Oklahoma Republican Doesn't Like That You Can't Hit Kids ...Even Those with Impairments

[Kenny]

I read what you said twice.

You know, if you think I've misread what you've said, instead of telling me I'm "triggered" by it, which is rather dismissive, you could try explaining what you meant in another way and point out where I've made an error.

Lots of things trigger me to the trauma I've endured in my life and that causes me to have panic attacks, but your comments on this board are not among them.
Apparently you have no idea how dismissive and insensitive it is use the word "triggered" in the mocking manner in which you are using it.

Instead, maybe try explaining yourself better.

Well, if you would just use the words I used instead of replacing with words I didn’t use, it probably wouldn’t be viewed as being “triggered”.

Did I not say that “abuse” is not accepted? Did I not say there is a difference in understand between “hitting”and “correcting?

So, if you can actually quote me where I said those are acceptable (when I said it isn’t) - it is still a “triggered” response.

Try rereading it a third time. For some, the third time is a charm.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

My husband and I raised seven children without resorting to hitting them as a form of discipline to correct their behavior. All of them grew up to be well-adjusted and productive individuals.

My mom spanked all her kids. All of us without exception are adults who are more concerned about not getting caught and view rules as more like nonbinding suggestions.

My husband and I were berated by other Christians for "sparing the rod" and told that our children would be uncontrollable and rebellious if we didn't discipline them as the Bible instructed.

Funny how that works. That what they say you must do to avoid producing a child who grows up into am adult me runs a very high risk of an adult like me. Rebellious, anti-authority, back talk, and basically doing what I want.
The fun thing is science amd really observing the world supports us. Don't hit your kids. Period. We can't hit an adult. It's barbaric to think it's ok to ever hit a child.

 

[Secret Chief]

Unless it's done properly, eg, using a
belt instead of a whip because the
welts are smaller, & heal faster.

Watch this fundamentalist PSA....

My wife was "corrected" as a child by her father. Her mother often reminded him to correct her in a place not visible once she had her school uniform on.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well, if you would just use the words I used instead of replacing with words I didn’t use, it probably wouldn’t be viewed as being “triggered”.

Did I not say that “abuse” is not accepted? Did I not say there is a difference in understand between “hitting”and “correcting?

So, if you can actually quote me where I said those are acceptable (when I said it isn’t) - it is still a “triggered” response.

Try rereading it a third time. For some, the third time is a charm.

So that's a hard no from you.

And you went ahead and called me triggered again, as though we're in the fourth grade, instead of just admitting you can't defend your position nor clarify what you actually mean.

Have a nice day.

 

[Twilight Hue]

25 Quotes in 2,500 Years Proving We Always Blame the Younger Generation

This is not new.

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“[Young people] are high-minded because they have not yet been humbled by life, nor have they experienced the force of circumstances.
…
They think they know everything, and are always quite sure about it.”

Aristotle

That dosent negate at all that there are actually generations notably worse then the last one.

Seems to go in cycles.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well, if you would just use the words I used instead of replacing with words I didn’t use, it probably wouldn’t be viewed as being “triggered”.

Did I not say that “abuse” is not accepted? Did I not say there is a difference in understand between “hitting”and “correcting?

So, if you can actually quote me where I said those are acceptable (when I said it isn’t) - it is still a “triggered” response.

Try rereading it a third time. For some, the third time is a charm.

That's dismissive and cold to say that to someone who just told you past trauma can elliciting some negative feelings.
Do you worship your god with that heart?

Did I not say that “abuse” is not accepted? Did I not say there is a difference in understand between “hitting”and “correcting?

My mom will state abuse is bad. She truly believes it. She will never accept she herself was abusive and gets hyper defensive anytime the subject of her kids having abuse filled childhoods comes up.
Hitting/spanking children is abuse. You don't have to call it that for it to be true. Research has shown it time and time and time again, with extensive metastudies showing that if anything it sets children up for a range of possible bad outcomes, like becoming a bully, learning physical violence is an ok means of problem solving, and not learning a proper sense of right amd wrong amd instead evaluating decisions on chances of getting caught.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

My mom spanked all her kids. All of us without exception are adults who are more concerned about not getting caught and view rules as more like nonbinding suggestions.

Funny how that works. That what they say you must do to avoid producing a child who grows up into am adult me runs a very high risk of an adult like me. Rebellious, anti-authority, back talk, and basically doing what I want.
The fun thing is science amd really observing the world supports us. Don't hit your kids. Period. We can't hit an adult. It's barbaric to think it's ok to ever hit a child.

First and foremost, I'd like to say that I am so sorry that you had to go through that. I agree that it is barbaric to think it's acceptable to hit a child. I went through years of counseling to help me cope with the childhood trauma of being hit (spanked) and abused by my Christian parents. I know how you feel.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well, if you would just use the words I used instead of replacing with words I didn’t use, it probably wouldn’t be viewed as being “triggered”.

Did I not say that “abuse” is not accepted? Did I not say there is a difference in understand between “hitting”and “correcting?

So, if you can actually quote me where I said those are acceptable (when I said it isn’t) - it is still a “triggered” response.

Try rereading it a third time. For some, the third time is a charm.

Or another example. A child services client who wasn't abusive and we were in the wrong. In frintof her kids she did hard drugs and had to go to the hospital. She had a string of abusive boyfriends. Her oldest had to take care of the kids, and had some serious issues stemming from the abuse he suffered.
The mom? She probably still doesn't accept she was abusive and neglectful even though she showed up to some visitations with meth levels that revealed addiction, usage to function and usage a few hours before hand. She wasn't abusive though. Being abusive is bad and she'd never hurt her kids.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That dosent negate at all that there are actually generations notably worse then the last one.

You're still on this?
I usually disregard the generation thing (too problematic), but the so-called Silent Generation (more like an inbetween) produced Manson, Bundy, and Kaczysnki, with the 40s and 50s producing more serial killers than anyother decade, followed bythe 60s.
Gen X down has far fewer.

 

[Kenny]

So that's a hard no from you.

And you went ahead and called me triggered again, as though we're in the fourth grade, instead of just admitting you can't defend your position nor clarify what you actually mean.

Have a nice day.

Nice side step… but I’m good with that.

 

[Kenny]

That's dismissive and cold to say that to someone who just told past trauma is elliciting some negative feelings.
Do you worship your god with that heart?

How so?

My mom will state abuse is bad. She truly believes it. She will never accept she herself was abusive and gets hyper defensive anytime the subject of her kids having abuse filled childhoods comes up.

It is quite possible she did. Sorry you went through it.

Hitting/spanking children is abuse.

My children wouldn’t agree with your perspective as my correction was with love.

You don't have to call it that for it to be true. Research has shown it time and time and time again, with extensive metastudies showing that if anything it sets children up for a range of possible bad outcomes, like becoming a bully, learning physical violence is an ok means of problem solving, and not learning a proper sense of right amd wrong amd instead evaluating decisions on chances of getting caught.

I actually gave a PDF that was very clear that

1) It is still a hotly debated subject
2) Studies show that their results don’t differentiate abuse from loving correction
3) They don’t look at other mitigating circumstances.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

That's dismissive and cold to say that to someone who just told past trauma is elliciting some negative feelings.
Do you worship your god with that heart?

Ironically, the Bible says something to the effect of "out abudance of the heart, the mouth speaks" (Matthew 12:33–35; Matthew 15:18–19; Luke 6:45). To be honest, I would think that a pastor would be familiar with these scriptures, would know better than to post sarcastic and unkind remarks, and would want to set a better example for others to follow. I think that it is sad that a pastor has to be reminded of these biblical teachings, whether online or in person.

My mom will state abuse is bad. She truly believes it. She will never accept she herself was abusive and gets hyper defensive anytime the subject of her kids having abuse filled childhoods comes up.
Hitting/spanking children is abuse. You don't have to call it that for it to be true. Research has shown it time and time and time again, with extensive metastudies showing that if anything it sets children up for a range of possible bad outcomes, like becoming a bully, learning physical violence is an ok means of problem solving, and not learning a proper sense of right amd wrong amd instead evaluating decisions on chances of getting caught.

Well said, in my opinion.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Nice side step… but I’m good with that.

Now you're projecting.

 

[Revoltingest]

What scripture do you have to support this warped thinking?

Some scripture has been cited, but I don't pay attention
to such things. Christians themselves state the basis
for using the rod on children.

 

[Revoltingest]

LOL…keep dreaming my friend… keep dreaming.

I'm trying to infer what you believe from
your posts, but they've been too cagey
to pin beliefs down.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How so?

It's the way you're flaunting this idea she's having knee jerky triggered reactions.
It's poking at something that hurts and telling someone to quit being a wuss.
Except she said you aren't doing that but you kept jabbing with this triggered thing.

It is quite possible she did. Sorry you went through it.

She definitely did. She once told me she could replace me. But no, she was never abusive towards her kids.

My children wouldn’t agree with your perspective as my correction was with love.

Hitting people can never be done in love. Violence can never be done unto another as an act of love towards the victim.

I actually gave a PDF that was very clear that

1) It is still a hotly debated subject
2) Studies show that their results don’t differentiate abuse from loving correction
3) They don’t look at other mitigating circumstances.

It's debated like evolution. It's not seriously debated in academic circles or among clinicians or researchers, it only has people who are frightenly too eager to hit children and encourage others to do it.
It's debated like vaccines amd autism. No one worth the ink printed on their degree claims there's a link and there is no serious debate.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Some scripture has been cited, but I don't pay attention
to such things. Christians themselves state the basis
for using the rod on children.

I thought I'd point out the fact that the exact phrase "spare the rod, spoil the child" is not actually in the Bible. I referenced it because it was always thrown in my face by Christians. However, whenever they said it to me and my husband, they would always mention Proverbs 13:24 and sometimes Proverbs 22:15.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Some scripture has been cited, but I don't pay attention
to such things. Christians themselves state the basis
for using the rod on children.

Proverbs 13:24. The whole chapter is basically pro-blindly doing as your told, anti-unbeliever and anti-getting money except anyway but labor.
24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

 

[Kenny]

I'm trying to infer what you believe from
your posts, but they've been too cagey
to pin beliefs down.

Perhaps because you are not open to my point of view?

 

[Revoltingest]

Perhaps because you are not open to my point of view?

Don't try to shift blame to me when you both
oppose hitting children, & then justify hitting
children.
Please state whether you favor or oppose
corporal punishment based upon the Bible.