North Carolina Magistrate refuses to marry interracial couple.

[Sonofason]

Oh this is a fact, is it? Why don’t you tell us how long lesbians live? You guys always seem to ignore them. Gee, I wonder why.

I’ve seen people try to pass off this excuse a thousand times before and what you never seem to realize about it is that you are actually talking about promiscuity. Your problem lies with promiscuity, not homosexuality.


Oh, is someone forcing you to marry a person of the same sex as yourself? No? Then what’s your problem?


Never mind the fact that a majority of people in the industrialized western world now seem to have no problem with gay marriage.


I find this argument silly anyway. Let’s suppose that a majority of people in the US supported bringing back slavery and only a small minority (probably those who would be enslaved) are against it. Would it then be moral to reinstate slavery? I mean, how dare the minority force their morals upon the majority!

Again, is someone holding a gun to your head forcing you to watch Brokeback Mountain or Will and Grace? No? Then what’s your problem? You can’t just turn the channel like everyone else does when something is on TV that they aren’t interested in? Should I start a crusade to get Duck Dynasty off the TV because I don’t like it, or could I just turn the channel when it’s on?

Not to mention that the VAST majority of movies, literature, and television shows still depict heterosexual relationships. You can’t just watch one of those? It’s just too much for you that something else exists in the world that you don’t agree with? So much so that it must be terminated?


How about the spiritual issues that gay people experience? That doesn’t matter to you? How about the stress imposed on them by people who wish to demonize and marginalize them from society?

You don’t have to accept anything. Don’t like gay marriage? Don’t marry someone of the same sex as yourself. Easy peasy. Feel that stress just flow away!

Who’s being intimidated into silence? Certainly not yourself, as you are currently sharing your beliefs and opinions with the rest of the forum.


Yeah, there’s a real indoctrination problem in telling kids that gay people exist in the world. The horror! Never mind that any one of them could be gay; we wouldn’t want them to feel like we’d still accept them as human beings if there were gay. The immorality of it all!


This is a problem …. Why?




Comparing rape, murder and pedophilia to homosexuality is ridiculous.

And again, you don’t seem to give a rat’s behind about the stress experienced by the people you wish to demonize and marginalize.

You're right, I don't give a rats behind about the stress sinful people bring upon themselves for engaging in their sins.

 

[Sonofason]

I meant that it is often perverse as is, and that overall changes have been progress, although there are many clear examples were this is not the case. But we have banned slavery, more people are allowed to vote, we have jury trials that require evidence, we have work safety laws, and with more places legalizing same-sex marriage, we are definitely making progress towards laws that are making society more equal and extending more legal protections to the many rather than the few privileged. But we must be vigilant, as many laws are taking steps backwards, such as allowing the TSA to perform highly invasive and entirely unnecessary body searches, or laws that penalize being poor and homeless and punish those who try and help them.

I'm glad you agree. Laws do not always change for the better. In fact, if God's laws were enforced, there would be very little to talk about here.

 

[Sonofason]

I think he just did.

A fallacious argument that concludes a proposition is true because many or most people believe it. I think your wrong. And I guess this lame statement of yours is additional evidence?

 

[columbus]

If what I have said is demonstrably false, then by all means, demonstrate that what I have said is false.

I quoted exactly what I was responding to. Your claims that a minority is forcing something on the majority. That is false. The majority of the USA supports general rights and marriage equality for gay people.
Tom

 

[Sonofason]

I think he just did.

fallacious argument that concludes a proposition is true because many or most people believe it. I think your wrong.

I quoted exactly what I was responding to. Your claims that a minority is forcing something on the majority. That is false. The majority of the USA supports general rights and marriage equality for gay people.
Tom

And yet you still fail to demonstrate that you are correct. Evidence? Or is that only something required of those who have faith in the existence of a God?

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, I will stand firm in what I've said. Love has nothing to do with it. It is perhaps one of the worst reasons to be married.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-the-name-love/201404/is-love-really-essential-marriage

You're really going to assert that love has nothing to do with marriage, or with the human condition? I'm not sure how you think you can get away with that.

Nobody is denying that there is more to marriage than love.
Love is a huge part of marriage, and life in general, that is necessary for human beings (and other animals) to flourish.

 

[Sonofason]

I quoted exactly what I was responding to. Your claims that a minority is forcing something on the majority. That is false. The majority of the USA supports general rights and marriage equality for gay people.
Tom

Actually, I looked it up myself, and have discovered that you are right. In the USA most favor gay marriage rights.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You're right, I don't give a rats behind about the stress sinful people bring upon themselves for engaging in their sins.

Wow that's pretty heartless. Maybe nobody cares about the "stress" you experience when people do things that don't affect you in any way at all.

That's really all you have to say in response to that entire post? You concede the other points then?

 

[Sonofason]

You're really going to assert that love has nothing to do with marriage, or with the human condition? I'm not sure how you think you can get away with that.

Nobody is denying that there is more to marriage than love.
Love is a huge part of marriage, and life in general, that is necessary for human beings (and other animals) to flourish.

What of those who love two people equally. We should allow polygamy as well, right?
And what of those who love children. Shall we allow adults to marry children? Maybe you're right. Maybe we should.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

In fact, if God's laws were enforced, there would be very little to talk about here.

If your god's laws were enforced (and it is a very strong emphasis on your god), there would be open revolt and many unhappy people (especially since slavery would be allowed but bacon would be banned).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You're right, I don't give a rats behind about the stress sinful people bring upon themselves for engaging in their sins.

Many of my "sins" do not bring me stress. Other people can stress me out, but doing things your god says is a no-go bring me no stress, and they often bring joy and pleasure.

 

[SkepticThinker]

A fallacious argument that concludes a proposition is true because many or most people believe it. I think your wrong. And I guess this lame statement of yours is additional evidence?

You said this:

“Legalizing gay marriage in virtually heterosexual society means having the morals of the minority forced upon the majority.”

To which Columbus replied:

“Fortunately, this is demonstrably false.
A substantial and growing majority in the USA are coming to a different conclusion. Even totally heterosexual people can see that marriage equality is better for everyone.”

Which is true. So in fact, the minority is not forcing it's morals on the majority.

 

[Revoltingest]

I see that you are fully capable of making claims. Are you also capable of backing up any of your claims?

Which one?

 

[SkepticThinker]

What of those who love two people equally. We should allow polygamy as well, right?
And what of those who love children. Shall we allow adults to marry children? Maybe you're right. Maybe we should.

I don't have a problem with polygamy if everyone involved is a consenting adult.

Pedophilia DOES NOT INVOLVE 2 CONSENTING ADULTS.

There is lots of polygamous marriage talked about in the Bible.

 

[columbus]

Actually, I looked it up myself, and have discovered that you are right. In the USA most favor gay marriage rights.

I tend to be very skeptical about the accuracy and meaning of polls about hot button social issues. But the numbers over all have been moving steadily for years in the same direction.
And I am confident that after a few years of marriage equality and such they will be much higher than they are now. Because the fact is that gay people just aren't that different from anybody else, and that will become increasingly apparent to the rest of us.
The rates of irresponsible sex and drug use will start to dropoff and we'll all be better off.
God will like that, regardless of what Moses thought about it.
Tom

 

[Sonofason]

Oh this is a fact, is it?

I believe it is.

Why don’t you tell us how long lesbians live?

I really don't care how long lesbians live.

You guys always seem to ignore them. Gee, I wonder why.

Well, personally speaking, while I find lesbian behavior to be deviant and sinful, it is not nearly as disgusting as homosexual behavior. But you're right, sin is sin.

I’ve seen people try to pass off this excuse a thousand times before and what you never seem to realize about it is that you are actually talking about promiscuity. Your problem lies with promiscuity, not homosexuality.

I am also against promiscuity, and I do know the difference.

Oh, is someone forcing you to marry a person of the same sex as yourself? No? Then what’s your problem?

I believe homosexuality adversely affects society. You don't have to agree.

Never mind the fact that a majority of people in the industrialized western world now seem to have no problem with gay marriage.

Yes that would not weigh in to my own evaluation whatsoever.

I find this argument silly anyway. Let’s suppose that a majority of people in the US supported bringing back slavery and only a small minority (probably those who would be enslaved) are against it. Would it then be moral to reinstate slavery? I mean, how dare the minority force their morals upon the majority!

Yes of course, might makes right.

Again, is someone holding a gun to your head forcing you to watch Brokeback Mountain or Will and Grace? No? Then what’s your problem? You can’t just turn the channel like everyone else does when something is on TV that they aren’t interested in? Should I start a crusade to get Duck Dynasty off the TV because I don’t like it, or could I just turn the channel when it’s on?

It's not so much me worrying about me. I'm worried about you.

Not to mention that the VAST majority of movies, literature, and television shows still depict heterosexual relationships. You can’t just watch one of those? It’s just too much for you that something else exists in the world that you don’t agree with? So much so that it must be terminated?

You asked for evidence, I gave you evidence.

How about the spiritual issues that gay people experience? That doesn’t matter to you? How about the stress imposed on them by people who wish to demonize and marginalize them from society?

If they were to repent from their sins, they would not be marginalized.

You don’t have to accept anything. Don’t like gay marriage? Don’t marry someone of the same sex as yourself. Easy peasy. Feel that stress just flow away!

Nope, still there.

Who’s being intimidated into silence? Certainly not yourself, as you are currently sharing your beliefs and opinions with the rest of the forum.

Well I am of course. And it is you who is trying to intimidate me.

Yeah, there’s a real indoctrination problem in telling kids that gay people exist in the world. The horror! Never mind that any one of them could be gay; we wouldn’t want them to feel like we’d still accept them as human beings if there were gay. The immorality of it all!

Of course they are human beings. And I wouldn't expect you to understand my perspective.

This is a problem …. Why?

Because homosexuality is deviant behavior and detrimental to all of society.

Comparing rape, murder and pedophilia to homosexuality is ridiculous.

I think you are wrong.

And again, you don’t seem to give a rat’s behind about the stress experienced by the people you wish to demonize and marginalize.

You're right...I don't.

 

[columbus]

What of those who love two people equally. We should allow polygamy as well, right?

I'm pretty conservative on that subject myself. I see lots of problems with polygamy. But the only legal issue I see is recognition of such, which I think is a bad idea for various reasons.

And what of those who love children. Shall we allow adults to marry children? Maybe you're right. Maybe we should.

If anything I would raise the legal age of consent. Too many people get married and start having babies when they can't even take care of themselves.
Tom

 

[Sonofason]

Many of my "sins" do not bring me stress. Other people can stress me out, but doing things your god says is a no-go bring me no stress, and they often bring joy and pleasure.

Not something to be proud of in my opinion.

 

[Sonofason]

I tend to be very skeptical about the accuracy and meaning of polls about hot button social issues. But the numbers over all have been moving steadily for years in the same direction.
And I am confident that after a few years of marriage equality and such they will be much higher than they are now. Because the fact is that gay people just aren't that different from anybody else, and that will become increasingly apparent to the rest of us.
The rates of irresponsible sex and drug use will start to dropoff and we'll all be better off.
God will like that, regardless of what Moses thought about it.
Tom

I hope you're right.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not something to be proud of in my opinion.

I don't think she's proud of being 'sinful'.
I speculate she just enjoys it, & feels no shame.
So do I.