Subduction Zone
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No, this is pure homophobia on your part. You are assuming that a person that transitions is attracted to the sex that was assigned to them at birth. Why can't a transwoman be attracted to women?
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Ohio Governor's Transgender Decision
- Thread starter metis
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You suggested a want for stats.
I provided relevant ones.
I avoided discussion with you for obvious reasons.
Every now and then, your posts give a glimpse of your warped view of your opponents. It's... interesting.
Surgery on kids under 18 is rare. Under 18, medical treatment for trans kids is generally:
- before puberty: counselling only
- at onset of puberty: puberty blockers
- in later teen years: hormone treatments (maybe)
The Ohio bill would have prohibited most of this care outright, and it would have forbidden family courts from considering a parents' refusal to acknowledge their child's gender identity as a factor in custody hearings.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No, that's you the way you try to weaponize gay kids, along with transohobic by assuming trans kids are gay and denying who they are stating you have to see then that way or you're homophobic.
Transphobic.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Which was exactly what Ohio's governor was saying when he went against the wishes of his own party.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I think that some people are so used to Republicans screwing up, and especially in Ohio, that they cannot quite realize that for once a well known Republican did the right thing.
If a GD kid grows out of GD, that's NOT detransitioning, right? That kid never transitioned in the first place. That kid went from being confused about their gender to not confused. Nothing to regret.
Sorry for the confusion. We're talking about kids with GD. We do not know whether that kid will end up straight, gay, or trans. Many kids with GD - who do not get GAC drugs or surgeries - end up gay.
So far so good?
As I said earlier, your article is about a different topic than the one under discussion.
Why not make sure we understand each other before you start in with the personal attacks, ffs.
No, I understand that that's a standard course of action using GAC. I get it.
But many kids with GD who receive no drugs, grow out of their GD and end up being gay. Do you get that?
I'll say the same thing to you that I just said to rev: why don't you make sure you understand other posters before you launch personal attacks?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Um, they prevented the government from preventing the people from choosing and receiving medical care, so you have it completely backwards.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
So allowing people to make their own medical choices is "nanny state", but preventing them from making their own medical choices is not? Logic is definitely not your strong suit.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Thank you for making these wonderful personal attacks. It's nice, but when you have something of real substance to say, let me know. Have a nice day
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
You're claiming that allowing people to make their own medical choices is a "nanny state", but banning them from doing so somehow isn't. You had it completely backwards, which is ****-poor logic. It's an objective observation of the argument you put forward.
Your posts suggest you don't get it.
Puberty blockers are reversible by just going off them. Do you get that?
I care more about the harm of the position you're advocating than your specific motivations for arguing it.
And I don't really care about splitting hairs between "this guy wants to hurt trans kids" and "this guy's arguments are entirely consistent with wanting to hurt trans kids, but there's some nuance that makes it not perfectly accurate to say he wants to hurt trans kids."
Nothing to add.
That's a myth, and a dangerous one.
But for the sake of discussion, let's say that that PBs were safe and reversible. The reality is that once you start a kid on PBs, they're extremely likely to continue on to hormones, and they're unlikely to grow out of GD and resolve to being gay.
So once you start in with PBs, GD kids who were probably just gay will not get the chance to let nature take it's course.
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To me, if you're a parent with a GD kid you have several options:
1 - ignore it - that seems like a bad option
2 - use only talk therapy and see if the GD resolves without drugs. For kids who resolve to being gay, this seems like the best option.
3 - use only talk therapy and delay drugs until they're older. The downside here is that if the kid IS trans, delaying drugs will allow their body to change in ways they find uncomfortable.
4 - use GAC, which typically means drugs early on. IF (and that's a big IF), the kid is actually trans, then this might be the best option. BUT, you ARE inflicting a lifetime of medical treatments on this kid. These drugs have serious, lifetime side effects, including lack of sexual function. So GAC often results in a lifetime with no orgasms - a high price.
With most non-life-threatening medical situations for which a diagnosis is not possible, doctors shy away from extreme measures like GAC.
So to ignore option 2 seems morally wrong to me. Are trans kids more important than gay kids? Not to me they're not.
See, as long as you agree that they have options, then you are in agreement with the Ohio Governor.
Nonsense.
They are. And we have plenty of evidence to support this.
Just like pretty much every aspect of gender-affirming care for trans people, puberty blockers are mostly used for reasons.
In the case of puberty blockers, they're mostly used for (predominantly cis) kids going through precocious puberty. If a kid starts puberty at age 5 or 6, they're prescribed puberty blockers until they're at an appropriate age for puberty. At that point, they come off the blockers and go through puberty as normal.
And just like other aspects of gender-affirming care for trans people, we have decades of high-quality evidence from the treatment's use on cis people demonstrating that it's safe and effective.