So where’s the triumph? Plus, he said they are from Quraysh which could mean any of the houses and not just Banu Hashim.
“"And those who misbelieve say, 'Thou art not sent!' Say, 'God is witness enough between me and you; and so is he who has the knowledge of the Book!" 13:43”
The above translation is incorrect and you even highlighted the part. God is a witness between me and you and whoever has knowledge of the Book. This is what the Arabic says.
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran
