I beg to differ:
(And in a futile attempt to keep the conversation on track, let me remind you that the document below is LOADED with factual claims, and we should be focused on facts, correct?)
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Ohio Governor's Transgender Decision
- Thread starter metis
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I beg to differ:
(And in a futile attempt to keep the conversation on track, let me remind you that the document below is LOADED with factual claims, and we should be focused on facts, correct?)
Heyo
Veteran Member
And ...
That should be listed in the package insert (as I'm sure it is) or, if it isn't deemed safe for use by the FDA, the confirmation as puberty blocker should be retracted.
I see no reason to take this drug out of the hands of doctors who know and can evaluate the risks described by a legislative body who doesn't have any expertise.
It's complex to be sure. Do you have any thoughts about the options listed in post #178?
One of the problems around this topic is that it has become SO politicized, from everywhere.
How many pages of Google results did you have to go through to find that PDF?
The facts are clear on the matter, so my focus is on why you're so determined to willfully ignore them.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Yep, that's why the solution is to keep politics out of it. Let the professionals do their job.
Do you think trans kids are more important than gay kids?
But the professionals are under a LOT of political pressure, and mostly not from politicians, but from activists.
What are you on about?
Never mind - I don't care about whatever red herring you're about to pull out.
go read post #178 - no red herrings
I would have called that post a red herring, but I can go with "irrational crap" if you prefer.
Now back to my question: why are you so determined to willfully ignore the facts?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No, they aren't and even in California I have met opposition from professionals.
Amd again with your blaming the activists. How dare trans people amd allies get active about speaking up for the dignitiy of trans people amd demanding recognition of who we are.
Heyo
Veteran Member
So, to take away the pressure from the "activists" you suppose to replace it with even more pressure from the legislature?
Two points:
1 - Which facts do you think I'm ignorant of?
2 - Do you think trans kids are more important than gay kids?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
False dilemma.
I think we need to get unbiased, unpressured experts to take an honest look at GAC. As it stands, I think:
- the evidence supporting the efficacy of GAC is of very low quality (as I detailed in the earlier RF thread)
- the safety and reversibility of GAC is grossly overstated
- the use of GAC throws a lot of GD, gay kids under the bus, and isn't it the case that gay kids outnumber trans kids maybe 1000 to 1?
This revisiting of GAC is happening across Europe in countries with far better healthcare results than the US. These countries are discontinuing GAC for at least the reasons I gave above.
I believe that if you support GAC you are (consciously or not), making trans kids more important than gay kids.
Instead, we need to find solutions that support both groups of kids, but GAC does not.
Heyo
Veteran Member
No objection here.
That has to be determined. As you stated above, the evidence is of low quality.
By government intervention?
Despite you not being able to coherently explain why you hold this belief.
Your posts suggest you have some wild ideas about gender-affirming care, so it seems to me like - if you're sincere - you just grabbed a bundle of bad claims off some TERFs and took off running without any regard to whether those claims are reasonable.
It's a long thread, so you might have missed my explanation. So I'll try it again, but one step at a time:
Do you agree that a lot of kids with GD are not trans, but ultimately discover that they are gay?
That's a complex question, but as a starting point I would say we should look at the model used by the best healthcare systems in Europe. They tend to have a central, medical authority, which the US does not have.