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On Universalism

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
honey...
if you had to do that everyday because of my irresponsibility, you'd do more than just grumble... especially after stepping in it several times...
No, I wouldn't. I've been in that situation, and it's far too trivial to do anything else.

my point is that we each have our own predisposition's...me, as the jerk, can be as happy as a fly on dog poop
you, the victim, are not so happy and are forced to deal with my refusal to take responsibility and culpability...even though you are minding your own business.
Yeah. What's that got to do with Universalism? I'm trying to see your point, I really am.

what i do think matters is the level of integrity and self respect we have for ourselves that end up policing our actions towards one another...even though that may not matter in the scheme of things.
"If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do." :)
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
No, I wouldn't. I've been in that situation, and it's far too trivial to do anything else.
you're a better person than i... :yes:

Yeah. What's that got to do with Universalism? I'm trying to see your point, I really am.
what's the point in figuring "it" out if we are given unlimited chances?
in my mind it's like religious socialism to the extreme...
whereby the system is set up to be taken for granted over and over again

"If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do." :)
:yes:
given the fact one cares what they do...
 

SageTree

Spiritual Friend
Premium Member
Yea, no doubt Storm...

on "it", I tend to lean towards the journey being the destination as they say. :D
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
you're a better person than i... :yes:

..

Hello waitasec

What does believing the idea that each person is responsible for one's own act mean? Does it not mean that the chronic anti-social will face consequences of his own actions? Every scripture makes this point clear. Once, I have this conviction about responsibilty, I will in fact pray for the anti-social person.
 

kylixguru

Well-Known Member
What do you think of the doctrine of Universalism?

Stemming from Christianity, Universalism teaches universal salvation. In my own words, it's the belief that no matter how low we sink, God's love runs deeper.

So, what do you make of it?
Loving someone cannot stop them from making a complete mess of themself if that's what they are hell bent to do.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Loving someone cannot stop them from making a complete mess of themself if that's what they are hell bent to do.
I would answer, but you'll just say you have no interest in conversation again. Which leaves me to wonder why you keep talking to me.
 

kylixguru

Well-Known Member
I would answer, but you'll just say you have no interest in conversation again. Which leaves me to wonder why you keep talking to me.
I'm willing to talk to you in this thread.
Perhaps we might figure out how to get along and appreciate one another.
I'm open to it.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Well, isn't that what this thread is for?
Or, did you want a one-on-one format?
No, this thread is for Universalism. While that's a component of my beliefs, it's a drop in the bucket, and I'd like to keep this thread focused.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Frankly, Storm, not a lot.

Then reject the very idea of the need for salvation. You're already halfway there, make the leap.

It is always amusing when something that is patently obvious is regarded as being "great insight".

If they are not implying the threat of judgment, then why, perchance, were they ever called commandments? Why were they not called "The 10 Helpful Suggestions".

So, the Judgment doctrine is simply false. OK. Good enough. :rolleyes:

So, are you saying that UU's are full of it? Or are they perhaps, just full of themselves? My guess is this is just another placebo to instill a sense of self-righteousness in the individual that is not apparent in the world they find themselves in.

It is likely because people perceive lipstick being applied to the face of the proverbial piggy.

Probably because you are just another group that pretends to have answers that no one else has or know the religions of others better than the adherents of those religions do. By declaring that all religions are special you succeed in confirming that none of them are special or exclusive and sadly you tar yourself, by default, with the same brush.

I disagree, I think we have heard enough from those who think they know better than the rest of us.

It's a pretty idea, but also one that is not very realistic. Pretending our differences away will not erode those differences.

This strikes me as abject drivel emanating from the mind of one who has succumbed to the pablum of intellectual dishonesty. Simply referring to Mother Teresa, in somewhat saintly tones, is enough to earn a big red F for his paper.

My guess is that the reason why UU sentiments have not gained wide acceptance is because most can see through its namby-pamby, Kumbayah, sentimentality.
Who relieved themselves in your Wheaties this morning???

I agree wholeheartedly with Storm, and I'll tell you why.

We are all in need of salvation, because we all turn away from the Divine. Earthly parents don't punish their children for ever when they misbehave. We are told that if we, as earthly parents, know how to give our children good things, how much better things does God give us? God will not punish us for ever. Mercy overrides judgment.

God created us for relationship. Since it's God's creation, I have every faith that God will eventually get what God desires.

The POV of the Biblical writers (and including Jesus) was far more communal than we give them credit for. Salvation is for humanity, not individual humans. Either we all cross the finish line, or nobody does. Since I have faith in the paragraph above, I have faith that, someday, all humanity will be together with God.

It isn't saccharin -- it's biblically-based.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I'm still all for universalism.

Just sayin'

I think it was Caladan a few pages back who was moaning about the futility of humanity in "being good," or in "improving." I don't think universalism has anything to do with how messed up we are. It has everything to do with how loving God is.
 
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Prophet

breaking the statutes of my local municipality
I believe the doctrine of Universalism quoted in the OP is a correct interpretation of 1 John 4:18 which says there is no fear in love, but, rather, that perfect love, once experienced and understood, exposes the irrationality inherent in fear of all things.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
What do you think of the doctrine of Universalism?

What has always puzzled me is why it didn’t sweep the world?

What do you think.............. ? Beautiful. Quite beautiful.

Why didn't it sweep............? So few people know anything about it.
I have seen and wondered about UU for a few weeks now, and was not sure enough.... to connect Unitarianism and Universalism together.

Why don't we all flood in........? Unitarian Universalism, by its very nature, could..... 'allow to wander away' ..... the whole population. Most western people seem to go shopping for salvation. They wander the malls, peering into the windows, and judging the quality of the displays and the prices (or costs) of brandnames. Do we get discounts? How about garauntees? Where do I go to complain? I want credit! etc......

And so, even if salvation was funded for massive advertising and TV shows were celebrities could assure all of 'quality of service'and 'five star accomodation in heaven'........ here's what you get!....... less people would take the free sample than might be imagined....... I guess.

Now...... if you offered 'keys on table' partner and spouse swapping, spanking sessions for naughty men (I might believe.... yes.... I can see it all now!) and other tantalsing 'special offers' you could fill your faith full in no time.

Don't worry, most of us (especially the naughty men for spanking) are so thick that we won't figure out that we get it all anyway!
 
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