Nice Going Governor.. 15 an hour for Fast Food Workers across the State of New York. oh boy.....

[Twilight Hue]

What of those who loose their job because "down sizing" or other euphemistic crap reason, and fast food is all they can get while they go on a job search of indefinite length?

I would be hard pressed to think fast food is the only option to go to, but you do get to the real meat of the issue here, and I don't deny times are tough and hard. Yet ask just why businesses are downsizing and streamlining and then think If raising the minimum wage will address issues like this.

As I see it, all this is doing is putting off the inevitable just a bit longer. Again and again. Over and over. Bandaid "solutions".

You know sectors like retail and other low paying jobs will start to demand the same income as fast food just got. A real no brainer. It will be interesting to see how the wheels of economics flow with employment stability then if minimum wage ever goes nationwide to this extent.

Will it be the land of milk and honey?

Watch New York and California real close. Lets see what actually happens.

 

[Politesse]

Any expense can cause a business to flee towards cheaper grounds. Even if wage increases were not the primary issue, it can potentially be "the straw that breaks the camels back" if you may parden the idiom.

Except that they don't. This supposed flight of businesses never happens. And while it is true that unregulated markets do attract a certain kind of business, it's not the kind of business which builds healthy economies.

 

[Politesse]

Trust me. What your saying came from my own lips when struggling in the late seventies and early eighties. I would have said the same words and rational as you are putting out now.

I still hate this saying but, "Life isn't always fair."

You just need to get used to it and persevere. Incidently, my days at work exceed 12 to 13 hours, much of it unpaid hours as I'm only paid mileage with some token compensation like border crossing and detention pay.


Just keep working hard.

So bad advice becomes good advice if you just work hard enough? Someone sure musta handed you something on a platter, because in the real world working hard and never asking questions about why you don't get paid for it doesn't get you anything, except more hard work to do. Working smart, that sometimes works. But not always, and not for everyone.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I would be hard pressed to think fast food is the only option to go to,

It's very possible that it is the only option while they go on a job search of indefinite length while they try to find something better.

Yet ask just why businesses are downsizing and streamlining and then think If raising the minimum wage will address issues like this.

Many of the because they would rather make workers take pay cuts and let them go rather than having the higher ups take a pay cut. But minimum wage is a different issue.

 

[McBell]

Actually I agree as to the implication. But let me ask you this. Is burger flipping for McDonald's a lifetime endeavor?

At a minimum of $15 an hour?
In my neck of the woods it would become a dream job.
Since most factories in these parts start out at $10 an hour and max out at $14...

 

[Milton Platt]

You're right. The sky is falling. The only possible answer to to manipulate demand ...

perhaps by reducing population ...

perhaps by exiling the right wing lunatic fringe to Texas.​

Damn it....I live in Texas. We have enough lunatics already, thank you.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Damn it....I live in Texas. We have enough lunatics already, thank you.

My apologies. Indiana might have been the better choice, but it's too close to Chicago.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Except that they don't. This supposed flight of businesses never happens. And while it is true that unregulated markets do attract a certain kind of business, it's not the kind of business which builds healthy economies.

It has happened. Many times over and over.
Business flee because It's just too expensive to stay. Once "incentives" dry out or govt meddles..

Boom. They're outta here sunshine.

 

[illykitty]

Trust me. What your saying came from my own lips when struggling in the late seventies and early eighties. I would have said the same words and rational as you are putting out now.

I still hate this saying but, "Life isn't always fair."

You just need to get used to it and persevere. Incidently, my days at work exceed 12 to 13 hours, much of it unpaid hours as I'm only paid mileage with some token compensation like border crossing and detention pay.


Just keep working hard.

So your solution is to bend over and take it until there's this elusive break instead of trying to fight this ridiculous system? Sounds like the best idea ever! It's also so brave and pro-active to not do anything about it.

Working hard doesn't always get you somewhere. You need to be lucky too. Maybe you need to update your views cause the world has changed from the 1950's.

 

[Twilight Hue]

At a minimum of $15 an hour?
In my neck of the woods it would become a dream job.
Since most factories in these parts start out at $10 an hour and max out at $14...

I know.

Burger flipping may just have a future designated now as a well payed skilled labor position.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So your solution is to bend over and take it until there's this elusive break instead of trying to fight this ridiculous system? Sounds like the best idea ever! It's also so brave and pro-active to not do anything about it.

Working hard doesn't always get you somewhere. You need to be lucky too. Maybe you need to update your views cause the world has changed from the 1950's.

Not really.

I was bottom barrel for a long time. My parents were on welfare on and off for christ's sake while growing up and they managed eventually. Minimum wage was just as pathetic as it ever was.

Bending over is remaining with a skill-less position and consequently crying about why the pay is so abysmal with no pride and drive to get ever ahead. Everyone in the past managed.

What a whiny pathetic generation we have now. Get the game face going.

News flash. Fifteen an hour is not worth the cost for someone to grill or place patties on a conveyer belt.

Btw, your off half a decade. Mid sixties is when my feet hit the ground.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Wah? If your food isn't made right, instead of blaming the "dumb" fast food worker, try putting yourself in their position of having a demanding work order and having to make a mind-numbing amount of sandwiches, bag dozens and hundreds of orders, all while having people treating you like you're lower than dog ****. If they mess up, oh well. No one is perfect and their job is very difficult.

I once ordered onion rings at Burger King. My order was right. That part was fine except for one small thing.

It was raw onions. Veggie raw. True story.

Next time around I would like 15 dollars worth of competence from the employee. Greasy with breadcrumbs. Deep fry first of course.

Please.

 

[illykitty]

Not really.

I was bottom barrel for a long time. My parents were on welfare on and off for christ's sake while growing up and they managed eventually. Minimum wage was just as pathetic as it ever was.

Bending over is remaining with a skill-less position and consequently crying about why the pay is so abysmal with no pride and drive to get ever ahead. Everyone in the past managed.

What a whiny pathetic generation we have now. Get the game face going.

News flash. Fifteen an hour is not worth the cost for someone to grill or place patties on a conveyer belt.

Btw, your off half a decade. Mid sixties is when my feet hit the ground.

It really pisses me off when people don't seem to get or see things from our eyes and complain constantly about our generations calling us lazy or entitled.

Our generation is fighting for rights, for better pay, for equality, for the environment, for things like university to be cheaper or free.

How is that lazy? How is fighting lazy instead of bending down to corporations and just accepting things as they are. You said it yourself "life is unfair" well a lot of people don't just accept this, they fight and try to make it more fair. You're basically saying we should just accept it.

That's lazy in my eyes. I won't reply again. This is pissing me off too much. You have no consideration for these generations and just insult us instead of seeing what we're trying to accomplish.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It really pisses me off when people don't seem to get or see things from our eyes and complain constantly about our generations calling us lazy or entitled.

Our generation is fighting for rights, for better pay, for equality, for the environment, for things like university to be cheaper or free.

How is that lazy? How is fighting lazy instead of bending down to corporations and just accepting things as they are. You said it yourself "life is unfair" well a lot of people don't just accept this, they fight and try to make it more fair. You're basically saying we should just accept it.

That's lazy in my eyes. I won't reply again. This is pissing me off too much. You have no consideration for these generations and just insult us instead of seeing what we're trying to accomplish.

I, right from the onset knew my views on this won't be popular or even liked one bit by a number of people, and I'm going to look like some heartless ogre without any empathy towards others.

But there has been a notable progressive shift going on in the past twenty years involving practible attitudes and motivation infected with a skewed sense of perspective.

I have a strong opinion that it's certainly an entitlement oriented pc generation in a collective sense that we are dealing with today.

Excluding some bright folks of course who actually do indeed strive and work for a better situation in life coupled with a healthy and pragmatic view that nobody is just going to provide opportunities and betterment by just walking up to the proverbial door step and giving it forthright.

Let me ask some questions anyway.

When making a living wage flipping burgers comes to pass, then where lays the motivation to go ahead and strive for betterment when you have an instituted pay scale that approaches or exceeds many present skilled and professional positions themselves? Where does the drive go?

What do you suppose will happen concerning those who already are at the 15 dollar an hour mark, after taking long years of education and training to get there, and then suddenly seeing people flipping burgers and serving fries suddenly on par with the pay rate they worked so hard to get to?

What do you think said employers are now going to have to do to in order to retain existing personnel to stay, or to attract others, who are, or have been willing to go through the expense and time required to get trained and educated to work skilled or professional entry level positions when flipping burgers now meets the present entry level standard ?

Now because of this, those positions will have to adjust accordingly to reflect those higher standards by which advanced education and training brings

Translation....

Everything goes up and we will be back in the same situation.

Again and again and again and again.....

Insanity is trying the same thing over and over and over expecting different results.

But what the hey. Enjoy the temporary "prosperity" while it lasts before encroaching higher costs of living eats up the entire difference. It's an inevitability.

You just wasted all your effort and time fighting over a bandaid "solution".

Buutttt. ......

Just going to have to see the reality of the cycle yourself, and when you become a geezer or hag someday like I am, you can play the role of a horrible opinionated ogre because you already played that game of checkers. ;0)

 

[Lyndon]

Aren't you a Trump supporter??

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Bending over is remaining with a skill-less position and consequently crying about why the pay is so abysmal with no pride and drive to get ever ahead. Everyone in the past managed.

You apparently have no idea how hard fast food is. You have to work in very hot conditions, work very fast, make a hundred different things, memorize how to make a bunch of different stuff, you're at a higher risk for burns and cuts, customers degrade you, and then they treat you like **** when you mess up.

It was raw onions. Veggie raw. True story.

People make mistakes. Doctors tend to make a lot of money, and they sometimes make mistakes that kill people. Rather than adding to the problem of denigrating low wage workers, and complain because they make mistakes, how about just accept that they too are humans, not robots, and they make mistakes?

When making a living wage flipping burgers comes to pass, then where lays the motivation to go ahead and strive for betterment when you have an instituted pay scale that approaches or exceeds many present skilled and professional positions themselves? Where does the drive go?

I don't know? Probably, just maybe, it has something to do with few people want to flipping burgers. But if it's all you can get, for whatever reason, you shouldn't be stuck with wages that won't pay the bills.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Aren't you a Trump supporter??

He supports 15 bucks an hour for fast food?

 

[Lyndon]

No, he supports treating workers like **** and funneling more money to the 1%.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You apparently have no idea how hard fast food is. You have to work in very hot conditions, work very fast, make a hundred different things, memorize how to make a bunch of different stuff, you're at a higher risk for burns and cuts, customers degrade you, and then they treat you like **** when you mess up.

People make mistakes. Doctors tend to make a lot of money, and they sometimes make mistakes that kill people. Rather than adding to the problem of denigrating low wage workers, and complain because they make mistakes, how about just accept that they too are humans, not robots, and they make mistakes?

I don't know? Probably, just maybe, it has something to do with few people want to flipping burgers. But if it's all you can get, for whatever reason, you shouldn't be stuck with wages that won't pay the bills.

1) And other people don't work hard for what they earn? Is there something extra special involved with working hard for fast food which somehow surpasses the working efforts endured by other people in other industries?

2) I'd like to see the same argument with Doctors coincide with, "He makes mistakes. Its only human." Doctors get sued for their mistakes. But then again there's hot coffee. Eh.

Incidently, don't expect the pressures to decrease for competent service now that fast food burger flipping has graduated to the 15 dollar an hour club, they had well better get the orders prepared right for customers. Its going to be held to a higher standard now than before. Customers deserve the services they pay for. Its not the other way around and I'm fairly sure they will let you know about it if it's not.

3) it's pretty sad if flipping burgers is someone's lifelong ambition unless of course he/she owns the restraunt of course. If not well..... Best of wishes once the difference gets eaten up, and left lacking more marketable skills down the road.

Personally I would love to see living wages for everyone, but it's just not possible. This is excessively overpriced menial labor and like it or not, types of labor holds a certain value. Its why there are notable difference in what people earn. Flipping burgers does not equate skilled or professional occupations. Not now nor ever. It's why they are designated as transitory positions. Not meant nor designed to be permanent long term positions. People have been saying this for as long as I can remember.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

1) And other people don't work hard for what they earn? Is there something extra special involved with working hard for fast food which somehow surpasses the working efforts endured by other people in other industries?

In many instances, fast food is much harder than many jobs that pay more. I made $9 an hour working at a library, and that was a job that required no skills. I was a manager once making $8.25/hour. But fast food is much harder than either of those jobs. Even working at a gas station is considerably easier than fast food. And there are a few ways that fast food will pretty much always surpass many other jobs, especially in regards to the hectic pace of fast food and having to endure customers treating you in ways that no one should be treated.
What one of the issues is is that few people it seems want to admit or acknowledge that fast food is a hell of a lot harder that what most people think it is.

2) I'd like to see the same argument with Doctors coincide with, "He makes mistakes. Its only human." Doctors get sued for their mistakes. But then again there's hot coffee. Eh.

In most cases, that would be ideal (although some doctors, such as pill pushers, should be sued). And if you are referring to the lawsuit filed against McDonald's because the coffee burnt a ladies thighs, that one is the fault of that McDonald's because they kept their coffee way above corporate guidelines and there were already numerous complaints against that McDonald's for their coffee being too hot; in addition, the lady who sued only sued to cover the part of her medical bills that her insurance wouldn't.

Best of wishes once the difference gets eaten up, and left lacking more marketable skills down the road.

A "lack of marketable skills" (another problem we have in society, as pretty much any skill is marketable; it comes to down more to having opportunities and chances to use your skills) is no reason for someone to be making wages that do not pay the bills.