My GOD will MURDER and DESTROY you! Care to convert? (for your own safety, of course)

[ppp]

I’m not comparing God to objects. I’m using analogies of dangerous “situations”. I believe the warnings in the Bible are provided to warn humans of danger and believe it’s best to heed.

Then use analogies to dangerous situations where the danger is from the reactions of a self-aware thinking agent with the ability to think or self-reflect on its own actions.

 

[InChrist]

But I think the rub comes in with when and where thus "warning out of love" comes in, as well as the implication behind it. ie. Would you scream "don't touch that hot stove" at your child while they're wading in the ripples at the beach?
That's totally inappropriate. Would you firmly, but calmly say "Don't touch that hot stove" when your child leaves the livingroom where the family is sitting? Maybe they're going to the bathroom. So also inappropriate.

So you see, people don't want to hear warnings about the wrath of God if they don't believe, or maybe they do, but they know they're not in danger. Both are inappropriate.

Certainly, it’s inappropriate to give warnings which are not applicable.
I don’t spend my time giving warnings to non-believers about what happens in an eternity apart from God. Obviously, they aren’t interested and are likely hostile. In these few posts here I'm’ just presenting my perspective concerning how I see the passages in the Bible about hell, eternal separation, wrath of God… whatever term you want to use.

 

[InChrist]

Then use analogies to dangerous situations where the danger is from the reactions of a self-aware thinking agent with the ability to think or self-reflect on its own actions.

You can give some examples, if you like, because I don’t know what you mean.

 

[ppp]

You can give some examples, if you like, because I don’t know what you mean.

You do not know what self aware means? I feel like you are yanking my chain.

 

[ppp]

You can give some examples, if you like, because I don’t know what you mean.

Self-aware:​

Self-awareness refers to the ability of an individual, organism, or system to recognize itself as a distinct entity with its own thoughts, feelings, and existence. In humans, this includes the recognition of one’s own mental and emotional states, behaviors, and the awareness of how one is perceived by others. Self-aware entities can reflect on their own thoughts and actions, make judgments about their internal states, and anticipate future scenarios based on this understanding.

Thinking agent:​

A thinking agent is a system, organism, or entity that has the capacity to process information, reason, make decisions, and solve problems based on its inputs and experiences. Thinking agents exhibit autonomy in their decision-making processes, applying logic, memory, and sometimes learning to act in an environment toward a goal or objective.

 

[InChrist]

You do not know what self aware means? I feel like you are yanking my chain.

I’m not pulling your chain. I know what self-awareness is. What I don’t know is what kind of examples you want relative to dangerous situations. So give an example, if you like.
I believe the warning in the Bible concerning the danger of an eternity apart from God the Creator are given because people are not aware of how terrible such a state will be.

 

[ppp]

I’m not pulling your chain. I know what self-awareness is. What I don’t know is what kind of examples you want relative to dangerous situations.

Stop using analogies where the danger is from a dumb object that is without agency or self-awareness.

 

[sayak83]

They aren't being murdered, they are receiving the wages of sin= death. Thanks to 1 bad decision by our first human parents it brought that upon all. Even the righteous receive those wages for their sin. The resurrected will get a 2nd chance to learn and apply Gods will with no satan influence. But then he will be loosed for a little while to test their faith. How loving and merciful God is to do that for the resurrected.

How this above makes sense to anybody is something I could never understand.

 

[idea]

Christians don't have to do anything, except for preach and pray, believe and have faith and know the blessing and gift of God. Hebrews 4 - Hebrews 12

I even wrote a song about it.


“Still the Life For Me”


They never said it would be easy.
I was taught contrary to that way ...
A life of trial and tribulation awaited me
with principalities to be set against.

I knew the life to be walked into
when asked if I had counted the cost.
Into a death I sank beneath the water
to rise again from the grave.

They never said it would be easy
and I never said I wasn't free
They never said they never struggled
and I wonder what's to become of me.

It's only by grace, I hear
It's only by faith, I hear
It's only by love, I hear
They tell me not to fear (but it ain't easy).

I've been barely hanging on,
but I'll keep moving on.
Sometimes I'm feeling strong,
and sometimes I feel alone.

I sometimes wonder if Gods still with me.
I sometimes wonder what's yet to be.
I sometimes wonder if I'll make it through
and the truth is I don't know.

So, It's only by grace, I fear
It's only by faith, I fear
It's only by love, I hear
and it ain't easy.

Life keeps a grip on me
through the trial and suffering.
My doubts could be the end of me,
but I'll keep moving on.

I've been living hard but strong.
I've been feeling that its been too long,
and it dawns on me
that I'm learning to be a better man.

There's much that works against me.
Life has never been easy,
and they say it's getting worse,
so I wonder ...

It's only by grace, I hear
It's only by faith, I fear
It's only through love, I hear
for a narrow save by grace.

Comfort given through faith (I fear)
Honor in truth I'm told
But love wanes in many my peer
and life hasn't been easy.

It's not the life I chose for me.
But it's still the one I chose.
It's not the life I wanted
but it may be the one I need …


but it ain't easy.



I wrote one for "her" too.


Breaking Eden

I guess maybe I've fallen
Yes, baby I've fallen
My hearts been breaking

I guess maybe I'm calling
Yes, baby I'm calling
Yeah, my hearts been breaking

I can't take anymore
I can't break anymore
My whole worlds on fire

and I keep breathing in
and I keep breathing out
and I can't take the way you break me.

I'm not standing on my own
I feel alone
and
I can't take anymore
I can't break anymore
My whole world's on fire

So, baby I'm calling
I guess maybe I'm calling
because my hearts been breaking...

I can't take anymore.

Yes, the saved by grace idea...

Only usually grace doesn't save anyone, work saves ppl.

You'll live in misery until you discover its up to you to work and make life better for yourself.

Christianity = victim mentality, codeoendent sadness.. wait for 'God's grace to save you. (Wait until you die) wait for others to save you... bad codependent relashionships...

Athiest = proactive entrepreneurs. Have to save yourself (no God to save you), self reliance, study, experiment, learn - don't wallow in suffering - pick yourself up, work!!! Typically leads to a better life better relashionships with everyone too.

 

[Eli G]

The fear of God is like the fear to the Law enforcement. If you are not a criminal, you have nothing to fear.

The Bible highlights God's justice. Those who love Him love this quality of Him, because it assures meek people that the day will come when NO ONE who harms others or the planet will continue to live when the earth comes to belong to the meek people to whom God will give it as an inheritance.

Good people love God's justice.

 

[ChristineM]

I used to be angry at God in my darkness and lack of knowledge. But he showed me truth.

Good for you. But if there is no god to be angry with what do you do with your anger. For me i accept it and push it behind me

 

[ChristineM]

Calling God a genocidal maniac makes that one angry at him.

There is no god to be angry with l, i am actually working from the bible, not a mythological dream.

 

[Balthazzar]

Yes, the saved by grace idea...

Only usually grace doesn't save anyone, work saves ppl.

You'll live in misery until you discover its up to you to work and make life better for yourself.

Christianity = victim mentality, codeoendent sadness.. wait for 'God's grace to save you. (Wait until you die) wait for others to save you... bad codependent relashionships...

Athiest = proactive entrepreneurs. Have to save yourself (no God to save you), self reliance, study, experiment, learn - don't wallow in suffering - pick yourself up, work!!! Typically leads to a better life better relashionships with everyone too.

I agree ... That's the works part associated with faith that makes faith functional. Without works, faith is dead. That's also a hope associated term. There's substance in it and evidence, which builds and develops real faith, not the dead kind that has no works. Grace? We get through it and sometimes against the odds. Other times we don't get through it and that's part of life, too. This is also part of Christian life. We work, we have faith, we live our lives according to certain principles and premises, and we still don't know for certain how things will turn out. We simply acknowledge that it's not entirely up to us, that there's a much larger will at play than our own. Look a t Jesus... he was treated unjustly despite all his good works. It can be fearful. something you deny us. It can be disheartening. Something else you deny us. It can be rewarding, but that reward isn't expected in disobedience, which again ... you deny us in your misunderstanding about what it means to be Christian. No, you see us as you want to see us...not as we are. That's your choice and your active work association with us. Better relationships? Mirrors are nice sometimes, other times they're about as good as grasping hot coals.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Calling God a genocidal maniac makes that one angry at him.

And you know this because it makes you angry, and your God gets mad at the same things that you do.

 

[wellwisher]

My GOD will MURDER MAIM DESTROY HURT TORTURE (and) BURN you FOREVER (if you don’t convert)! Care to convert? It’s the only way you’ll be okay.

It’s a heck of a pick up line. This past week it’s been tried a couple times on me here at RF, albeit less dramatically. It didn’t work though, surprisingly enough.

I think I’ll be alright. I put enough hours in as a Christian, so if the big fella is real after all he just gotta look at my childhood when I was a groupie for him. But hell and a vengeful Jehovah ain’t real. And even if they are real, I don’t believe it so your threats are akin to a fly buzzing annoyingly around me.

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:
Stop threatening people with hell and god’s wrath. It’s a huge turn off. Please.

The problem "you", in a collective sense, have, is connected to revisionist history. Back when the Bible was written, there were few social mops to clean up after unnatural behavior. If people engaged in those "sins", a natural cause and effect, would become their hell. For example, say there were no medicines or contraceptives for STD's, which was the rule in ancient times. If you engaged in taboo sexual behavior, your risk of STD's would go up, at a time when there was no cure. Once you got any of a number of diseases, you became a hurting unit; hell on earth. BURN you FOREVER.

Many of the ancient rules; sins, were common sense warnings, due to long term empirical observations of the many hardship humans would face, as a function of unnatural behavior; before they had science mops to obscure these facts.

Today, we have science mops, that can deal with the downside of unnatural behavior. Just because these modern mops can cure the symptoms does not mean it is no longer unnatural behavior. The disease may go away, but your behavior is still having an impact on the unconscious mind; perverting natural instinct. That is the long term hell.

We should run a social experiment where we stop all modern medicines for STD's. Nothing for AID's, etc. We will let nature take its course and allow all the Liberal preached combinations, that they sell as natural, or the same as anything else. If what you do is natural, there is nothing to fear.

The modern science mops creates a false positive, so you can believe what you want to believe. But this still does not change the nature of the behavior that mop tries to hide; cover up the unnatural feedback symptoms.The mop can hide this from the conscious mind, but not the unconscious mind.

Religion is still about a holistic approach to health both physical and mental, all without the need of mops. There is a sweet spot. That is the best way to look at these taboos. Take away the mops and it makes more sense. It also seems quite proactive toward natural health; green and organic all with zero social costs. The US alone spends $trillions on mops, and all the mop industries and Government benefit by disinformation; jobs.

Breaking up the nuclear family is almost a $trillion dollar expenditure, due to the social mops needed for single women, children and elderly. The stable nuclear family can be self sustaining even for child and elderly care. Grandparent enjoy the grand children and can offer joyfully offer day care for free. Once that was broken and cost went up to pay for mops, it no longer works the same way. Mops are a simple litmus test. The natural animal species needs no mops.

 

[servant1]

Thanos committed genocide in Infinity War. Sauron committed genocide in Lord of the Rings. The Daleks committed genocide multiple times in Doctor Who. I would call them all genocidal maniacs. And yet, I am not angry at any of them. I doubt @ChristineM is either.

they are all fake. The true living God owns all of creation, He has 100% right to say what goes and what doesn't. It's too bad mortals don't like it. Who else handed them life for free or is offering eternal life to those that support him?

 

[ppp]

they are all fake.

I know. And I think that God is just as fake as Thanos, Daleks and Sauron. I know you disagree, but your opinion is irrelevant to my emotions. Do you understand that my emotions are not dictated by your beliefs?

 

[servant1]

How this above makes sense to anybody is something I could never understand.

Daniel 12:2-3( speaks of the resurrection)--Some will be made righteous)))= the unrighteous resurrected ones. The righteous are already righteous.

 

[servant1]

There is no god to be angry with l, i am actually working from the bible, not a mythological dream.

Their is 0 sense in your post.

 

[sayak83]

Daniel 12:2-3( speaks of the resurrection)--Some will be made righteous)))= the unrighteous resurrected ones. The righteous are already righteous.

I am saying that the theology you believe in does not make sense. How is quoting your religious book help here?