"Oh my god, you're SO white."

[Stellify]

Ah, so it's just a bunch of teeny boppers who've bought into the extremely commercialized and shallow MTV hip hop culture and developed a sense of self hatred at the expense of taste and tact.

Pretty much. I would definitely say it's more of a younger generation thing.

Yeah, people who demand respect and tolerance from others and yet are disrespectful and intolerant themselves don't deserve it.
I also find the cultural notion that whites should feel ashamed and guilty for some reason and that they somehow "deserve" to be the target of bigotry to be quite pathetic. I also find it pathetic how people actually try to defend certain kinds of racism as "understandable" or 'acceptable". Either racism is wrong or it's not. You can't really have it both ways unless you don't mind being a blatant, two-faced hypocrite.

:yes:

 

[Smoke]

See now, if I were her I'd be offended. And really, I think the offense is even greater when it comes from another black person.

It was always another black person -- and she was offended. On a couple occasions, I heard her say something like, "I'm not going to apologize for speaking English better than you."

 

[Stellify]

:clap

 

[Dezzie]

I can totally see what you are saying here... it is nuts. I could never understand why it is like that. I personnally don't care either if someone makes a white joke to me. I am proud to be who I am as well... Sometimes I don't understand why we all can't just work together... no matter the color of our skin or the races we are. It is ridiculous really. The world would be a ten times better place. :yes:

 

[Mathematician]

I think it's all situational. Since I don't make enemies (call it natural charm ), I'm able to respond to such statements with a counter remark - not in a hateful way, just playful. I could see where in some communities it's seen as acceptable to make fun of "whitey" but nobody else, but I've dealt with a lot of multi-cultural areas where that's not much of a problem. Through my observations I've realized non-racism isn't avoiding racial jokes, it's everyone making fun of each other and laughing at themselves.

I think we've all laughed at jokes about whites, Jews, blacks, Asians, and Middle Easterners. They're funny precisely because we realize how absurd our stereotypes are, yet for some reason a lot of individuals will go out of their way to fit a stereotype.

 

[Father Heathen]

I think it's all situational. Since I don't make enemies (call it natural charm ), I'm able to respond to such statements with a counter remark - not in a hateful way, just playful. I could see where in some communities it's seen as acceptable to make fun of "whitey" but nobody else, but I've dealt with a lot of multi-cultural areas where that's not much of a problem. Through my observations I've realized non-racism isn't avoiding racial jokes, it's everyone making fun of each other and laughing at themselves.

I think we've all laughed at jokes about whites, Jews, blacks, Asians, and Middle Easterners. They're funny precisely because we realize how absurd our stereotypes are, yet for some reason a lot of individuals will go out of their way to fit a stereotype.

Of course there isn't anything wrong with lighthearted, tongue-in-cheek, satirical remarks regarding race when everyone is in on the joke, but that's not what we're talking about here. And even if it were, there would still be the problem of inconsistent standards; the idea that it's okay to make jokes about Race X, but unacceptable to make jokes about Race Y.

 

[stacey bo bacey]

I think it's all situational. Since I don't make enemies (call it natural charm ), I'm able to respond to such statements with a counter remark - not in a hateful way, just playful. I could see where in some communities it's seen as acceptable to make fun of "whitey" but nobody else, but I've dealt with a lot of multi-cultural areas where that's not much of a problem. Through my observations I've realized non-racism isn't avoiding racial jokes, it's everyone making fun of each other and laughing at themselves.

I think we've all laughed at jokes about whites, Jews, blacks, Asians, and Middle Easterners. They're funny precisely because we realize how absurd our stereotypes are, yet for some reason a lot of individuals will go out of their way to fit a stereotype.

No, joking in good fun on other races is totally fine..even jokes that are slightly offensive are fine, depending on your audience...but everyone has to be fair game...and it can't be imbalanced. Like FH said:

there would still be the problem of inconsistent standards

Like it's ok to make hundreds of white jokes but we'll just throw in the occasional, safe [insert race] joke to make it "ok." That's how I see it happening today.

 

[Comicaze247]

I think it's more directed at white Americans in particular. If you go to any European country, you'll find a lot of people look down on you just for being American (if you don't speak the language), because it's the common idea around the world that Americans are ignorant and self-centered. And quite honestly, I believe this has some truth to it.

The majority of people I know wouldn't have a clue what's going on in other countries. What issues they face, who's being elected in their country, or if there's even an election going on (except for Iraq, but that's because our troops are there).

And for people within the country, I believe the stereotype has been applied strictly to white Americans. Honestly, I think the phrase has the same meaning as the ancient insult as "you're such a square," as that's the context I've heard it used in the most.

 

[PureX]

Ok, I have heard this MANY, MANY times...sometimes directed at me. (Which I don't mind because I love that I'm white). But it's said as a joke or an insult.

HOW is this ok? I have long been fed up with this expression. What if I said, "God, you're SO black/hispanic/asian." My *** would be either beaten or called a racist.

How come every other group can get away with sneering, "Ugh, you're so white."

Even on the news tonight, the newsguy was like "...is the WHITEST sport *chuckle*." ?!?! And if someone dared to say on air, "...is the blackest sport *chuckle*.." what would happen to him?

This is ridiculous. What does everyone else think?

It's so white of you to be agitated about this! haha

 

[smiler001]

Got a point racism seems to be a one way rule is many occasions of today,
just like the word ****** can be said from one black person to another but not from white to black.

 

[Stellify]

Got a point racism seems to be a one way rule is many occasions of today,
just like the word ****** can be said form one black person to another but not from white to black.

Speaking of that word...
Back in high school, in a class where I was one of three white kids, my history teacher asked: "So, can anyone tell me where the n-word originated?"
One kid raised his hand and answered, "Yeah...that's what we call eachother..like 'bro' or something." :cover:
I was the only person in the class that knew. Literally, the only one (other than the teacher, of course) that knew that it had originated as a derogatory term used by whites in reference to blacks
The next class we had the teacher asked, "Does anyone know what NAACP stands for?"
Once again, I was the only one When I answered, one of the other kids goes "How did you know what that stood for?" I answered that it was a huge part of US history and had a lot to do with the equalization of blacks in America...so the kid goes "Then how did we never hear about it?"
:cover:

I really didn't even know how to respond at that point.
:run:

 

[stacey bo bacey]

Got a point racism seems to be a one way rule is many occasions of today,
just like the word ****** can be said form one black person to another but not from white to black.

:yes: That is insanely hypocritical. I don't even agree that THEY should be able to call each other that. But, if they're going to deem it acceptable, then it's fair for everyone to use that word. (Even though I still wouldn't...I don't really like how it sounds).

 

[Smoke]

:yes: That is insanely hypocritical. I don't even agree that THEY should be able to call each other that. But, if they're going to deem it acceptable, then it's fair for everyone to use that word.

Oh, come on. I've heard Irishmen call each other Micks plenty of times, but I knew better than to use the word myself, and if one of my gay friends calls me a *** it's a lot different than if a straight person does it. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. Some epithets can be used within a group, but can't politely be used by people outside the group.

 

[Comicaze247]

It's just a group thing.

My sister and her friends call each other *****es all the time. But if someone outside their group were to call them a *****, it would be offensive. It's all about context.

 

[Father Heathen]

Speaking of that word...
Back in high school, in a class where I was one of three white kids, my history teacher asked: "So, can anyone tell me where the n-word originated?"
One kid raised his hand and answered, "Yeah...that's what we call eachother..like 'bro' or something." :cover:
I was the only person in the class that knew. Literally, the only one (other than the teacher, of course) that knew that it had originated as a derogatory term used by whites in reference to blacks
The next class we had the teacher asked, "Does anyone know what NAACP stands for?"
Once again, I was the only one When I answered, one of the other kids goes "How did you know what that stood for?" I answered that it was a huge part of US history and had a lot to do with the equalization of blacks in America...so the kid goes "Then how did we never hear about it?"
:cover:

I really didn't even know how to respond at that point.
:run:

That says a lot about our society and culture.

 

[leahrachelle]

Ok, I have heard this MANY, MANY times...sometimes directed at me. (Which I don't mind because I love that I'm white). But it's said as a joke or an insult.

HOW is this ok? I have long been fed up with this expression. What if I said, "God, you're SO black/hispanic/asian." My *** would be either beaten or called a racist.

How come every other group can get away with sneering, "Ugh, you're so white."

Even on the news tonight, the newsguy was like "...is the WHITEST sport *chuckle*." ?!?! And if someone dared to say on air, "...is the blackest sport *chuckle*.." what would happen to him?

This is ridiculous. What does everyone else think?

I totally agree. My dad was talking about this the other day - black people for example can have things like black music awards, but if we did that, we'd be completely racist. How is that fair?

 

[Comicaze247]

Speaking of that word...
Back in high school, in a class where I was one of three white kids, my history teacher asked: "So, can anyone tell me where the n-word originated?"
One kid raised his hand and answered, "Yeah...that's what we call eachother..like 'bro' or something." :cover:
I was the only person in the class that knew. Literally, the only one (other than the teacher, of course) that knew that it had originated as a derogatory term used by whites in reference to blacks
The next class we had the teacher asked, "Does anyone know what NAACP stands for?"
Once again, I was the only one When I answered, one of the other kids goes "How did you know what that stood for?" I answered that it was a huge part of US history and had a lot to do with the equalization of blacks in America...so the kid goes "Then how did we never hear about it?"
:cover:

I really didn't even know how to respond at that point.
:run:

Just for the future, print out this picture:

If ever you're faced with another situation like that, just show them this.

 

[Smoke]

I totally agree. My dad was talking about this the other day - black people for example can have things like black music awards, but if we did that, we'd be completely racist. How is that fair?

Nonsense. "We" do it all the time, but "we" don't generally think of "white" as an ethnic group. "We" have Irish-American, Greek-American, Italian-American, German-American, and all kinds of other similar awards. Nobody calls those awards racist, nor should they. African-American awards aren't racist, either.

 

[Magic Man]

I told one of my students the other day, "If you think something's stupid, you need to use another word to describe it. I don't care for that."

She apologized profusely. I'm never offended the first time I hear somebody say it, but I do call them on it, and the second time is a different matter.

That's interesting. At my last job, my closest friend out of my co-workers was a gay guy, and we talked about this one time. He didn't have a problem with it as long as it wasn't used in certain situations (of course, I wouldn't use it in place of "stupid", it's much more specific than that). We actually even talked about the PSA that Dallas mentioned.

 

[Reverend Rick]

If other groups of people want to use epithets, we should just ignore them, it would be the white thing to do.