I am not sure of what you mean.
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Origin of life
- Thread starter FearGod
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I am not sure of what you mean.
I hope you are not implying that I am such a person. That would be incredibly judgmental and arrogant.
Acintya_Ash
Bhakta
Mind is Subtle Matter. Its existence is nowhere seen. Its magnitude cannot be measured. It does not require a space in which to exist. Mind and matter are two aspects as subject and object of one and the same all-full Brahman, who is neither and yet includes both.
Mind precedes matter. This is Vedantic theory. Matter precedes mind. This is scientific theory. Mind can be said to be immaterial only in the sense that it has not the characteristics of ponderable matter. It is not, however, immaterial in the sense that Brahman (Pure Spirit) as such is. Mind is the subtle form of matter and hence the prompter of the body.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
No one did, i was expressing my opinion and i don't care what the others want to choose.
Monk Of Reason
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The understanding abiogensis is lacking in most people it seems. I don't think anyone can say for sure that they fully understand it and I, for sure, can say that no one knows exactly how it happened. The broad bit of it consists of early Early earth and its creation of simple organic compounds due to volcanic and other activities. Life as we know it are made up of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen and nitrogen. These are four of the five most common elements in the universe and on earth. The only one excluded from this is helium and that is because on a chemical level it is absolutely useless. It doesn't react well with anything and does nothing interesting in chemical interactions. However the other four do. These four elements in the right conditions, which in reality is not hard to do or even rare, can begin to react chemically
When you have those 4 elements (mainly carbon, oxygen and hydrogen) you get a compound. There are two compounds of interest called a carboxyl and amino. These two with a side chain unique to them are called an animo acid. Strings of these amino acids are called polymers. Some polymers are joined together by peptide bonds. These then function and can begin to replicate. The more complex the protien the more complex the function. This is the beginnings of life. An RNA strand (which is for purposes of this post half of a DNA strand) is simply a string of these protiens in a longer band. They can provide a wide range of functions and eventually lead to the creation of DNA. DNA was most likely formed by a mutated protien that managed to make a double helix bond with another RNA strand. This is significant because DNA can now hold far more information and when it replicates it breaks in half which allows it to re-bond with another strand of RNA. This is the basics to genetics and how we have offspring and can "mate" to have shared DNA.
From this point it was just developing complexity. The next thing was a lipid bilayer. A lipid has one end of the molecule being hydrophobic and the other being hydrophilic. This ends up creating a structure where the "tail" of the lipid compound always faces inward with another layer of lipids facing outwards with only their "head" ends being on either side of the membrane.
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This membrane eventually creates a spherical structure as this is the shape that any system would eventually come to given enough time. It is the most stable and has the least surface area for a given volume.
This became the first cells. Having DNA in the center with lipid bilayer membranes. Again from there other structures evolved over time. But this was the very origin of life.
It is not really a choice for very many people. Perhaps curiously, theism and atheism are more like vocations than choices.
But if you don't care, then I don't understand why you make a point of stating that some people pretend to believe in God.
It seemed directed toward me specifically and I felt it was offensive. It made me feel quite bad and I'm not sure why you would want to make someone feel bad by such disrespect. I hope I had only misunderstood you.
Treks
Well-Known Member
Bravo, @Monk Of Reason. That was very enjoyable to read, thank you. 
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
The understanding abiogensis is lacking in most people it seems. I don't think anyone can say for sure that they fully understand it and I, for sure, can say that no one knows exactly how it happened. The broad bit of it consists of early Early earth and its creation of simple organic compounds due to volcanic and other activities. Life as we know it are made up of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen and nitrogen. These are four of the five most common elements in the universe and on earth. The only one excluded from this is helium and that is because on a chemical level it is absolutely useless. It doesn't react well with anything and does nothing interesting in chemical interactions. However the other four do. These four elements in the right conditions, which in reality is not hard to do or even rare, can begin to react chemically
When you have those 4 elements (mainly carbon, oxygen and hydrogen) you get a compound. There are two compounds of interest called a carboxyl and amino. These two with a side chain unique to them are called an animo acid. Strings of these amino acids are called polymers. Some polymers are joined together by peptide bonds. These then function and can begin to replicate. The more complex the protien the more complex the function. This is the beginnings of life. An RNA strand (which is for purposes of this post half of a DNA strand) is simply a string of these protiens in a longer band. They can provide a wide range of functions and eventually lead to the creation of DNA. DNA was most likely formed by a mutated protien that managed to make a double helix bond with another RNA strand. This is significant because DNA can now hold far more information and when it replicates it breaks in half which allows it to re-bond with another strand of RNA. This is the basics to genetics and how we have offspring and can "mate" to have shared DNA.
From this point it was just developing complexity. The next thing was a lipid bilayer. A lipid has one end of the molecule being hydrophobic and the other being hydrophilic. This ends up creating a structure where the "tail" of the lipid compound always faces inward with another layer of lipids facing outwards with only their "head" ends being on either side of the membrane.
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This membrane eventually creates a spherical structure as this is the shape that any system would eventually come to given enough time. It is the most stable and has the least surface area for a given volume.
This became the first cells. Having DNA in the center with lipid bilayer membranes. Again from there other structures evolved over time. But this was the very origin of life.
Can we see life to be originated from raw materials in reality nowadays as to be happening naturally everyday?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
No i don't see it as offensive, i am a muslim and some may say that i don't follow Islam as it should be, then that is their opinion and that doesn't cause any harm to me.
Why would you say it at all? I tell you that I believe in God and you tell me, essentially, that I don't. Does your version of Islam tell you that it is ok to disrespect others? Your comment was not on topic. And I think that if a Muslim tells you that you are not a true Muslim, it is a disrespect, an offensive comment. I see no good reason why you should feel the need to make such a statement to me.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I thought it similar to maggets. You dont need an intellegent being to create moving creatures. Just spoiled food. If that be the case, our existence, which i believe we came from water could be from any number of things.
Why does it have to be intellegent? For some reason that makes me think of psychology and the need for explanation. "We, odviously, and just came from thing! That would make us feel like just a thing. So theres got tobbe something greater involves." Somewhat sounds like externalised egotism
Atoms and molecules interact naturally, following the laws of chemistry and physics. We can observe them forming membranes, amino acids and other components of life. No magic poofing needed.
Life and non-life have no clear boundaries. Likely many compounds and structures with various lifelike features formed before clearly 'alive' organisms came to the fore.
DNA's not that complex. RNA is even less complex. They can be long molecules, sure, but otherwise pretty simple.
God is neither a mechanism not an explanation, just a magical agent.
The ToE doesn't deal with Who, only How.
We the Muslims don't believe in absolut evolution , i mean all creatures comes from evolution proces . or there is no God creat , or it's all about evolution .
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Monk Of Reason
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It is possible in certain cirmstances but its doubtful because we already have a leg up on the competition. Such primitive almost organisms wouldn't be able to compete with what is already evolved. But that is not to say that there was only one chemical strand that eventually produce all life and no other stands made it. We have a "parent" strand that is our highest common ancestor but it is possible that life arose a few times in the early earth.
We have been trying to replicate the processes in the lab but the amount of time required is mind boggling. I used this example in another thread a few days ago but the time between us that the calamity that ended the dinosaurs was 65 million years. On average that is about 15-20 million generations ago from us. The time it took from the estimated time of when the process began to the time we see the earliest and simplest of cells was from 4.1 billion years ago to about 3.5 billion years ago. That is roughly 600 million years. We know that in a controlled environment it wouldn't take that long as we could give it the best possible scenario but without any current way to speed the process up we cannot simply create life. Though slightly off topic there has been other efforts to see if we could create life from basic materials in other ways than simply putting it in a stew for a few hundred million years.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
I said your views is different than what you seems to believe, that was my opinion, so whats wrong with it.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
What do you think about some discoveries which says that origin of life came from the stars and not from earth.
If you can't see how your words were disrespectful, then I will not push this. I will say that I do not think it is good to tell a person what you think is in their heart. Only God can know what is in a person's heart.
I will also say that one does not have to choose between believing in God and in the process of Evolution. Many religious people believe in the process of evolution. It does not contradict my religion. It makes perfect sense to me that God would create this natural process.
YES
that's what i mean , everytime the fans of evolutions , said evolution happaned during million or billion of years .
I am curious if there is a creature evoluted recently , i mean during human existed , why the creatures stop evoluting , what is the proof that we (all creatures) are evoluting ?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
So which theory does the evidence support?