New Frubal?

[Heyo]

Isn't the 'optimistic' frubal the equivalent of a 'well-wishes' frubal?
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I've never seen it as such but now as you point it out ...
I've used the "friendly" frub to say "you are friendly" as well as to say "I am friendly (sympathetic)".
I can see how you use the "optimistic" in a similar way. "I am optimistic that your problem will be solved."

 

[Subduction Zone]

It does seem to water it down. It's like 'happy holidays' instead of 'merry Christmas'. I'm not a fan.

Due to the fact that it is very religious it needs to be watered down a bit. Including "well wishes" lowers the chance of people being accused of advocating doing nothing by nonreligious people. It does no harm to tell others that our thoughts are with them, but limiting it to "prayers" would mean that only one side would use it, and I do worry about it being abused in the "I will pray for you" in a debate statement way. Which of course gets the retaliation: "I will think for you".

So water it down just a bit please with the "well wishes".

 

[Subduction Zone]

Isn't the 'optimistic' frubal the equivalent of a 'well-wishes' frubal?
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It is quite often used ironically. Implying "You are being pretty optimistic in thinking that you will get him (or her) to be reasonable". It is also often used negatively just as the laughing one used to be used negatively until that was banned.

 

[sun rise]

If we want a religious symbol, this would be my choice

 

[Debater Slayer]

Prayer is pretty universal and if you have a problem with people praying for you that sounds like a you problem. This isn't 'secular forums' this is 'religious forums'. It seems kind of silly to object to a universal religious symbol.

I personally don't have a problem when others pray for me, but I know people who do, for reasons that seem to me valid in the context of their own perspective. I don't think it's a problem if someone objects to being prayed for as long as they do so respectfully; I just see that as their right to express their own preferences in line with their worldview.

Since the "well-wishes" part covers the sentiments of those who don't pray, I think the "Prayer/well-wishes" rating would be nice to add. I can see where some of the concerns about the proposed rating emoji (this one: ) are coming from, however, because if I clicked that rating, it could be ambiguous whether I meant "prayer" or "well-wishes" given that the emoji is an obvious and nearly universal symbol of prayer. I don't want to feel insincere by conveying a sentiment I don't believe in.

I can also see an easy way around the above, though: Just posting "Sending my best wishes" after using the rating, which would make my sentiment clear. It's not such a big deal to me that I would object to adding the rating due to it.

Furthermore, right now we don't have such a rating anyway, and in many cases, I use "Friendly" to express support. I could still do the same if I had a strong-enough issue with using the "Prayer/well-wishes" one, while members who believe in prayer could use the new one comfortably. That seems to me a win-win, so I voted yes to adding it. It would also add to a religious theme on the forum, which is, after all, the main focus of our debate and discussion topics and what distinguishes RF from most other forums.

Perhaps we could add both a "Prayer" rating and a "Well-wishes" one if need be, but I suspect that could get cumbersome and result in too many ratings, and the "Friendly" rating might become a bit redundant in many of its uses.

 

[Aupmanyav]

i would like a 'wish you well' fruball and also one for 'wtf'. otherwise we have to write many words for it.
a 'wtf' fruball will be short and comprehensive, will say all.

imho, a 'pray' fruball is ok for our friends who are religious, but keep it separate from 'wish you well', have both thr fruballs. no problem if there are more fruballs, we can reduce the size and have them in two rows.

 

[danieldemol]

Voted other, if it is a dichotomy of prayer and well wishes *and* we have to prioritise the religious sentiments of the Abrahamics and similar lets make it a prayer only frube so people don't get all delusional into thinking us well-wishers are all praying types.

But if it is not a dichotomy why not have both?

 

[exchemist]

Greetings RFians!

After receiving a suggestion for such, the staff have been considering adding a "prayers/well wishes" frubal. But, we wanted to get an idea about how the community felt about it.

We understand there are a lot of frubals already; there is an option in the poll for replacing the 'angry' frubal rather than just adding a new one.

Please let us know what you think!

What does "well wishes" mean? It's not an expression I know. Is it the same as "good wishes"? Or is it short for "I wish you well"? Or something else?

 

[exchemist]

i would like a 'wish you well' fruball and also one for 'wtf'. otherwise we have to write many words for it.
a 'wtf' fruball will be short and comprehensive, will say all.

imho, a 'pray' fruball is ok for our friends who are religious, but keep it separate from 'wish you well', have both thr fruballs. no problem if there are more fruballs, we can reduce the size and have them in two rows.

I must say a wtf frubal would be jolly useful. Though I suppose the sort of captures the idea.

 

[Heyo]

I must say a wtf frubal would be jolly useful. Though I suppose the sort of captures the idea.

Which is an emoji, not a frubal. If emojis were frubals we wouldn't have this discussion.

 

[exchemist]

Which is an emoji, not a frubal. If emojis were frubals we wouldn't have this discussion.

Fair point.

 

[Debater Slayer]

What does "well wishes" mean? It's not an expression I know. Is it the same as "good wishes"? Or is it short for "I wish you well"? Or something else?

Yes, it would just be intended as a variation of "best wishes," "good wishes," etc. (although I suppose that specific variant would be more colloquial).

We could just title the rating "Prayer/Best wishes." Either way, the idea is as you said: to use the rating to express prayer or good wishes toward someone.

 

[Secret Chief]

While we're at it, I'm more and more finding that in the North American Politics threads it would be very useful to have a "You are ******* ******** me" frubal. Although I confess I don't know what that would look like.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Isn't the 'optimistic' frubal the equivalent of a 'well-wishes' frubal?
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I don't use optimistic for "well-wishes." As of now, I use the "friendly" frubal for such sentiments.

 

[Rival]

I don't use optimistic for "well-wishes." As of now, I use the "friendly" frubal for such sentiments.

I use both for different situations, depending on the context.

 

[SalixIncendium]

If someone is suffering and expresses that suffering "optimistic" is negating the pain the person is feeling. I would not care if that one disappeared because I have not needed it.

I use it quite often, for instance, when someone is stuck on a teaching in their path or clings tightly to a belief that's a hinderance in their spiritual development, as a token of hope to learn and move past the barrier.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Well it is religious forums.....

I have never used the angry frube but some do, so replacing it would take their option away.

I may have used it once or twice as a joke, but it's not a rating I ever use because something here has made me angry. I think it would be more productive to use the "log out" link for that.

 

[SalixIncendium]

It is quite often used ironically. Implying "You are being pretty optimistic in thinking that you will get him (or her) to be reasonable". It is also often used negatively just as the laughing one used to be used negatively until that was banned.

I've used it for the former reason in the past, but I've never used it to mock someone. Using it in such a fashion is actionable for moderation under Rule 9, as it's not conducive to the forum mission.

 

[Rival]

Due to the fact that it is very religious it needs to be watered down a bit. Including "well wishes" lowers the chance of people being accused of advocating doing nothing by nonreligious people. It does no harm to tell others that our thoughts are with them, but limiting it to "prayers" would mean that only one side would use it, and I do worry about it being abused in the "I will pray for you" in a debate statement way. Which of course gets the retaliation: "I will think for you".

So water it down just a bit please with the "well wishes".

Nah. It's a prayer. It's a religious forum. I'm not watering down religion to please non-religious people who come to a forum called 'religious forums'.

 

[Rival]

For context, our original inspiration for the prayer rating was a thread literally asking for prayers.