Nonsense

[dybmh]

The ark was a box to carry the tablets (knowledge)...

That's not what Torah is.

Of course, you are the last word and expect to be taken seriously, if I do not comply with your brilliance, resources and interpretations.

Quoting the text is not interpretation.

I consider the UN as representing the majority on the earth.

How many times in world history has the majority been wrong? Your claim above is "flat-earth" thinking.

Again, now you are using christian scriptures as if trying to impose application of our discussion.

It is inconsistent to pick and choose which verses are true or false, apparently by whim.

The writers are often wrong

If you apply that same logic to your own narrative and I think it will be a huge leap forward.

You accept the old dialogue as better than new comprehension.

You do not know what I accept or not. You're listening skills, in my judgement, are equivalent to a salad-bar.

What bias?

Among others, blind spot bias.

but i try not to lower myself to be such a serpent

But other serpents are OK, right? When will you come out and tell us the name of your theology? The god/gods you believe in? Perhaps the significance of B'ThoTh, if there is one?

What is the name of your god?

If there are multiple names, does one of the start with "S" or "samech" in Hebrew? Sa.... No, not Sophia... the other one.
If there are multiple names, does one of the start with "L" or "Lamed" in Hebrew? Lu.......

These should be easy straight forward questions to answer. You have stated you are abrahamic on your user profile. Are you lying?

I can answer these questions. Anyone who is *actually* abrahamic can answer them. Can you? Will you? What are you afraid of?

They will greatly assist in moving this conversation forward regarding the reasons for your claims against Israel and Rabbis and the reimagining/redefining of Judaism per what appear to be syncretic eqyptian/pagan theologies.

i can see that is just how you were trained. And clearly nothing Jewish about it.

Offering constructive criticism is definitely Jewish, and having the fortitude and grace of character to accept it and learn from it is definitely Jewish. You're wrong again. Didn't claim to be a "learner" and that you "evolve" from these discusssions? How's that going for you? Are you learning? Are you evolving? Or are you rejecting, ignoring information, and stuck in a rut?

Remember what I said about evolution? It's like what my grandmother taught me: "You have to break the bud for it to grow." -- Dead-Heading, wikipedia

King Solomon writes:

Proverbs 27:5​

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טובה תוכחת מגלה מאהבה מסתרת׃​

Open rebuke is better than secret love.​

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Ecclesiastes 7:5​

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טוב לשמע גערת חכם מאיש שמע שיר כסילים׃​

It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.​

Did you exaggerate? Did they use it ON civilians?

Yes.............. in 2009 absolutely.

Wrong. You are ignoring the facts. They did not use it ON civilians. And since I showed the facts, this has become blatant dishonesty. In fact everytime you make this claim, you are knowingly lying.

Since you have seem to be inspired by egytpian theology, and claim to be follower of commandments, here is the egyptian law prohibiting what you are doing.

The 42 Commandments of Ancient Egypt

The Egyptian Forty Two Commandments

MA'AT - Right and Truth​

UN is cross trained. As a whole could not be 'anti-israel'.

As a majority they very much could be. And they a have incentive to be anti-Israel, because Israel does not submit/comply to their demands. This should be readily understood considering your reaction to any perceived ( albeit false ) impugning your personal autonomy.

I have been trying but you prefer defending the RABBID about even animal sacrificing (red heifer) and tried to make fun of me for bringing it up

Your over-reaction is comical.

Like you said we could do great things together. I've agreed, we can and should work together. But you don't seem to be a team-player. Your mind-set and inclination seems more sith-like. Which is not team oriented. When you said, something about working together, I thought you were saying something else. But you seem to want to be the master. This was evident earlier when you tried to act like "father" "minister" and "shepard".

I, on the other hand, am all about the teams.

Very few could take the BS that I do.

Nah... that sounds like false victim-hood. I wrote about that in this tread. The "armchair activist" manufactures victims, even they themself are propped up a false victims because the sharp victim/predator contrast is so rewarding in their heart that they cannot help but create false victims to LOVE and false enemies to HATE and give themself a sense of PURPOSE. All of it is exclusively in their mind, though.

Is your duty to pass rabies onto others or just break the commandments to defend the misunderstandings's's's?

It was a metaphor about team-work, bro.

My whole life has been based on team work but this topic/project is too big.

So you admit that you are not actually interested in team-work, because this topic or project is too big? That makes sense if deep down you don't want peace from cooperation, instead it's peace via dominance?

What's the name of your god? You claim to be abrahamic, what's its name? "Sa......" "Lu......"

If you treat your bro's like me, I guess using phosphorus munitions on the perceived enemies and a samson option philosophy, must be a part of life.

If any of my friends stuck their head in the sand ignoring facts and acting like a know-it-all? Yes, I would repeatedly kick them in the soft part of their rear to arouse them from their "trance-state".

You are again confusing brotherly love with bowing to your authority.

The evidence that I provided, showed the names of at least 3 rabbi, that are specifically intending to build a temple and alter and then I shared the specific animal to be sacrificed.

That has nothing to do with the conflict. It's harmless. You are manufacturing a false dilemma so you can solve it. In large part this is what matches Christian theology.

What's the name of your god?

Does one of the names start with an "Sa" or a Samech in Hebrew?
Does one of the names start with an "Lu" or a Lamed in Hebrew?

but killing and dying over a stupid hill, is no better than drinking the jim jones cool aid.

No one's doing that. That is in your opinion, a self-reinforced illusion.

Absolutely. The christos is not a person.

But you won't answer if you're Christian, right? You've dodged it several times.

What is the name of your god? One of those names is... "Sa......"? Or "Lu......"

Seeking understanding to assist mankind, is the best model

And that understanding comes from listening alternative points of view. Not adopting them, this is not compliance, it's just simple listening.

You admitted you cannot do it, because it hurts your heart and you feel damaged by even exposing yourself to alternate persepctives.

You are right, I did make that promise. Darn it, you caught me.... I must be a bad man.

The point is, you are being inconsistent. You're not bad, just confused, and biased, and full of what appears to be a toxic combination of LOVE HATE and PURPOSE.

Seem? is that a slang for you admitting not knowing

Of course! I do not willfully knowingly lie which is contrasted with what you are doing about the white phosporous.

Great point. Best that I dont.

And if you apply that to the entire Jewish religion, I think it will be a huge step forward in your evolution. Since you don't speak the language, and you ignore even the most basic alphabet lessons, it's best that you don't make any sort of conclusions about Judaism.

I was working on solutions

Nope you are perpetuating conflict, and I think it feels your heart with LOVE, among other things.

Ouch...... please tell me more about myself Oh king of the serpent language

The serpent was the most... what was it? Do you know the story? The serpent was....?

Understanding the serpent's language means it can be identified and avoided when it bubbles up. It's a story and a metaphor, don't forget. You've been speaking "serpent". You just don't realize it. Unless you do and you're hiding that recognition. It's called "double-speak". Politicians use it, propagandists use it. Advertising uses it.

Everytime you use the word "RABBID" you're speaking "serpent". Identifying as "Abrahamic" is speaking "serpent" if the person is Satanic. It's both true and false to call oneself Abrahamic if they are a Satanist. This is typical of Gnostics. It's lying by omission, but when called on it, they can say "I wasn't lying, it IS Abrahamic, just not conventially Abrahamic. Satan is Abrahamic. Lucifer is Abrahamic, you just don't know what I know... "

And the truth is Gnostics often do worship the serpent, as a metaphor, in the garden of eden story. They consider it Sophia, a goddess of wisdom and knowledge, in a story that was originally pro serpent until... ooooh, those evil evil Rabbis and Scribes came to corrupt the beautiful serpent. It's the same with Lucifer, whom is considered a victim of those evil elites who are hoarding knowledge all for themself.

Once a person learns how "double-speak" works, they can avoid all sorts of manipulative tactics employed by those who speak out of both sides of their mouth.

Doublespeak - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Bthoth]

That's not what Torah is.

I know, the ark/box was built for the commandments. Torah did not exist until well after moses.

How many times in world history has the majority been wrong? Your claim above is "flat-earth" thinking.

and fighting me, to defend atrocities is tribal, uncivilized.

But other serpents are OK, right? When will you come out and tell us the name of your theology? The god/gods you believe in? Perhaps the significance of B'ThoTh, if there is one?

Why, so you can try and find a fault?

What is the name of your god?

That is above your pay grade.

These should be easy straight forward questions to answer. You have stated you are abrahamic on your user profile. Are you lying?

To you anything that i write is lying if non compliant.

egyptian/pagan theologies.

That model is evidenced by the few requiring a temple and animal sacrificing.

Didn't claim to be a "learner" and that you "evolve" from these discusssions? How's that going for you? Are you learning? Are you evolving? Or are you rejecting, ignoring information, and stuck in a rut?

Yep, I am unqualified in a packed court.

The Egyptian Forty Two Commandments

MA'AT - Right and Truth​

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Did you look up where Moses was born and the house that he was raised in?

Why do you dig into my profile? That method of debating is almost as bad as idolatry for a stupid hill.

Your over-reaction is comical.

What is comical is questioning me for having your own heart tapped, breaking the ethics of civility and try to discredit me, because of losing.

So you admit that you are not actually interested in working together, because this topic or project is too big?

Project is bigger than building a temple where it will never be accepted by the majority on the earth. At least knowledge can convey and grow without the acceptance of the obtuse and damaged

That makes sense if deep down you don't want peace from cooperation, instead it's peace via dominance?

The dominance is exhibited by the biased and controlling parties, not me.

What's the name of your god? You claim to be abrahamic, what's its name? "S......" "L......"

I do not worship, ANY deity. Keeping the abrahamic frame is about the foundations of the three religions, the commandments (personal responsibility). That is perhaps too much for your training to comprehend.

If any of my friends stuck their head in the sand ignoring facts and acting like a know-it-all? Yes I would repeatedly kick them in the soft part of their rear to arouse them from their "trance-state".

You are again confusing brotherly love with bowing to your authority.

I am not the one or persons trying to suggesting having authority.

What's the name of your god?

Does one of the names start with an "S" or a Samech in Hebrew?
Does one of the names start with an "L" or a Lamed in Hebrew?

Why repeat the same question? That's about as crazy as banging your head on a wall expecting a god to put a temple on the stupid hill.

Is that a part of your training?

But you won't answer if you're Christian, right? You've dodged it several times.

No you are not reading. I have already told you that jesus is not the christos/christ........

What is the name of your god? One of those names is... "Sa......"? Or "Lu......"

Again?

The serpent was the most... what was it? Do you know the story? The serpent was....?

is it you? Did the serpent ask the same stupid question over and over?

Understanding the serpent's language means it can be identified and avoided when it bubbles up.

Ah yes........ the same over and over

It's a story and a metaphor, don't forget. You've been speaking "serpent". You just don't realize it. Unless you do and you're hiding that recognition. It's called "double-speak". Politicians use it, propagandists use it. Advertising uses it.

And a part of your training!

Everytime you use the word "RABBID" you're speaking "serpent". Identifying as "Abrahamic" is speaking "serpent" if the person is Satanic. It's both true and false to call oneself Abrahamic if they are a Satanist. This is typical of Gnostics. It's lying by omission, but when called on it, they can say "I wasn't lying, it IS Abrahamic, just not conventially Abrahamic. Satan is Abrahamic. Lucifer is Abrahamic, you just don't know what I know... "

All you want is a label to start your next layers of attack.

See, I do make mistakes................ trying to be patient.

 

[dybmh]

I know, the ark/box was built for the commandments. Torah did not exist until well after moses.

Nope. What does the word Torah mean? Why not look it up and ... educate your self.

and fighting me, to defend atrocities is tribal, uncivilized.

Since I haven't done that, those words are about as relevant as aardvark.

Why, so you can try and find a fault?

Of course not. Bro, dude!!!! Everyone knows already. The secret's out. Satan and Lucifer can be the good ones. They're important. It just depends on how the story is told and WHO is telling it!

This forum has had plenty, PLENTY of people demonstrating it. What I wrote above is the ENTIRE point. Take a minute, take a breath, please.

I can write a beautiful homage to Thamiel, heard of her? The name is wrong, her actual name ( actually their name, they're a pair is, Nohfail u'G'looyeh-Anahyim ). And the reason I can do that, is because I am not afraid of these things. I am fully aware that the narrative can be shifted. Here's a link. I didn't write this, but, it gives you an idea of my commitment and the level of understanding I'm talking about. - LINK. Please click on it, OK? It has "gnosis" in the URL.

This ^^ yet again, is me demonstrating my willingness to cross way-way-way outside of my comfort zone. That's a measure of my commitment to "understanding as the path to peace".

This is how it works: True understanding comes from looking at the issue from multiple points of view. Not adopting them, but respecting them. There's a little more to it, but, I'll get to that.

Pretend for a moment, and it won't be a stretch, that I read the Hebrew bible as an overly, pie-eyed, optimistic, apologist. When I read it, my bias is: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are perfect role-models. Just pretend, OK? I read the story and I am imagining The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the tri-omni ideal that people talk about. Omni-potent, Omni-scient, Omni-benevolent. Pretend, please. From this, I establilsh for myself a personal code which includes "honesty". Now, we could argue, and maybe we should argue, "Is that really my personal code? Or am I copying it? Did I actually think this through?" But let's skip that. Let's just presume that I have adopted "Honesty" as as an ideal from my biased reading of the Hebrew bible. Good so far?

Now, let's consider the opposing point of view, this also shouldn't be a stretch. Let's consider the bible critic, who hears me or reads my writing, and they challenge: "Wait a minute, God is not any of those things. And Abraham, Issac, and Jacob? Dude. They all lied." And then they point out the verses annd we argue and we argue.. Can you imagine it? It sould be easy.

Question. What are these two arguing about? They both think lying is wrong. Are you with me?

Now, if we take that same idea and apply it to our situation, right here, right now. You should have no problem just telling me the name of your god. Simple. No more hiding. Just say it.

I invited you to a private conversation with me, and we probably could have saved a lot of time that way. But you wanted to do this in the open.

It is 100% OK with me to be Satanic, if that Satanism produces prinicples and values that align with what I consider to be healthy, moral, principles. Same with Luciferians. Same with Gnostics. Same with Christians. Same with anyone. I can understand it, but I don't have to adopt it.

I think I have pretty good moral compass. I have worked a lot on it to refine it. I've been fortunate enough to interact with many different sorts of people. And I'm bold. I'm nothing if I'm not bold. So, I don't care if it's "not-Jewish", I'm not afraid to learn about it. But, there are certian things which I avoid. And I don't respect at all. I understand them, but I don't respect them. They're pretty few and far between at this point. Almost everything can be moderated.

And because of this, There are certain issues where I take a stand. I already mentioned one briefly. And we can talk about those things, if you want, eeven though they are way off-topic.

The point is, you do not need to be afraid, to be yourself, with me. And, I think it's fair to say you will be supported in your theology here, on RF.

On the other hand, forgive me, I cannot help but seeing multiple perspectives, I can also understand how rewarding it is to have a hidden theology, and how that secret can be delicious, and then choosing whom is in the inner circle of "knowers" is protected, earned, and somewhat limited.

I can understand that too. But, I don't think it's always healthy. I think in this case it would be good to try a little openess. If you scroll back, you'll see I said this. I don't think repression is healthy for you, at least not right now.

That is above your pay grade.

Hah! You don't know who you're talking to.

To you anything that i write is lying if non compliant.

Nope. A lie is a lie. In this case, you have been shown that Israel did not use white-phosporous ON civilians. I explained in another post , which you may not have read, how good people get caught up in perpetuating propaganda. It's not because they are bad people. Not at all. I fully understand their position. Fully. I'm excellent at this. Always have been.

You've been shown that Israel did not do what you're claiming. You would need to moderate it in order to prevent being a stone-cold liar.

It's your choice whether to be a liar or not, bro. That's not me. Amaking you comply. It's a choice you are making for yourself. Are you a liar? Is that your identity?

If you enter into a debate, it should be assumed, "Hey I might get exposed to stuff I don't want to see." (I don't ever want to talk about the stuff I was exposed to researching the nature of evil.)

That model is evidenced by the few requiring a temple and animal sacrificing.

It's NOT required in Judaism, and you know it. No one is fighting about the temple, bro. That's just a false dilemma being used to reinforce the false narrative about the Rabbis and the Scribes. But if we dig deeper, it's not the Rabbis and the Scribes, it is the "elite" whom are considered evil by the gnostics, because the are hidding the "truth" ( in quotes, because it is assuming there is only 1 truth ).

Since it's actually the "elite", one can use "double-speak" and assert over and over "I don't hate the Rabbis I don't, I don't". But, it's true, the hatred is there. It's just that the Rabbis are in a larger category of elites which are being demonized and hated. So the denial is simulateously true-false. That's classic "serpent".

Yep, I am unqualified in a packed court.

How in the world do you feel outnumbered? It's just me and you? Yes, when it comes to Judiasm, please forgive the military lingo, I have you out classed, out numbered, and out manuevered. I have the high ground, I have the advantage. It is wise to yield. But not as my captive, not as my slave, as my commrade.

What you need to do, imo, is read about the Gurkahs and the British. It's the perfect model for how these things can go. replace british with Israeli, replace Gurkahs with Palestinian. Or if that's too much, just replace British with me, And Gurkahs with you. The Gurkahs did yeild to the British, and do I have you severely trounced. ( because you tipped your hand and underestimated me thinking I would be woo'd by your knowledge ).

 

[dybmh]

Did you look up where Moses was born and the house that he was raised in?

That's one story. There are others. ~shrugs~ it doesn't matter right now. This is one of things you're over-reacting to. There is no battle for the temple. There is preparation, and a sincere desire to reinstate the temple service. There might be, and proabably are, some crazy-crazies out there, but it's not as bad as you think.

The temple is nothing compared to the דתי. I think I dropped that word on you a while back. Let's check... yup. ( I didn't know if it ended up on the "Cutting room floor" )

Why do you dig into my profile? That method of debating is almost as bad as idolatry for a stupid hill.

No way, bro. That's just you not knowinng how it works around here. So, about, I don't know, 6 months ago, maybe 10 months ago, there was a software update to the forum software. Prior to that, everyone's religious identifiers were posted directly under their name. It's a huge benefit for communicating for folks to know how each person identifies themself. For Jewish people, it helps cut down on the preaching AT us, instead of talking WITH us. There's other examples, but, if this is secret, you'll need to say so, and then wipe those labels off your profile. It is standard practice. Or, there's a way to hide it unless you are folowing someone.

Again, is this a secret? It shouldn't be. You've been telling me all about it.

What is comical is questioning me for having your own heart tapped, breaking the ethics of civility and try to discredit me, because of losing.

I'm not. And bro, you are always welcome in my heart. But that doesn't mean I'm always going to agree with you. I'm defending my postion which is, understanding over knowledge. And you seem to have some massive issues with bias and willfull ignorance. But it's OK if you don't want to work on them. I completely understand your position. My heart goes out to YOU.

But.

It's still wrong to lie about the Rabbis and the Israelis even if it makes you feel good.
It's still wrong to lie about the Rabbis and the Israelis even if stopping makes you feel bad.

Once the root of this bias is exposed, then it can heal. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Rip off the band-aid, release the puss. I think you'll feel a lot better.

Project is bigger than building a temple where it will never be accepted by the majority on the earth. At least knowledge can convey and grow without the acceptance of the obtuse and damaged

This whole thing about the temple is a non-sequitar. The only benefit to this is that it produces never ending PURPOSE. How old are you, bro, over 70? That's signifcant I think. There is PURPOSE even if this obsession over the temple evaporates. That's my promise to you.

The dominance is exhibited by the biased and controlling parties, not me.

The propping up the "elite" as the controlling party is noted, Bro. It's not as bad as you think. There isn't a conspiracy to defraud the public. Not now, not in the past either. There have been events, but they're brief.

There's this thing, I'm calling it "faith-based-reasoning", maybe we'll talk about it sometime. It's another of these feed-back-loop cycles where a person develops a sense of absolute certainity about fringe theories, but, they're actually illusions.

There is PURPOSE even if there is no conspiracy by the elite. That is my promise to you.

I do not worship, ANY deity. Keeping the abrahamic frame is about the foundations of the three religions, the commandments (personal responsibility). That is perhaps too much for your training to comprehend.

You already admitted to having a god, by stating it's above my pay grade. I did not say you worshipped it bro. I was careful with what I said, and how I said it.

I am not the one or persons trying to suggesting having authority.

You are. You have repeatedly claimed authority over the "Truth" of what Judaism is and means.

Why repeat the same question? That's about as crazy as banging your head on a wall expecting a god to put a temple on the stupid hill.

Is that a part of your training?

Yes. In america it is usually preceeded by "Permission to treat the witness hostile, your Honor?"

Also, it's a common debate strategy. The oppenent is cornered, is aware that they are defeated so they keep changing the subject and dodging the question, so the question gets repeated.

Also, it's used in a theraputic setting.

In this specific case, I wanted to communicate that I wasn't going to drop it. I think it's that important.

No you are not reading. I have already told you that jesus is not the christos/christ........

You said: "You are probably expecting me to say... Jesus is not the christos." But I have yet not heard the clear specific statement.

"No I am not a Christian."

So, not Christian.
Muslim doesn't fit.
Jewish? ( you could have some ethnic heritage, I never count that out )
Not Baha'i

Quaker? Maybe...

But the obession over knowledge is the big give away. And the temple, and the heart and LOVE, and the evil Rabbi/Scribe/Elite... the conspiracy theory.

Oh! The tag about "personal responsibility" on your profile.

Bro-seph. It's OK. You can be you. I'm not try to get you to comply. Just please remember, if you wanted this to happen in private, I invited you there. Right from the beginning.

Did the serpent ask the same stupid question over and over?

Hee. No, of course not. Well. I mean there is the famous technique about repeating the same lie. But that's not repeating the same question.

All you want is a label to start your next layers of attack.

Nope. You've got me all wrong. Bro. I want you to be open about your beliefs and theology, so that I can demonstrate my acceptance and understanding for your point of view. Not only because I sincerely accept and understand it, but also because it's a great model for how to resolve the conflict in tthe middle east.

Are you with me?

See, I do make mistakes................ trying to be patient.

It's not a mistake. Patience is a virtue.

דום ליהוה והתחולל לו אל־תתחר במצליח דרכו באיש עשה מזמות׃
Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for him; do not fret yourself over him who prospers in his way, over the man who carries out evil schemes.

 

[Jimmy]

I condemn Hamas. I also think more and more people are beginning to see the truth about Israel.

 

[Bthoth]

Nope. What does the word Torah mean? Why not look it up and ... educate your self.

What does the word Torah literally mean?


instruction

The word Torah literally means “instruction”—meaning some sort of guidance in life. But when Jews say “Torah,” they're most likely speaking of the Five Books of Moses, the foundation of all Jewish instruction and guidance

Thamiel, heard of her?

I dont play the style of fallen angels or devils. Saints to me are statues in the yard as yard art

Pretend for a moment, and it won't be a stretch, that I read the Hebrew bible

Hebrew bible? I dont read the language. I was going to try about 30 yrs ago to learn the language and realized that it was not worth the time or energy. ps..... i still am an apologist and defender of Jews and Judaism.

I have many hours explaining to many people that israel does not represent Jews and the beauty of Judaism.

Let's just presume that I have adopted "Honesty" as as an ideal from my biased reading of the Hebrew bible. Good so far?

I have written to you, that I trust the scope of the writings just not the few that have mislead the good (the Jews)

Now, let's consider the opposing point of view, this also shouldn't be a stretch. Let's consider the bible critic, who hears me or reads my writing, and they challenge: "Wait a minute, God is not any of those things. And Abraham, Issac, and Jacob? Dude. They all lied." And then they point out the verses annd we argue and we argue.. Can you imagine it? It sould be easy.

Abraham, Isaac nor jacob wrote a word of Torah. I'm easy. I see the books as a narrative. Can you agree on that reality? Again?

Question. What are these two arguing about? They both think lying is wrong. Are you with me?

Absolutely.

Now, if we take that same idea and apply it to our situation, right here, right now. You should have no problem just telling me the name of your god. Simple. No more hiding. Just say it.

Nothing to say...... all mass, all energy, all time the totality of the universe as 1. We are it's (his) children, living within the body, of existence.

Impossible to be separate......... ever. That is why, lying and misleading is actually imposing (sin) to him and us at the same time.

The 'name' is the 'holy of holies', the unsaid and unwritten.

I can also understand how rewarding it is to have a hidden theology, and how that secret can be delicious, and then choosing whom is in the inner circle of "knowers" is protected, earned, and somewhat limited.

Nothing is hidden, the good 'chose' to do the work.

Nope. A lie is a lie. In this case, you have been shown that Israel did not use white-phosporous ON civilians.

That conversation is over. Please it was from 2009

 

[dybmh]

What does the word Torah literally mean?


instruction

The word Torah literally means “instruction”—meaning some sort of guidance in life. But when Jews say “Torah,” they're most likely speaking of the Five Books of Moses, the foundation of all Jewish instruction and guidance

I dont play the style of fallen angels or devils. Saints to me are statues in the yard as yard art

Hebrew bible? I dont read the language. I was going to try about 30 yrs ago to learn the language and realized that it was not worth the time or energy. ps..... i still am an apologist and defender of Jews and Judaism.

I have many hours explaining to many people that israel does not represent Jews and the beauty of Judaism.

I have written to you, that I trust the scope of the writings just not the few that have mislead the good (the Jews)

Abraham, Isaac nor jacob wrote a word of Torah. I'm easy. I see the books as a narrative. Can you agree on that reality? Again?

Absolutely.

Nothing to say...... all mass, all energy, all time the totality of the universe as 1. We are it's (his) children, living within the body, of existence.

Impossible to be separate......... ever. That is why, lying and misleading is actually imposing (sin) to him and us at the same time.

The 'name' is the 'holy of holies', the unsaid and unwritten.

Nothing is hidden, the good 'chose' to do the work.

That conversation is over. Please it was from 2009

You completely missed the point of what I wrote, which makes sense. From my point of view there is something very-very wrong with your cognition. It could be pathological. I honestly don't know.

Regarding the white-phosporous, it was not used ON civilians. That's a lie. It was not against international law to use it as "smoke" and that is what happened. People who are anti-Israel and anti-Jewish are using it for propaganda.

For you, since you have been shown the truth, you are lying if you claim it was used ON civilians, unless you are actually mentally ill.

Lying by omission is even more immoral than stating false words. If you know the truth and are intentionally hiding it, intentionally being deceptive, that is, imo, truly evil.

But, please know that I do not hate people who do evil things. I understand them. For you, I do not think that you are 100% taking pleasure in harming people. I think that it begins with LOVE but it also produces HATE and PURPOSE and all of these are rewarding for you.

Because it feels so very-very good to be filled with LOVE+HATE+PURPOSE in your heart, it can be falsely justified to lie, cheat, mislead, and many other evil actions, because one can point to the LOVE and the PURPOSE and ignore the HATE and the harm.

 

[Bthoth]

You completely missed the point of what I wrote, which makes sense. From my point of view there is something very-very wrong with your cognition. It could be pathological. I honestly don't know.

No need to comment.

Regarding the white-phosporous, it was not used ON civilians. That's a lie. It was not against international law to use it as "smoke" and that is what happened. People who are anti-Israel and anti-Jewish are using it for propaganda.

a.... the 2009 attack is well documented
b...... Israelis actions are not representing Jews or Judaism. Please stop using that scope that what israel does, is about the religion or representing the Jew. That in itself raises the temperature far more than calling me pathological

For you, I do not think that you are 100% taking pleasure in harming people.

I am not harming anyone. I do not have that desire nor have any pleasure in rehashing items of war or misleading beliefs.

War is bad and misleading beliefs are often the cause of wars, division and hate.

 

[dybmh]

No need to comment.

Bro, you commented 5 times and missed the point completely. Then when I asked, are you with me, you answered "absolutely".

So, which is it? are you with me, or not? Did you understand the point I was making, or not?

a.... the 2009 attack is well documented

Which confirms it was NOT used ON civilians.

b...... Israelis actions are not representing Jews or Judaism.

Irrelevant to whether or not white-phosporous was used ON civilians and whether or not YOU are lying about it.

Please stop using that scope that what israel does, is about the religion or representing the Jew. That in itself raises the temperature far more than calling me pathological

Since I'm NOT doing that, this is irrelevant. You're either willfully ignorant, lying, deluding yourself, or pathological. Those are the only 4 possibilities.

I am not harming anyone.

Misinformation. Spreading anti-Jewish anti-Israeli hatred is harm. ( and I think you're harming yourself ).

I do not have that desire nor have any pleasure in rehashing items of war or misleading beliefs.

But you are rewarded for doing it none the less. LOVE+HATE+PURPOSE can feel very very good in the heart, especially if the hatred is always mistaken for something else like "revealing the truth" that has been hidden by an evil elite.

War is bad and misleading beliefs are often the cause of wars, division and hate.

Correct. And that's why I think you should stop doing it. And you just admitted that what you are doing is harmful.

You are perpetuating conflict.

You have been shown the truth about the white-phosporous. Yes, it means that sources you currently trust have not been acccurate. It might be difficult if you have convinced yourself of a specific narrrative over the past 70 years, but, the proper thing to do is reconsider it. Your sources ARE NOT ACCURATE.

 

[Shaul]

It’s complicated it’s complicated it’s complicated give me a break

I understand the frustration with it being a complicated situation. But the reasonable desire for simplicity and clarity just isn't possible. It is a complicated situation even though we may not like that. It is best to face that truth. Some people will continue to seek a simple solution to the complex situation there. Such simple solutions will not work. I think you already know these things. There are solutions, or perhaps improvements is the better word, for the situation. They will require a lot of work and will be complicated. But Justice, Peace and security for all sides are worth the effort.

 

[Bthoth]

Bro, you commented 5 times and missed the point completely. Then when I asked, are you with me, you answered "absolutely".

So, which is it? are you with me, or not? Did you understand the point I was making, or not?

I did look up a definition and quoted it.

I have no need to comment about 'pathological' I am trying to ignore the insults. I was never 'trained' to use insults as a method of discussion.

Which confirms it was NOT used ON civilians.

Funny............... as that is about delusional to write.

Sorry, as i do not like that methodology of how to debate.

Irrelevant to whether or not white-phosporous was used ON civilians and whether or not YOU are lying about it.

I am done with that topic. Why are you still digging on it? Are you expecting me to submit just because you do not have any idea that Israel did in fact use those nasty weapons on civilians?

Since I'm NOT doing that, this is irrelevant. You're either willfully ignorant, lying, deluding yourself, or pathological. Those are the only 4 possibilities.

Yes you are doing that........your next line is proof (evidence)

Misinformation. Spreading anti-Jewish anti-Israeli hatred is harm. ( and I think you're harming yourself ).

That is direst evidence that you consider pointing out the atrocity of phosphorus weapons on civilians is 'anti Jewish'.
In my eyes, to even make that claim is 'anti' (against Jews) and reduces your credibility to no better than HAMAS (hate filled)

But you are rewarded for doing it none the less. LOVE+HATE+PURPOSE can feel very very good in the heart, especially if the hatred is always mistaken for something else like "revealing the truth" that has been hidden by an evil elite.

Gibberish.......

Me....trying to find the good in why a tsion is required and finding the quality rational of a 'house of knowledge' is not evil.

You have been shown the truth about the white-phosporous.

No, you have articles and explanations but lack the integrity to admit the usage did occur and fell upon civilians.

The majority of GAZA are civilians that have been uprooted from Jerusalem/golan and parts of the west bank.

Yes, it means that sources you currently trust have not been acccurate.

are you having fun trying to insult me?

 

[dybmh]

I did look up a definition and quoted it.

That was one tiny piece of the point I am making. On that point, it is not law, it is not knowing or knowledge.

It is a "Teaching" a lesson which is grammatically feminine.

I have no need to comment about 'pathological' I am trying to ignore the insults. I was never 'trained' to use insults as a method of discussion.

you didn't answer the question.

try answering directly and clearly. these are yes/no questions.

"So, which is it? are you with me, or not? Did you understand the point I was making, or not?"

unless you answer yes/no, you are dodging the question. Dodging the question is also answering and speaks volumes.

It means you are aware of the negative implications of answering honestly and clearly to your position and you are choosing not to do that. Not answering means I've made an important point, which do not want to openly admit.

I am done with that topic. Why are you still digging on it?

1) Because you appear to be willfully ignorant and/or willing to lie about it.

2) It's an excellent example, case study, for how the conflict began, and how to flip it back.

3) Doing this case study will require cooperation. You do not seem open to this. The opposite of cooperation is domination. I think it would be healthy for to understand this and acknowledge it in yourself where and when it exists.

Are you expecting me to submit just because you do not have any idea that Israel did in fact use those nasty weapons on civilians?

No. See above.

That is direst evidence that you consider pointing out the atrocity of phosphorus weapons on civilians is 'anti Jewish'.

It didn't happen. Details matter.

In my eyes, to even make that claim is 'anti' (against Jews) and reduces your credibility to no better than HAMAS (hate filled)

If you do not understand Hate, then you would never know .

Gibberish.......

A common accusation made from ignorance.

Me....trying to find the good in why a tsion is required and finding the quality rational of a 'house of knowledge' is not evil.

It is the way you are applying it

And you are completely butchering the meaning of the word Tzion.

No, you have articles and explanations but lack the integrity to admit the usage did occur and fell upon civilians.

One would need analyze the details to make those judgements. It's something, so far, you reject.

The majority of GAZA are civilians that have been uprooted from Jerusalem/golan and parts of the west bank.

Whether this is true or false, it is irrelevant to white phosphorus. Changing the subject concedes the point.

are you having fun trying to insult me?

Not fun, and not an insult, but I am fully committed to this indefinitely. Literally.

I can be wet, cold, hungry, tired, none of that matters. I will never quit. This is important.

 

[Bthoth]

That was one tiny piece of the point I am making. On that point, it is not law, it is not knowing or knowledge.

Just make your point and quit playing games. The teaching tool (torah) is for knowledge and to help a person to know. Fix yourself.

you didn't answer the question.

try answering directly and clearly. these are yes/no questions.

When you stop trying to insult me, I will try to trust you.

"So, which is it? are you with me, or not? Did you understand the point I was making, or not?"

I am not with any person that wants to insult me or others into submission. Is that clear?

It means you are aware of the negative implications of answering honestly and clearly to your position and you are choosing not to do that. Not answering means I've made an important point, which do not want to openly admit.

You are spinning up your own arguments. Stop it. I posted the definition of torah by looking up the term, per your request.
That's done!

1) Because you appear to be willfully ignorant and/or willing to lie about it.

2) It's an excellent example, case study, for how the conflict began, and how to flip it back.

3) Doing this case study will require cooperation. You do not seem open to this. The opposite of cooperation is domination. I think it would be healthy for to understand this and acknowledge it in yourself where and when it exists.

Shut up. You are getting boring with word games..... I will expect you to use 'therefore' next as the delusional method is about as stupid as head banging on a wailing wall (begging).

If you do not understand Hate, then you would never know .

I hate playing your method of insulting to get your way.

is that clear?

I will NEVER accept your training that being against israel is against Jews.

It is the way you are applying it

And you are completely butchering the meaning of the word Tzion.

Dictionary:

definition of Tsion by The Free Dictionary​

The Free Dictionary
https://www.thefreedictionary.com › Tsion



1. a hill in Jerusalem, on which the Temple was built: used to symbolize the city itself, esp. as a religious or spiritual center

OK..... Your regressing.

Yes, that location is a 'stupid hill' by definition.

That part is very clear.
Do you have any idea what it important about that location?

Do you even care why it is required?

Do you have any idea that the capstone of that hill underneath the dome is gone (missing)?

One would need analyze the details to make those judgements. It's something, so far, you reject

NO........... the images do exist, proving the usage and the burned children in the hospitals have the evidence of the gel (white phosphorus) was what caused the damage

Whether this is true or false, it is irrelevant to white phosphorus. Changing the subject concedes the point.

You keep trying to dig into that topic.......................but lack the integrity to do the homework yourself.

Why? You expect me to find the definition of the very word Torah and even Tsion but when you are having to see an atrocity of the 2009 bombings you just cant do it.
.

Not fun, and not an insult, but I am fully committed to this indefinitely. Literally.

you are doing more damage than good.

I can be wet, cold, hungry, tired, none of that matters. I will never quit. This is important.

really? So far you are exposing that your training has practically ruined you and any respect.

I have been trying to find solid ground and you are focused on trying to insult me and attacking me.

If anything you are giving me the evidence that you could not be Jewish.

 

[dybmh]

Just make your point and quit playing games. The teaching tool (torah) is for knowledge and to help a person to know. Fix yourself.

The "teaching", the "Torah", is understanding NOT knowledge. That is the point.

The post you replied to in multiple places was demonstrating 2 things. I am a master of understanding. And I have no fear of anything, with only one exception.

Applied in this context, it is proof that I will take a dozen steps towards you if you will take one step towards me. That is how peace happens. If you cannot do it, then you are a perfect example of what NOT to do, and what went WRONG in the middle east, and what is happening there currently.

When you stop trying to insult me, I will try to trust you.

False victim-hood produces a delusion which is highly rewarding to the false-victim. It sets up a viscious cycle of conflict. The conflict is the reward.

I am not with any person that wants to insult me or others into submission. Is that clear?

Since I am doing neither, there should not be a problem. You read what I wrote, but you didn't understand it. This is, like I said, typical. But because I understand it, I am at peace with this never-ending conflict.

The choice is yours, bro. That is the absolute truth. It is true and consistent in any possible world, the highest standard for truth that exists, you can choose to end this conflict. And that means I am not asking you to submit, unless.

Unless what you desire is absolute domination. If that is your desire, then yes, peace comes from giving up absolute domination.

Is that what you want? A simple yes/no answer should be easy for you. If not, WHY NOT?

You are spinning up your own arguments. Stop it. I posted the definition of torah by looking up the term, per your request.
That's done!

I typed a lot more than the question about the word Torah.

Shut up. You are getting boring with word games..... I will expect you to use 'therefore' next as the delusional method is about as stupid as head banging on a wailing wall (begging).

Your frustration indicates I have you boxed in. Here is my hand, let's be friends. Take the draw and we will share the chamionship.

I hate playing your method of insulting to get your way.

That is an self-reinforcing illusion. Showing you an error is not an insult unless one considers themself INERRANT

is that clear?

I will NEVER accept your training that being against israel is against Jews.

I didn't say it was. I was careful with my words. anti-Jewish is not "against Jews".

Dictionary:

definition of Tsion by The Free Dictionary​

Here is the definition. I gave it to you already.

ציון במשפט תפדה ושביה בצדקה׃

Do you have any idea what it important about that location?

Do you even care why it is required?

Do you have any idea that the capstone of that hill underneath the dome is gone (missing)?

None of that is relevant. No one is fighting over that. Well. The Palestinains are, but you are talking about Israelis.

NO........... the images do exist, proving the usage and the burned children in the hospitals have the evidence of the gel (white phosphorus) was what caused the damage

You cannot be trusted to accurately present the information. If white-phosporous was used ON them, they would not be receiving treatment for burns. This is how I know you are not bringing accurate information.

You keep trying to dig into that topic.......................but lack the integrity to do the homework yourself.

That is demonstrably false.

Why? You expect me to find the definition of the very word Torah and even Tsion but when you are having to see an atrocity of the 2009 bombings you just cant do it.

No, I gave the information, I put it in front of your face, and now you have a choice. Are you a liar or not?

you are doing more damage than good.

No. It probably doesn't feel good in your heart, but, what feels good to YOU in YOUR heart is not more important than a greater good which is defeating your hateful propaganda campaign.

really? So far you are exposing that your training has practically ruined you and any respect.

I doubt very highly you understand the meaning of the word respect. Have you considered it? If you do understand it, then, I have no problem with being disrepected indefinitely by your one-sided philosophy. It's natural and normal. I am completely unphased by your lack of respect. It's a moth buzzing near the campfire.

I have been trying to find solid ground and you are focused on trying to insult me and attacking me.

You have no solid ground. That's why you cannot find it. Again you are repeating this false-victim narrative. Do you remember what you wrote when I repeated myself? Something about how stupid it was, like banging one's head against a wall about some temple?

If anything you are giving me the evidence that you could not be Jewish.

You don't know what the word means. Even typing those words proves you don't know what it means. I am Jewish no matter what I do, always and forever.

ציון במשפט תפדה ושביה בצדקה​

 

[Bthoth]

The "teaching", the "Torah", is understanding NOT knowledge. That is the point.

OK..... If taught to believe a certain model, then it's easy to understand. Just like physics. Even if the model is incorrect. Newtonian vs. string theory.

That was not your point, but you did make one up. I got it.

The conflict is the reward.

I could see that as your preferred method of operation. Argue until you get what you want.

I am at peace with this never-ending conflict.

I know and can see that Peace is not your pursuit but enjoy the conflict

That is the absolute truth.

I am watching it. Argue until the other team member capitulates with exhaustion

It is true and consistent in any possible world, the highest standard for truth that exists, you can choose to end this conflict. And that means I am not asking you to submit, unless.

Unless what you desire is absolute domination. If that is your desire, then yes, peace comes from giving up absolute domination.

Is that what you want? A simple yes/no answer should be easy for you. If not, WHY NOT?

NO.... I do not submit to your domination, just sick of arguing with a dead piece of stone.

I typed a lot more than the question about the word Torah.



Your frustration indicates I have you boxed in. Here is my hand, let's be friends. Take the draw and we will share the chamionship.

Why? Do you think that you win, when a person stops following the nasty method of moving the goal posts

That is an self-reinforcing illusion.

Exactly, telling yourself that you are winning, is an illusion. Practically psychotic to use those tactics and consider it rational.

If that is what your training has created, you expose yourself to be an example of what 'dross' means

Showing you an error is not an insult unless one consider's themself INERRANT

There it is again, I ask you to stop trying to insult me and you turn it to mean that I am still at fault.

I didn't say it was. I was careful with my words. anti-Jewish is not "against Jews".

Of course. You own the definitions and constantly moving the goal posts.

You cannot be trusted to accurately present the information.

And you choose not to read beyond what you are told to lie about

If white-phosporous was used ON them, they would not be receivinng treatment for burns. This is how I know you are not bringing accurate information.

White phosphorus causes severely painful, partial (second degree) to full thickness (third degree) burns,
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (.gov)

That is demonstrably false.

Oh really. Then why do you have to ask me to do the work to correct your ignorance? Even about tsion, through to what white phosphorus does to human beings (civilians)

Are you a liar or not?

Sure, I thought you were a good person worthy of being a friend........

No. It probably doesn't feel good in your heart, but, what feels good to YOU in YOUR heart is not more important than a greater good which is defeating your hateful propaganda campaign.

There is a good example of the mistake I made.

about how stupid it was like banging against a wall about some temple?

Wailing wall is where to find the head bangers. It's about as sad as kissing the dirt 5 times a day.

I am finding out that the mislead expect to be accepted as Jews just to be born.

I have far more respect and LOVE for Jews based on what they do, not who their parents are.

That is why the respect and LOVE for Jews is earned. And if you ever read Torah, the people that follow the rules are the people that g-d loves.

The bigots just expect it.

 

[dybmh]

OK..... If taught to believe a certain model, then it's easy to understand. Just like physics. Even if the model is incorrect. Newtonian vs. string theory.

That was not your point, but you did make one up. I got it.

Nope. You missed the point and replaced it with something else.

I could see that as your preferred method of operation. Argue until you get what you want.

Nope.

I know and can see that Peace is not your pursuit but enjoy the conflict

Nope.

I am watching it. Argue until the other team member capitulates with exhaustion

Nope.

NO.... I do not submit to your domination, just sick of arguing with a dead piece of stone.

Cooperation is not submission unless your desire is absolute domination.

Why? Do you think that you win, when a person stops following the nasty method of moving the goal posts

A draw is not winning. It is sharing the championship.

Exactly, telling yourself that you are winning, is an illusion. Practically psychotic to use those tactics and consider it rational.

Facts are facts.

If that is what your training has created, you expose yourself to be an example of what 'dross' means

Your obsession with "dross" indicates that you desire and value (probably idolize) "purity". It is only possible via absolute domination and elimination of the "dross". In metalurgy, did you know that "dross" is a good thing depending on the circumstance?

Of course not. That would be looking at things from multiple perspectives, finding the good in the bad.

There it is again, I ask you to stop trying to insult me and you turn it to mean that I am still at fault.

Pointing out a fault is not an insult. Your in a debate forum. Entering into a debate is consent too being eexposed to faulty reasoning, and cognitive errors.

Of course. You own the definitions and constantly moving the goal posts.

The word is Hebrew, so, the Hebrew defintion is authoritative.

And you choose not to read beyond what you are told to lie about

Nope.

White phosphorus causes severely painful, partial (second degree) to full thickness (third degree) burns,
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (.gov)

Using it ON civilians produces heaps of charred carcasses. The fire cannnot be put out.

Oh really. Then why do you have to ask me to do the work to correct your ignorance? Even about tsion, through to what white phosphorus does to human beings (civilians)

I don't. I showed you precisely. But you releated assert your inerrant knowledge. At certain point, it's good for you tto reminded how little you know.

Sure, I thought you were a good person worthy of being a friend........

I am those things. And I'm loyal. If you back far enough in time, we are brothers, literally.

Wailing wall is where to find the head bangers. It's about as sad as kissing the dirt 5 times a day.

Your words descibe an author who is a carbon copy of this.

I am finding out that the mislead expect to be accepted as Jews just to be born.

I have far more respect and LOVE for Jews based on what they do, not who their parents are.

That is why the respect and LOVE for Jews is earned. And if you ever read Torah, the people that follow the rules are the people that g-d loves.

The bigots just expect it.

I already told you. I neither expect love, respect, or any other positive emotion. The hatred is too rewarding for you. I don't hate you, I accept you. Exactly as you are, moment to moment. That is the highest from of respect that exists. It is the opposite of asking for submission, but, I doubt you will appreciate it.

 

[Bthoth]

Cooperation is not submission unless your desire is absolute domination.

That is my point. You do not want to work together, you expect capitulation/dominance.

Your obsession with "dross" indicates that you desire and value (probably idolize) "purity".

I learned the term in tanakh, describing the people of israel.

The word is Hebrew, so, the Hebrew defintion is authoritative.

Of course, you expect to be the dominant authority

Using it ON civilians produces heaps of charred carcasses. The fire cannnot be put out.

Can you see how horrible it must be as a weapons upon civilians?

But you releated assert your inerrant knowledge.

I just reminded you, that israel used the stuff on gaza and you dont like it. Has nothing to do with my knowledge or how low your self esteem is.

At certain point, it's good for you tto reminded how little you know.

I know, you told me already. "the Hebrew defintion is authoritative."

I am those things. And I'm loyal. If you back far enough in time, we are brothers, literally.

But people evolve and can be damaged by their training. I prefer keeping the rules of personal responsibility over lying to others or myself to defend israel.

Your words descibe an author who is a carbon copy of this.

what? Are you having a vision?

I already told you. I neither expect love, respect, or any other positive emotion. The hatred is too rewarding.

There is evidence of why you like to fight. You actually get pleasure from inciting hatred.

Lousy training. I wonder what g-d would tell you about such a statement. Heck what will you tell your moshiach when he shows up?

 

[dybmh]

That is my point. You do not want to work together, you expect capitulation/dominance.

It's not true, but you are not listening. I've demonstrated it several times. I have given the only two explanations for your behavior. I will not restate them out of respect.

I learned the term in tanakh, describing the people of israel.

Sure, but, you're not seeing the big picture. It's a story that is teaching a lesson.

Can you see how horrible it must be as a weapons upon civilians?

Of course!

I just reminded you, that israel used the stuff on gaza and you dont like it.

No... you said something, but your credibility is null, and the facts dispute the story you told.

I know, you told me already. "the Hebrew defintion is authoritative."

Correct. If it is a Hebrew word from the Tanach, then the defintion for it in Tanach is authoritative. It means YOU or anyone cannot make up your own defintion for it.

But people evolve and can be damaged by their training. I prefer keeping the rules of personal responsibility over lying to others or myself to defend israel.

The problem with "personal responsibility" is that if a person gets away with their crime they can delude themself into thinking it is somehow permitted.

what? Are you having a vision?

Not at all. You are a person who is banging their head against a wall about a temple, imagining its import, when it is not.

The ones who are fighting because of it are the Paestinians because a crowd of religious Jews showed up and put on a parade for a few hours in their temple. But you cannot get past the hatred for an imagined evil-elite who is hiding things from you.

There is evidence of why you like to fight. You actually get pleasure from inciting hatred.

I'm not fighting. I offered you a truce and friendship multiple times.

Lousy training. I wonder what g-d would tell you about such a statement. Heck what will you tell your moshiach when he shows up?

No...... You're taking it out of context. Lol. I was saying I do not expect respect from you, because your own hatred fills your heart with a feeling which is very-very rewarding. Like I said, it's a toxic combination of LOVE+HATE+PURPOSE filling the heart. Just like any other religious zealot anywhere in the world.

But I do not hate you. I accept you for who you are moment to moment. This is the highest respect that exists. That's what I said.

And because I accept you, and I understand you, if YOU NEED THIS, then, you can have it.

IF YOU NEED THE CONFLICT, YOU CAN HAVE IT. I can do this forever. Or we can stop whenever you choose. But that does require putting away any asipration for absolute domination. Otherwise the conflict never ends.

Yes, part of that conflict is imagining yourself as a victim and me as an enemy. That's fine. Imagine it that way. It doesn't bother me. I'll just keep repeating the offer of friendship and cooperation, because that is what defeats this.

 

[Bthoth]

It's not true, but you are not listening. I've demonstrated it several times. I have given the only two explanations for your behavior. I will not restate them out of respect.

I know I am not listening, this is reading.

Sure, but, you're not seeing the big picture. It's a story that is teaching a lesson.

Sure, i do, Amalek are against what is real.

No... you said something, but your credibility is null, and the facts dispute the story you told.

The facts are clear, in 2008 and 2009, the WP munitions were fired upn gaza civilians by israel and you dont like being aware of that FACT.

Correct. If it is a Hebrew word from the Tanach, then the defintion for it in Tanach is authoritative. It means YOU or anyone cannot make up your own defintion for it.

Because you are a chosen one by the almighty salami (mislead) and the english translation has no meaning, but here you are writing left to right instead of backwards.

The problem with "personal responsibility" is that if a person gets away with their crime they can delude themself into thinking it is somehow permitted.

Exactly the crime of WP on civilians is criminal here in the civilized world, just not Israel. What give you the right to insult me and falsely accuse me, directly? Is that a part of your training to lie cheat and be corrupt and unless your mother tells you to stop, you are allowed to continue doing it?

Not at all. You are a person who is banging their head against a wall about a temple, imagining its import, when it is not.

That is your metaphor, at the wailing wall, that is exactly what it looks like, every day Head banging and then without the heavy metal music is just weird.

The importance has been pointed out, that stupid hill is ZION and why israel even exists in palestine, yet the obtuse and 'trained' will whine because they have no clue what the pursuit is even about. Just that it's custom and they will continue to do it.

The ones who are fighting because of it are the Paestinians because a crowd of religious Jews showed up and put on a parade for a few hours in their temple. But you cannot get past the hatred for an imagined evil-elite who is hiding things from you.

Sorry, but it is the obtuse, that make it seem like a simple parade purely lying to defend what you believe. Fact is, there is no temple there. I will get the parade approved, if you will end all quests to build a temple there.

Deal?

I'm not fighting. I offered you a truce and friendship multiple times.

No you expect capitulation and have been trying to insult me ever since.

No...... You're taking it out of context. Lol. I was saying I do not expect respect from you, because your own hatred fills your heart with a feeling which is very-very rewarding.

There are those attempts again. It's a sickness from the evil that believe that they have a right. I hate, watching someone that claims to be jewish and breaks the laws of g-d as if expecting to be forgiven.

Like I said, it's a toxic combination of LOVE+HATE+PURPOSE filling the heart. Just like any other religious zealot anywhere in the world.

But I do not hate you. I accept you for who you are moment to moment. This is the highest respect that exists. That's what I said.

And because I accept you, and I understand you, if YOU NEED THIS, then, you can have it.

IF YOU NEED THE CONFLICT, YOU CAN HAVE IT. I can do this forever. Or we can stop whenever you choose. But that does require putting away any asipration for absolute domination. Otherwise the conflict never ends.

Yes, part of that conflict is imagining yourself as a victim and me as an enemy. That's fine. Imagine it that way. It doesn't bother me. I'll just keep repeating the offer of friendship and cooperation, because that is what defeats this.

 

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Sure, i do, Amalek are against what is real.

No.... read the story again. That's not what Amalek does.

The facts are clear, in 2008 and 2009, the WP munitions were fired upn gaza civilians by israel and you dont like being aware of that FACT.

Nope. The facts are they were fired in the air away from the civilians.

Because you are a chosen one by the almighty salami (mislead) and the english translation has no meaning, but here you are writing left to right instead of backwards.

Nope.

Exactly the crime of WP on civilians is criminal here in the civilized world

Rightfully so, Israel didn't do that.

That is your metaphor, at the wailing wall, that is exactly what it looks like, every day Head banging and then without the heavy metal music is just weird.

Then stop obssessing about the temple.

The importance has been pointed out, that stupid hill is ZION and why israel even exists in palestine, yet the obtuse and 'trained' will whine because they have no clue what the pursuit is even about. Just that it's custom and they will continue to do it.

But the Israelis are not fighting over it. It's a red-herring.

Sorry, but it is the obtuse, that make it seem like a simple parade purely lying to defend what you believe.

Those are the facts. It was stupid for them to put on such an event. But it wasn't militant, and that's what caused this current war and the Hamas kidnapping murdering and WORSE which you ignore.

Fact is, there is no temple there. I will get the parade approved, if you will end all quests to build a temple there.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to build a temple there. But I agree there's no reason to fight about it. That is the moderate position. People can have their own dreams and aspirations as long as they do not harm anyone. The desire to rebuild the temple is harming no one except for Satan/Samael and the whole demonic crew ( assuming it exists ).

Deal?

No, you are asking for domination over people's hopes and dreams. That's too much. Would you give up your hopes and dreams? Maybe someday the whole world will want the Jewish people to rebuild the temple there. Who knows?

No you expect capitulation and have been trying to insult me ever since.

False-victimhood. If YOU NEED THIS, it's ok to imagine yourself being persecuted.

There are those attempts again. It's a sickness from the evil that believe that they have a right. I hate, watching someone that claims to be jewish and breaks the laws of g-d as if expecting to be forgiven.

You took what I said out of context. You omitted the part where I said I didn't hate you. I don't expect YOU to forgive me. I don''t expect anything from you except to oppose anything that is not absolute domination. The desire to build the temple reminds you that there is a group that answers to a higher authority.

This is infuriating for everyone. I totally understand. You think your "knowledge" should be supreme, but, it's not. No matter how much "knowledge" you aquire, the Jewish people will always answer to a higher power. It doesn't matter how much you evolve, it will never be high enough.

That's it. Get over it. Even if the temple is never built, it will still be in the hearts and minds of the Jewish people, and given the opportunity, it will be rebuilt. And there's nothing wrong with that... unless...

Unless you desire absolute domination and the construction of a temple interferes with that.

Sorry, you cannot have absolute domination. That is too much.