My views on homosexuality

[Storm]

Sorry, I don't get it. What's the point you're making?

Kissing doesn't make babies, either. Therefore, by your logic, it's unnatural and wrong.

 

[thebigpicture]

Kissing doesn't make babies, either. Therefore, by your logic, it's unnatural and wrong.

You're kidding right? You can't be serious. I'm sorry, but I can't even take that seriously.

 

[Storm]

You're kidding right? You can't be serious. I'm sorry, but I can't even take that seriously.

Are you? Because that's about where your logic is.

 

[thebigpicture]

Are you? Because that's about where your logic is.

No. What I wrote is pure logic. What you wrote, not so much. People are not designed to make babies through spit. I feel silly even having to write that point to you.

 

[Father Heathen]

The same thing that makes incest wrong. The same thing that makes bestiality wrong.

Cannibalism is wrong when it involves stealing a corpse or killing an innocent person to eat them, incest is wrong when it involves manipulating, exploiting and victimizing an innocent person (usually a child), and bestiality is wrong when it exploits and abuses an animal (which can't give consent).

They all produce victims, whereas homosexuality does not. So tell me again how homosexuality is even remotely comparable?

 

[Storm]

No. What I wrote is pure logic. What you wrote, not so much. People are not designed to make babies through spit. I feel silly even having to write that point to you.

So?

Either breeding is all that counts in sexual morality, or it isn't. So, is it?

 

[Otherright]

I think I'm missing your point. Let me try to string your logic here.

Its not natural because it doesn't produce babies. Its not natural so its wrong. What makes it wrong is the same thing that makes incest and bestiality wrong.

I have two questions:

1. If a father has sex with his daughter, is that more right than homosexuality because it can produce a baby, and by your definition is natural since it "plugs into the socket", as you put it earlier?

2. In your comparative, you equate it to incest and bestiality. Are you saying it is morally wrong then?

 

[Father Heathen]

No. What I wrote is pure logic.

And what would someone who actually uses the ancient mythologies and superstitions of primitive savages as a moral compass in the modern world know about logic? Not much I would wager.

 

[Many Sages One Truth]

I bet we're dealing with someone who would say that Sodom was God's justice on homosexuals, while Lot was called righteous even though he offered his daughters to be raped.

 

[Otherright]

Where did this guy go? I want an answer to my question.

 

[McBell]

Two questions:

1. Can a man have sex with another man and make a baby?
2. Can a woman have sex with another woman and make a baby?

When both these questions can be answered with the response, “Yes” -- then we can talk about homosexuality being “natural”.

A man’s body is made to connect to a female’s body and the reverse. It’s like a prong and an outlet. They obviously go together.

Wow.
You swallowed that load of bull **** hook, line, AND sinker....

 

[McBell]

Cannibalism and incest also occurs in the animal kingdom. Should we follow suit on that as well. Again...we are not animals. We are human beings.

Strawman.

No one said that homosexuality should be ok simply because animals engage in it.
What was actually said was that homosexuality is natural because animals engage in it.

Please pay attention.

 

[McBell]

Yes, it's wrong.

Based on what, exactly?

 

[McBell]

Okay and...

I made a point about what you'd written. You wrote that homosexuality was natural because it happens in the animal kingdom. So I responded...

Yes, but your response had nothing to do with what he wrote.

 

[thebigpicture]

Its not natural because it doesn't produce babies.

It’s not natural because it’s not what was intended. Men were not intended to sleep with men, nor women with women, which is why it is impossible for two men or two women to make a baby.

Its not natural so its wrong.

Just because something is not natural doesn’t make it wrong. For example, it’s not natural for human beings to fly. That doesn’t make paragliding wrong. What makes homosexuality wrong is that homosexuality can upset the entire balance of nature. It's the fact that something so unnatural can upset the balance of nature. It's the same with bestiality.

I have two questions:

1. If a father has sex with his daughter, is that more right than homosexuality because it can produce a baby, and by your definition is natural since it "plugs into the socket", as you put it earlier?

No, they are both wrong. Yes, it is natural for a man to have sex with a woman. But it is not natural for him to have sex with his own daughter. It’s like plugging a prong into the wrong socket. The voltage is not right, so to speak. We all know what can happen when the voltage is incorrect.

2. In your comparative, you equate it to incest and bestiality. Are you saying it is morally wrong then?

Yes, it is morally wrong.

So?

Either breeding is all that counts in sexual morality, or it isn't. So, is it?

I'm not sure I understand your question. But, if you are asking if the fact that you can't make a baby is all that makes homosexuality wrong, then the answer is no. If that were the case then there would be no heterosexual immorality. There is heterosexual immorality as well.

 

[thebigpicture]

And what would someone who actually uses the ancient mythologies and superstitions of primitive savages as a moral compass in the modern world know about logic? Not much I would wager.

What? Huh? Had to chuckle at that one.

 

[Otherright]

Can you explain to me what makes it morally wrong?

 

[Father Heathen]

Here is an old favorite of mine:

Dear Dr. Laura

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other
specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is,
how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don.t agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room
here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing
garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester
blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really
necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn.t we just burn them to
death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with
their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident
you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is
eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,
Jack

 

[McBell]

The same thing that makes incest wrong. The same thing that makes bestiality wrong.

And you STILL did not answer the question.

Why are you unable (or is it unwilling) to give a straight answer?

There is no shifting goalposts here.

I agree.
You did not shift the goal posts.
You created then attacked a strawman.

I made a point. Did not waiver. So that little accusation...not cutting it.

No, you merely made a claim and are now going to great lengths to avoid substantiating the claim you made.

It's comparable in the fact that they are both wrong.

Yet another bold claim with absolutely nothing to support it.
You are really good at that.

problem is that it just does not fly on this forum and you start losing credibility.

 

[McBell]

You're kidding right? You can't be serious. I'm sorry, but I can't even take that seriously.

So how do you expect anyone to take you seriously when your "argument" is just as ridiculous?