Not a Terrorist Insurrection

[anna.]

They laughed at Trump. Bwa-ha-ha-ha.

Cruz is not Trump. Cruz is as charismatic and alpha male as a moldy orange in the back of the fridge.

But I acknowledge your point - no one expected Trump, not even Trump.

 

[F1fan]

It's quite clear.
I'm trying to make it so to you.

My go to source....
Definition of terrorism | Dictionary.com
1) the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives.
2) the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism.

The insurrection was an assault. The civilian population &
government (as a whole) weren't in fear. It was a highly
targeted attempt to take over the Capitol building.
The mere fact that AOC & some others were frightened
isn't terror in the context of the definition.

Well I understand your point but based on reports from many lawmakers inside the Capitol it seems the vast majority were running for their lives. Pence was removed quickly. Romney was going down a hall and a police officer running their way turned them around and they all ran. There were members unsure if they would be killed because reports of "hang Mike Pence" were heard. Testimony of lawmakers informs us many of them called loved ones for a final goodbye given how many folks in 9-11 didn't have that chance.

We don't know what the rioters would have done if they had gotten ahold of prominent members of Congress. I don't think we can give these people any benefit of the doubt.

 

[F1fan]

It's not national born but naturalized citizens. He may have been born in Canada, but his parents where there on business and not as permanent residents. So Cruz is indeed eligible.

Right. John McCain was born in Panama to America parents and was able to run as well.

And as we know Obama was born in Kansas. But since there was a time when Kansas wasn't a state, back before 1863, and black people weren't citizens, republicans insist he was illegitimate, even though Republicans released the slaves after the Civil War, but that was back when republicans were liberals, so a lot has changed, and... what was my point?

 

[Revoltingest]

Well I understand your point but based on reports from many lawmakers inside the Capitol it seems the vast majority were running for their lives. Pence was removed quickly. Romney was going down a hall and a police officer running their way turned them around and they all ran. There were members unsure if they would be killed because reports of "hang Mike Pence" were heard. Testimony of lawmakers informs us many of them called loved ones for a final goodbye given how many folks in 9-11 didn't have that chance.

We don't know what the rioters would have done if they had gotten ahold of prominent members of Congress. I don't think we can give these people any benefit of the doubt.

Would you generalize this to say that every violent (or threats
thereof) political act that results in some people being fearful
is by definition "terrorism" without exception?

I think you're somewhat letting them off the hook by making
it about the weak claim of terrorism, rather than focusing
upon the clear crime of insurrection.

 

[F1fan]

It's not a terrorist attack.

It was a domestic threat. If you don't like the word terrorist, fine. These trump supporters were a domestic threat. Many seem to still pose a threat to the USA in various ways.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Act against the State. Treason.

 

[Father Heathen]

BS.

Its not a terrorist attack.

Insurrection is more appropriate as I see it. This country has issues and Democrats definitely played a part in causing this to happen.

When someone is pushed too hard expect someone to push back.

I don't like what happened , but to a degree I see why it occurred.

So when a bratty child breaks a lamp because they didn't get their way, whoever didn't give them what they wanted is at fault?

 

[F1fan]

Would you generalize this to say that every violent (or threats
thereof) political act that results in some people being fearful
is by definition "terrorism" without exception?

I think you're somewhat letting them off the hook by making
it about the weak claim of terrorism, rather than focusing
upon the clear crime of insurrection.

I think when a group is deliberately hostile, and is threatening the lives of those they oppose, and then use violence as part of their organized plans, then yes, it can be classified as terrorism. Obviously not all the people who got in, or who attended, meant to do harm to the highest extreme, but they were dumb enough to believe trump and follow his advice to go to the Capitol and do their duty.

That rally should never have happened. All those who attended were duped by lies trump told. Many republicans still believe the Big Lie. One of trumps aids has testified that trump was gleeful when the riot was happening. Trump kept rewinding the cable feed and saying "These people are doing this for me".

We can't trust these people. We can't really predict what they will do next. According to a person to studies civil wars around the globe she predicts there will be the typical modern civil war, and that will be more violence against the government and people deemed threats. She stated that voting rights will be crucial to minimize this type of civil war coming to the USA.

 

[Father Heathen]

Most are misdemeanor offences, so stop over dramatizing the reality.

The felonies lay with those who entered the inner sanctum including the chambers.

Attempt to downplay it all you want, they're still traitorous trash.

 

[F1fan]

What do you see as "pushed too hard"?

A fair and secure election where trump didn't win.

 

[Father Heathen]

Only if Hillary is in tow....

If she's actually guilty of anything, sure.

This "...but, but, but Hillary!" and "...but, but, but the dems!" everytime the right gets its nose rubed in its own **** gets old.

 

[F1fan]

If she's actually guilty of anything, sure.

This "...but, but, but Hillary!" and "...but, but, but the dems!" everytime the right gets its nose rubed in its own **** gets old.

He didn't mention emails or Benghazi. So odd.

 

[Father Heathen]

He didn't mention emails or Benghazi. So odd.

It's adorable how quickly their moral compass disappears and reappears based on the political allegiance of the accused.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Libertarians....the biggest losers in politics.

Is there a reason for that? Are we not, after all, a social species that needs to find some means of succeeding together? That is, in my view, a big part of party politics, and of course libertarians (small "l") aren't "party" at all.

@Revoltingest I do get where you're coming from -- I really do. I've tried to tell you about my politics, which is all confused -- liberal about how people should live their lives, a capitalist because that's where wealth is built, but concerned that even capitalism (like all human activities) can't be totally unfettered, that we need rules. It's messy, I agree. But as a "Libertarian," you ought to be prepared for that.

 

[F1fan]

It's adorable how quickly their moral compass disappears and reappears based on the political allegiance of the accused.

It's quite bold if any of them dare be online on Jan 6, because they are sure to be rattled by the mass of citizens who are still horrified by trump and republicans today. Only a few republicans today have the dignity and obligation of duty to the USA these days. We the people cannot trust republicans. We have no reason to trust republicans at any level as very few acknowledge their allegiance to the USA.

 

[F1fan]

Is there a reason for that? Are we not, after all, a social species that needs to find some means of succeeding together? That is, in my view, a big part of party politics, and of course libertarians (small "l") aren't "party" at all.

The biggest weakness of Libertarians is human beings. Libertarians want few laws, and more personal responsibility. But we can see daily that many Americans are not responsible people. They aren't even accountable once caught being unethical or immoral or criminal. We are a people who need many laws. The laws are not needed for the many, but the few who are not personally responsible. These bad actors pose a threat and there is little ways to teach them anything useful about social contract. trump is one such person.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Attempt to downplay it all you want, they're still traitorous trash.

I couldn't have said it better myself, Father Heathen.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's quite bold if any of them dare be online on Jan 6, because they are sure to be rattled by the mass of citizens who are still horrified by trump and republicans today. Only a few republicans today have the dignity and obligation of duty to the USA these days. We the people cannot trust republicans. We have no reason to trust republicans at any level as very few acknowledge their allegiance to the USA.

Their transformation into an incoherent cartoon cult has been a bizarre spectacle; a malignant tumor that actually sees itself as the heart of the nation.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I took it as being born on American soil in a literal sense.

I don't think that was ever the intention as it would disqualify a lot of military kids, foreign ambassadors, and others who it would seem absurd to disqualify their kids because mom and/or dad was working for the country.
But last I looked into it , curious about Cruz' eligibility back one of the times he was a hopeful, it wasn't really a concrete definition and assumed to be based on British law on the subject. And really in the case of Cruz, amd those in his situation, it would be an insult to say he's not "American enough" just because his parents traveled for work.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think when a group is deliberately hostile, and is threatening the lives of those they oppose, and then use violence as part of their organized plans, then yes, it can be classified as terrorism. Obviously not all the people who got in, or who attended, meant to do harm to the highest extreme, but they were dumb enough to believe trump and follow his advice to go to the Capitol and do their duty.

That rally should never have happened. All those who attended were duped by lies trump told. Many republicans still believe the Big Lie. One of trumps aids has testified that trump was gleeful when the riot was happening. Trump kept rewinding the cable feed and saying "These people are doing this for me".

We can't trust these people. We can't really predict what they will do next. According to a person to studies civil wars around the globe she predicts there will be the typical modern civil war, and that will be more violence against the government and people deemed threats. She stated that voting rights will be crucial to minimize this type of civil war coming to the USA.

By your reasoning, BLM & Antifa are also terrorists.
Setting cars on fire, attacking people, attacking city
halls....all the same as flying airplanes into buildings,
& bombing public places.
You can see how this expansion of the term makes
it so broad as to lose meaning.