Noahs Ark

[Autodidact]

I don't understand what you're saying, Sandy. Are you making a distinction between Biblical reality and real reality? What does it mean to say that something happened "Biblically?" Do you mean it happened in a fictional way? As for example, it would be accurate to say that Huck Finn sailed a raft on the Mississippi?

 

[Chookna]

You guy's are crazy! Of course it's all true.
YouTube - Discovery of the real Noah's Ark Part 1
Discovery of the real Noah's Ark.
The Exodus and the Red Sea Crossing.
The Physical remains of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Ron Wyatt's Discovering the Exodus.
Revealing God's Treasure - Mt. Sinai.
Found: Ark of the Covenant.

 

[rusra02]

Some dinosaurs (and pterosaurs) may have been created in the fifth era listed in Genesis, when the Bible says that God made “flying creatures” and “great sea monsters.” Perhaps other types of dinosaurs were created in the sixth epoch. The vast array of dinosaurs with their huge appetites would have been appropriate considering the abundant vegetation that evidently existed in their time.—Genesis 1:20-24.
When the dinosaurs had fulfilled their purpose, God ended their life. But the Bible is silent on how he did that or when. We can be sure that dinosaurs were created by Jehovah for a purpose, even if we do not fully understand that purpose at this time.
The Bible does not teach the Earth was created and prepared for human habitation within six days of 24 hours. The 'days' of Genesis were evidently thousands of years, and the earth itself existed from 'the beginning' which scientists now estimate occurred billions of years ago.
As for dinosaurs, the Bible is does not mention them, which may lead some to conclude they were already gone when Adam was created by God. Again, the Bible simply does not say.​

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Some dinosaurs (and pterosaurs) may have been created in the fifth era listed in Genesis, ...​

drivel ...

 

[Breathe]

drivel ...

Drivel, or dribble?

(That kid is so cute! )
EDIT: Where did the pic go?!

 

[Autodidact]

Some dinosaurs (and pterosaurs) may have been created in the fifth era listed in Genesis, when the Bible says that God made “flying creatures” and “great sea monsters.” Perhaps other types of dinosaurs were created in the sixth epoch. The vast array of dinosaurs with their huge appetites would have been appropriate considering the abundant vegetation that evidently existed in their time.—Genesis 1:20-24.
When the dinosaurs had fulfilled their purpose, God ended their life. But the Bible is silent on how he did that or when. We can be sure that dinosaurs were created by Jehovah for a purpose, even if we do not fully understand that purpose at this time.
The Bible does not teach the Earth was created and prepared for human habitation within six days of 24 hours. The 'days' of Genesis were evidently thousands of years, and the earth itself existed from 'the beginning' which scientists now estimate occurred billions of years ago.
As for dinosaurs, the Bible is does not mention them, which may lead some to conclude they were already gone when Adam was created by God. Again, the Bible simply does not say.​

You don't actually engage or respond or converse, do you? You're having a conversation with yourself. Why do it in public?

 

[tumbleweed41]

You guy's are crazy! Of course it's all true.
YouTube - Discovery of the real Noah's Ark Part 1

"... in 1977 a pseudo-documentary called "In Search of Noah's ark" was played on numerous television stations. CBS showed a special in 1993 entitled "The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark." The first is a work of fiction claiming to be a documentary. The second was masterminded by George Jammal, who has admitted that the story was a hoax. Jammal said he wanted to expose religious frauds. His hoax was seen by about 20 million people, most of whom probably still do not know that Jammal did not want them to take it seriously.

During his show, Jammal produced what he called "sacred wood" from the ark, which he later admitted was wood taken from railroad tracks in Long Beach, California, which he had hardened by cooking in an oven. He also prepared other fake wood by simmering a piece of California pine on his kitchen stove in a mix of wine, iodine, sweet-and-sour, and teriyaki sauces. He also admitted that he had never been to Turkey. The program was produced by Sun International Pictures, based in Salt Lake City and which is responsible for several pseudo-documentaries on Nostradamus, the Bermuda Triangle, the Shroud of Turin, and UFOs."


Noah's Ark - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com​

 

[Chookna]

"... in 1977 a pseudo-documentary called "In Search of Noah's ark" was played on numerous television stations. CBS showed a special in 1993 entitled "The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark." The first is a work of fiction claiming to be a documentary. The second was masterminded by George Jammal, who has admitted that the story was a hoax. Jammal said he wanted to expose religious frauds. His hoax was seen by about 20 million people, most of whom probably still do not know that Jammal did not want them to take it seriously.

During his show, Jammal produced what he called "sacred wood" from the ark, which he later admitted was wood taken from railroad tracks in Long Beach, California, which he had hardened by cooking in an oven. He also prepared other fake wood by simmering a piece of California pine on his kitchen stove in a mix of wine, iodine, sweet-and-sour, and teriyaki sauces. He also admitted that he had never been to Turkey. The program was produced by Sun International Pictures, based in Salt Lake City and which is responsible for several pseudo-documentaries on Nostradamus, the Bermuda Triangle, the Shroud of Turin, and UFOs."​

Noah's Ark - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com​

These discoveries have nothing to do with George what's his face, this is totally different, watch the clip and you'll soon see.

 

[tumbleweed41]

These discoveries have nothing to do with George what's his face, this is totally different, watch the clip and you'll soon see.

"...Not one single person I spoke with on that video presently believes that Ron Wyatt's site is Noah's Ark. Some are outraged that Wyatt is still using film clips which make them look like they are substantiating Wyatt's claims when, in fact, the opposite is the case. Listed below are some of the individuals who appear on the video. Compare the story WAR continues to sell with the actual words written by the scientists after doing extensive research on the site. They no longer believe it is Noah's Ark. They believe it is a natural geological formation. As to the so-called discoveries on Ron Wyatt's video entitled "Presentation of Discoveries," those interviewed whom Ron Wyatt presented with his "facts" put little or no archaeological value on any of the material. "Fraud" was the word most often used when discussing these so-called discoveries. Read the letters from archaeologists within Ron Wyatt's own denomination, Seventh Day Adventist, and you will see that even those who would have an interest in substantiating Ron Wyatt's claims find little or no scientific evidence to support any of these discoveries. "

Wyatt Archaeological Research Fraud Documentation (WAR, W.A.R.)

A vast majority of CHRISTIAN archeologists call Wyatt a fraud.

http://www.fni.com/cim/reports/wyatt.txt

Even the Creationists at Answers in Genesis point out the fraudulent science of Wyatt

Special report: Amazing ‘Ark’ exposé

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]William H. Shea, Biblical Research Institute [/FONT]

Statement by William H. Shea

"In my comments captured in this video I indicated, ill-advisedly in retrospect, that I thought the site was likely that of Noah's ark. Over the next three years I visited the site seven more times. During the summers of 1987 and 1988, I, along with Prof. Salih Bayraktutan of Ataturk University in Erzurum , led research expeditions to study the site. In the 1987 expedition we applied ground penetrating radar, seismic refraction, and magnetometer techniques to seek to determine the nature of the subsurface environment at the site. The focus of our 1988 expedition was to perform core drilling to retrieve actual samples of the subsurface material.

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The very firm conclusion I reached on the basis of the information we gleaned from these two research expeditions was that this boat-shaped formation is the result of a mudslide that flowed around a ridge-like obstacle, which runs lengthwise down the middle of the boat-shaped formation."

John Baumgardner who was at that time a geologist with Los Alamos Labs, shown in the video supposedly confirming Wyatts find.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

A vast majority of CHRISTIAN archeologists call Wyatt a fraud.

Wyatt is a joke.

 

[richardlowellt]

When you make such a definitive statement (JESUS LOVES YOU) you anger those who do not believe as you. You make this statement as though it is FACTUAL!!!! State your opinions as a belief, I BELIEVE Jesus loves you.

In order for the earth to be flooded with water, enough to cover the highest mountain ranges there would have to be 13.5 billion cubic MILES of water. Where did this water come from, and more important where did it go? There was no global flood, scientific evidence shows a global flood never happened. Example...If a global flood did happen sedimentary layers would be uniformed all over the globe, no such sedimentary layers exist worldwide.

 

[keithnurse]

I heard somewhere that the great flood is due to rapidly rising sea levels brought about by the end of the last ice age, that was kept alive as a story by early humankind. That, or it could have been some regional flood that gained more and more awesomeness as generations went on. These are two proposals that I've heard.

Although, according to various alien conspiricists (I think Raëlianism thinks the same, too) Noah's ark was in fact, a UFO, and it wasn't two of every living animal, but DNA extracts! ... That sounds kinda cool, actually.

That sounds much better than the literal understanding of the story. Is there any evidence that that is what happened or is this just another story we are supposed to "take by faith"?

 

[keithnurse]

How did they get the alligators and crocodiles onto the ark and keep them where they couldn't eat all the other creatures and what about the anacondas and burmese pythons? how did they keep them from eating all the mice and rats and birds?

 

[richardlowellt]

Biblically, the flood happened. It happened BC.

Then perhaps you could tell us where 13.5 Billion cubic MILES of water came from, and more important, where it all went. Then explain why there is no sediment layer found covering the globe as would be consistent with a global flood. Then explain how a craft of over 300 feet in length stayed afloat, as no wooden boat over 300 feet has ever been seaworthy, too much stress on the joints and the wave action causes the wood to buckle and leak, the largest known wood boat a three masted schooner 268 feet in length had to be reenforced with metal rods and brackets to keep it from breaking apart, which it eventually did of the coast of Cape Cod, going down in moderate seas with all hands. Then you just might want to give some thought about every species of animal, reptile, and insects and how they where feed specialized diets, and the space for basically millions of species, and KINDS< doesn't answer anything, its a biblical term not a scientific one, Oh by the way, GOOD LUCK!!!

 

[Breathe]

That sounds much better than the literal understanding of the story. Is there any evidence that that is what happened or is this just another story we are supposed to "take by faith"?

Which one? The ice age, or the UFO?

Ice Age, I guess so?
UFO-DNA Extracts, I doubt it. But it solves the food and space issue I guess.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Then perhaps you could tell us where 13.5 Billion cubic MILES of water came from, and more important, where it all went. Then explain why there is no sediment layer found covering the globe as would be consistent with a global flood. Then explain how a craft of over 300 feet in length stayed afloat, as no wooden boat over 300 feet has ever been seaworthy, too much stress on the joints and the wave action causes the wood to buckle and leak, the largest known wood boat a three masted schooner 268 feet in length had to be reenforced with metal rods and brackets to keep it from breaking apart, which it eventually did of the coast of Cape Cod, going down in moderate seas with all hands. Then you just might want to give some thought about every species of animal, reptile, and insects and how they where feed specialized diets, and the space for basically millions of species, and KINDS< doesn't answer anything, its a biblical term not a scientific one, Oh by the way, GOOD LUCK!!!

I agree but I don't see him answering these questions anytime soon.

 

[rusra02]

Then perhaps you could tell us where 13.5 Billion cubic MILES of water came from, and more important, where it all went.
Then explain why there is no sediment layer found covering the globe as would be consistent with a global flood. Then explain how a craft of over 300 feet in length stayed afloat, as no wooden boat over 300 feet has ever been seaworthy, too much stress on the joints and the wave action causes the wood to buckle and leak, the largest known wood boat a three masted schooner 268 feet in length had to be reenforced with metal rods and brackets to keep it from breaking apart, which it eventually did of the coast of Cape Cod, going down in moderate seas with all hands. Then you just might want to give some thought about every species of animal, reptile, and insects and how they where feed specialized diets, and the space for basically millions of species, and KINDS< doesn't answer anything, its a biblical term not a scientific one, Oh by the way, GOOD LUCK!!!

Then perhaps you could tell us where 13.5 Billion cubic MILES of water came from, and more important, where it all went.

answer: The Bible tells us the Earth of Noah's day existed "in the midst of water" (2 Peter 3:5) Apparently the Earth was surrounded by water above the Earth's atmosphere that kept the planet at a consistently warm temperature.
Today there is about 1.4 billion cu km (326 million cu mi) of water on the earth. It covers more than 70 percent of the globe’s surface. The average depth of the oceans is 4 km (2.5 mi); average elevation of the land is only 0.8 km (0.5 mi) above sea level. If the earth’s surface was smoothed out, it would all be covered with water to a depth of 2,400 m (8,000 ft). The pre-flood mountains were evidently much lower than the mountain ranges the effects of the Flood brought into existence. Next time you swim in the ocean, give thought to the fact the water you are in may have fallen to earth in Noah's day for the first time.

Then explain why there is no sediment layer found covering the globe as would be consistent with a global flood.

The Flood of Noah's day was apparently so devastating it completely changed the Earth's landscape, including filling the seas that previously did not exist. It is naive to believe we can disprove the Flood occurred because we expect to find similar effects as when a local flood occurs.
Geology professor John McCampbell once wrote: “The essential differences between Biblical catastrophism [the Flood] and evolutionary uniformitarianism are not over the factual data of geology but over the interpretations of those data. The interpretation preferred will depend largely upon the background and presuppositions of the individual student.

Then explain how a craft of over 300 feet in length stayed afloat, as no wooden boat over 300 feet has ever been seaworthy, too much stress on the joints and the wave action causes the wood to buckle and leak, the largest known wood boat a three masted schooner 268 feet in length had to be reenforced with metal rods and brackets to keep it from breaking apart, which it eventually did of the coast of Cape Cod, going down in moderate seas with all hands.

God gave Noah instructions on building the Ark. One would think God could design a craft that would float for a year or so. After Noah entered the Ark, God shut the door. The Ark wasn't a boat but a solidly built floating chest.

Then you just might want to give some thought about every species of animal, reptile, and insects and how they where feed specialized diets, and the space for basically millions of species, and KINDS< doesn't answer anything, its a biblical term not a scientific one,

It is true that encyclopedias refer to over a million species of animals. But Noah was instructed to preserve only representatives of every “kind” of land animal and flying creature. Some investigators have said that just 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles could have produced the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today. The ark had about 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) of usable space—ample for both the passengers and food required.

Those who deny the historicity of the Global Flood that occurred in Noah's lifetime deny that Jesus Christ taught the truth, as he said he did. As a sign of the last days, Peter wrote that some would scoff at the evidence of God's approaching judgement.
"According to their wish, this fact escapes their notice,that there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God and by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water... by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire...and destruction of the ungodly men." (2 Peter 3:3-7)

 

[Autodidact]

What is a "kind?" About how many "kinds" did Noah take on the ark?

 

[fantome profane]

It is true that encyclopedias refer to over a million species of animals. But Noah was instructed to preserve only representatives of every “kind” of land animal and flying creature. Some investigators have said that just 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles could have produced the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today.

Pure nonsense. What experts, and why do they say this. Where is the evidence that “10 kinds” could produce all the different species we have today, and do it in only a few thousand years? Where is the evidence of the hyper-fast evolution that would be required?

 

[ManTimeForgot]

Apparently, some say that stories, such as Noah's ark are not to be taken literally. Of course, if the events didn't really happen, then I don't really understand what's to be learned by stories, since they don't represent anything that actually happened.

Is this pretty typical of the responses most hard-line atheists have about the biblical tales?

In order to learn something from a story it actually has to happen? I wasn't aware that any of Aesop's fables happened, and yet I learned quite a bit from them when I was a child. Why should the Bible be any different? Parables and fables do not need to have actually happened as long as people can relate to the events and are able to derive/observe a moral.


The Bible properly used is a tool of learning. Learning basic morality from the Bible doesn't seem all that bad by my reckoning. There are quite a few "role models" that I can think of that are far worse than the Bible. Sure it has its faults, but so does everyone. But I count coming away a more well-rounded person a good thing regardless of the source, and if that happens to be the result of the Bible, then I say good for you.



The story of Noah's Ark shouldn't be taken as literal by anyone including members of Christianity. Killing off everyone but Noah's family would require incest in order to repopulate the world. Exactly why would the God which favored Noah force him to have sex with his daughters to repopulate the world? That's right God wouldn't because that would be requiring sin of his creations.

MTF