Orban meets Putin for peace talks

[Magic Man]

So since we are speaking of Donbas civilians, you are admitting that Kiev killed its own citizens?
Its own civilians?
Now wonder why they voted to be in the Russian Federation. Through referendum.

They didn't. Again, that was a "referendum" put out by Russia while they controlled the area. Of course it just happened to heavily favor them. It's propaganda, not fact, so please stop saying it.

Kosovo became a NATO country. So all of it. It became a US colony, as we Italy are a US colony.
We are US' property.

None of that made any sense at all. There's no such thing as a "NATO country". NATO is just an alliance of countries. Being part of NATO doesn't make them a "U.S. colony", and Italy has never been a U.S. colony or U.S. property. These are some of the weirdest claims I've seen, and that's saying something.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The problem of Europe is that there is a lounge-loving left that serves the bankers and the yacht-owners.
And they call themselves leftists.

Real leftists are socialists who are against the banking élites and the technocrats.

In fact in Italy the socialists literally hate the banking-loving left.

Once again that has nothing to do with the post you are replying to.

 

[Stevicus]

Yes, but properly formulated it reads: will Ukraine be able to defend their country against an invading aggressor, or will they be destroyed / conquered?

And that would also entail a military objective of dislodging and forcing out the Russian forces currently occupying their territory. Whether or not the question is "properly formulated" in your eyes is beside the point. The question still stands.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

And that would also entail a military objective of dislodging and forcing out the Russian forces currently occupying their territory. Whether or not the question is "properly formulated" in your eyes is beside the point. The question still stands.

I think connotations matter.

The way you formulated it, it implied that Ukraine had a choice.

Russia is the one with "military goals".
Ukraine is locked in a struggle for survival.

 

[Stevicus]

I think connotations matter.

The way you formulated it, it implied that Ukraine had a choice.

Russia is the one with "military goals".
Ukraine is locked in a struggle for survival.

Well, the choices they have need to be rooted in practical reality and the military logistics of the situation they're facing. The Russians currently occupy a portion of their country. They are not leaving of their own free will, so under those circumstances, they have to be removed forcibly, through military means. That is the cold, hard reality of what they are facing. Do you disagree with that?

 

[oldbadger]

I must have repeated it 1000 times.
I cannot criticize what Russia did in Donbas.
Because it's exactly what the United States did in Kosovo.
USA invaded Serbia to save Kosovar separatists from persecution.

That's exactly what Russia has been doing.
The perpetrator here is Ukraine.

It looks as if you think Mr Putin is saving Ukrainians in Ukraine....is that right?

What a strange way to save folks!

 

[Estro Felino]

It looks as if you think Mr Putin is saving Ukrainians in Ukraine....is that right?

What a strange way to save folks!

No. He is saving Russians who by a strange case of destiny, happen to live in Donbas, Ukraine.

 

[David1967]

Orban is the President of the European Council right now.
A real man in a Europe filled with male politicians who are really disappointing.

This image has irritated the elitist cabal of warmongers overseas (who are on the verge of a stroke) and of course, the EU technocrats.
Who don't represent the European peoples.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hungarys-orban-says-no-position-negotiate-between-ukraine-russia-2024-07-05/

European Officials Say Orban 'Exploiting EU Presidency' By Visiting Putin For Ukraine Talks

European leaders on July 5 slammed Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban for his visit to Russia to meet with President Vladimir Putin, accusing him of shaking hands "with a bloody dictator" and of "exploiting the EU presidency position to sow confusion."

www.rferl.org

Peace will be a matter a time. In Europe peace will triumph and Russia will be considered an ally in the future.
So dear allies overseas: Abandon all hope. Peace will triumph.
Your thirst for war will not be satiated.

I hope you're right. Our administration over here seems to want to drag us into yet another forever war, draining our taxpayers to fill the pockets of the industrial military complex. As a father I say to the politicians, stop killing our children in your unnecessary proxy wars.

 

[David1967]

How dare he talk about peace.

We need more politicians trying to work out peace rather than throwing other people's children into the meat grinder of war.

 

[David1967]

I really can't post what I am thinking so I will jsut post this and leave this thread forever...

Exactly. "Peace sells, but who's buying?" Certainly not the political powers that profit from it. As always, war is a rich man's game and a poor man's fight.

 

[GoodAttention]

Exactly. "Peace sells, but who's buying?" Certainly not the political powers that profit from it. As always, war is a rich man's game and a poor man's fight.

Ukraine will want to make some major gains before coming to the table, and now the pilots are all trained up the F-16s should be making an appearance soon so lets see what happens.

 

[Estro Felino]

Ukraine will want to make some major gains before coming to the table, and now the pilots are all trained up the F-16s should be making an appearance soon so lets see what happens.

You know...Mussolini was executed because he had dragged Italy into an useless war.

 

[GoodAttention]

You know...Mussolini was executed because he had dragged Italy into an useless war.

Seems very fitting for a dictator who miscalculated the situation and overestimated Italy's military prowess.

 

[Revoltingest]

I hope you're right. Our administration over here seems to want to drag us into yet another forever war, draining our taxpayers to fill the pockets of the industrial military complex. As a father I say to the politicians, stop killing our children in your unnecessary proxy wars.

Do you believe USA is assisting Ukraine only
because some cabal (MIC) is forcing government?

 

[Estro Felino]

Seems very fitting for a dictator who miscalculated the situation and overestimated Italy's military prowess.

Something Ukraine has been doing.
It's an ant trying to fight a cow.

 

[Estro Felino]

Do you believe USA is assisting Ukraine only
because some cabal (MIC) is forcing government?

Forcing is not the exact word.
Money opens any door.

 

[Stevicus]

 

[Revoltingest]

Forcing is not the exact word.
Money opens any door.

You offer no specifics.
Just a vague generality.
Putin loves you.

 

[Revoltingest]

Eisenhower was a politician.
They say things, true or otherwise, to manipulate the populace.
He offered no evidence.
No one ever has.
You believe anyway.
Liberals just love his conspiracy theory.
And as we see, it's a popular argument against helping Ukraine.

If you guys would stop electing & re-electing war mongers,
then perhaps USA would wage fewer wrongful wars, eh.
But just blaming a conspiracy, & failing to recognize the
agendas of whom you elect will continue the same old
same old.

 

[GoodAttention]

Something Ukraine has been doing.
It's an ant trying to fight a cow.

Ant is doing well considering since they haven't surrendered.

What do you want Ukraine to do?