Ohio sheriff tells residents to "write down the addresses" of Harris-Walz supporters

[Kathryn]

Most people see racism and xenophobia as basically the same. Which is why I guess the very first definition that popped up for me listed them both in the same sentence, and also listed prejudice. I am tired of being labeled as a racist when I definitely am not one.

 

[Revoltingest]

And I posted this:

xenophobia​

noun​

1. an aversion or hostility to, disdain for, or fear of foreigners, people from different cultures, or strangers:
   Xenophobia and nationalism can be seen as a reaction to the rise of globalization.
2. fear or dislike of the customs, dress, etc., of people who are culturally different from oneself:
   Learning a foreign language can help to overcome xenophobia

Which ties directly into what you were saying about people being fearful of other peoples' cultures.
Hence the reason I posted it in response to your post where you stated that.

And you're trying to quibble about whether it's racist or not in nature? I don't know. But it's xenophobic, according to my understanding and definition of xenophobia. Your "direct tie to racism" isn't included in your definition, but rather in the sample sentence written underneath. And notice in that sample sentence, it's used separately from the word "xenophobia" as though they're two different things.

"the resurgence of racism and xenophobia"

See?

Sometimes there is culture clash.
As a commercial landlord, I've dealt with people from many
different countries. Some Mid-East countries have a culture
such that negotiation begins after the lease is signed, ie, they
don't honor the terms. This is also well known here regarding
tenants from NYC...called "Area Code 212 Syndrome".

 

[Pogo]

Most people see racism and xenophobia as basically the same. Which is why I guess the very first definition that popped up for me listed them both in the same sentence, and also listed prejudice. I am tired of being labeled as a racist when I definitely am not one.

OK, agreed, but you would do well to understand that the more accurate classification of xenophobic is unfortunately the better label and claiming success because you are not racist is damning yourself with faint praise.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Most people see racism and xenophobia as basically the same.

Most people think actively doing something that's aggressive counts as passive aggressive.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There were too many refugees in too short a time. Neither party had time to acclimate.

Growing up in Scarborough, Ontario in the 80s and 90s, our community had so many Sri Lankan refugees that a third of the students at my high school were ESL. At the same time, there were so many newly-arrived Roma refugees that Immigration booked out every motel room in town to house them all.

This influx changed the character of the community... and that's okay.

Convenience stores turned into small South Asian groceries. Suddenly, we were celebrating things like Tamil Heritage Day. School calendars would list the dates for Diwali the way they would for Rosh Hashanah and Ramadan.

It's okay if immigration changes a community even when that immigration is under the best of circumstances. But when we're talking about refugees, we have an obligation to help, and IMO it's unethical to refuse help for reasons like needing "time to acclimate." These are people who are at risk of death or extreme hardship if we don't let them in, so we let them in.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Let the residents speak out (see my source) - I don't live there.

Give me an example of real, tangible harm the migrants are doing.

Meanwhile, I am not a racist, and I don't appreciate your labeling me as one.

I don't really care what you appreciate. If you don't want to be called racist, stop using the exact same arguments that racists use.

 

[Kathryn]

Give me an example of real, tangible harm the migrants are doing.


I don't really care what you appreciate. If you don't want to be called racist, stop using the exact same arguments that racists use.

I am not a racist. In fact, my entire immediate family looks like a UN delegation, including the man I married and had kids with. And I have already given a link to a town hall meeting that happened before the accusations from Trump and Vance and won't do so again. By the way, an unlicensed migrant killed a child. I guess that's real, tangible harm in your book. But I don't know for sure.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I am not a racist. In fact, my entire immediate family looks like a UN delegation, including the man I married and had kids with. And I have already given a link to a town hall meeting that happened before the accusations from Trump and Vance and won't do so again.

Do you understand that racists often use the "clash of cultures" argument to justify racism?

Again, I'm not going to watch a town hall meeting. Either you can concisely tell me the harm that is occurring, or obviously there is none and the basis of your objection to people of one culture being allowed to live around people of another culture is racism. I don't care what your family looks like.

 

[Kathryn]

Do you understand that racists often use the "clash of cultures" argument to justify racism?

Again, I'm not going to watch a town hall meeting. Either you can concisely tell me the harm that is occurring, or obviously there is none and the basis of your objection to people of one culture being allowed to live around people of another culture is racism. I don't care what your family looks like.

See my expanded post.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

See my expanded post.

Please provide further information on this "unlicensed migrant" that killed a child, and explain why the harm of this is attributable to migrants broadly.

 

[Kathryn]

Please provide further information on this "unlicensed migrant" that killed a child, and explain why the harm of this is attributable to migrants broadly.

Nope, you can look it up if you want.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Nope, you can look it up if you want.

No, you can provide evidence of your claim. It's your claim, so it's your burden. That's how this works. And are you going to explain your reasoning as to why this one case justifies broad retaliation or negativity against all migrants?

I mean, I'm pretty sure native US citizens kill children, too. You'd hardly use that as an argument to deny all native-born citizens basic rights, or justify the argument that native citizens culture "clashes" too much with other cultures.

 

[Kathryn]

No, you can provide evidence of your claim. It's your claim, so it's your burden. That's how this works.

You just told me not to provide a link so I won't again.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You just told me not to provide a link so I won't again.

No, I told you I wasn't going to watch a town hall meeting. You're free to provide basic links.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I mean, I'm pretty sure native US citizens kill children, too. You'd hardly use that as an argument to deny all native-born citizens basic rights, or justify the argument that native citizens culture "clashes" too much with other cultures.

It's funny how myopic their position is. When white Christians commit the same crime at a higher rate, they put the blinders on. Let's deport those folks also, maybe back the country their ancestors came from.

Undocumented Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S.-Born Citizen Rate

An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and...

nij.ojp.gov

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Nope, you can look it up if you want.

We can look up the reasons why you want to blame all migrants for what one migrant did?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It's funny how myopic their position is. When white Christians commit the same crime at a higher rate, they put the blinders on. Let's deport those folks also, maybe back the country their ancestors came from.

It's very telling that, when asked for the real, tangible harm that immigration causes, the best they can come up with is isolated incidents of immigrants doing exactly the same things natives do (often at higher rates).

Yet, curiously, they never mention migrants being able to do things like, I dunno, provide medical care.

I guess they think it's better to kick them all out. That way, they can have the dignity of being run over by a good, old-fashioned native US driver, followed by a slow and agonising death because all the paramedics would have been migrants.

 

[Kathryn]

It's funny how myopic their position is. When white Christians commit the same crime at a higher rate, they put the blinders on. Let's deport those folks also, maybe back the country their ancestors came from.

Undocumented Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S.-Born Citizen Rate

An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and...

nij.ojp.gov

Well, you'd have to go back to the 1730s or even the 1640s or so with my ancestry. And I haven't killed anyone, or even hurt anyone.

 

[Kathryn]

We can look up the reasons why you want to blame all migrants for what one migrant did?

You can watch the town hall meeting in which citizens describe the way so many migrants operate motor vehicles.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You can watch the town hall meeting in which citizens describe the way so many migrants operate motor vehicles.

Will it be any different from the racist "Chinese people can't drive" trope that was going around when I was a teenager?