Origin of life

[Aupmanyav]

6000 years old universe doesn't make any sense, i agree

But is not that what is mentioned in Bible, adding the ages of prophets and their children right from Adam. You mean Bible is false? Would you disbelieve what is mentioned in Bible and does not make sense (Virgin birth, Resurrection, etc.)?

 

[FearGod]

This doesn't link to the original Science article, so it's hard to comment on what this other "language" might be. Could be talking about garden variety epigenetics, for all I can tell.

"Suggestions of design," however, I suspect to be in the eye of the beholder. Creationists make the same claim for just about every new and not yet understood biological discovery.

Now about this "information in DNA" meme. This is a favorite creationist talking point, and it's a fundamental misunderstanding.
DNA doesn't 'store information' in the sense intended. it's a template, a pattern that ribosomes can zip along and poop out proteins to construct functional structures.

What about this from the evolutionists but of course not from the atheists, as they are scientists and not searching to refute God's existence but for searching for the sake of science.

Genetics Is Too Complex for Evolutionists to Fake It Anymore - Evolution News & Views

 

[FearGod]

It isn't surprising. As I said all heavy atoms were formed in the belly of stars that then go supernova and spew its contents into the solar system.

So again we're in a closed loop.

 

[FearGod]

But is not that what is mentioned in Bible, adding the ages of prophets and their children right from Adam. You mean Bible is false? Would you disbelieve what is mentioned in Bible and does not make sense (Virgin birth, Resurrection, etc.)?

It isn't my concern here to discuss religions and their beliefs.

 

[Acintya_Ash]

So which theory does the evidence support?

I don't know, you can enlighten me on that if you know.
Practically speaking, all theories are product of mind so mind definitely preceeds, this is my opinion.

 

[Valjean]

Then tell us how it happened while there was nothing to start with.
It was vacuum, nothingness..............then what happened, tell me your logic.

You're asking me to explain complex physics in a few sentences. You'd need several upper level courses in physics to even begin to understand the mathematics involved.

This is a specialized subdivision of physics that most PHD physicists couldn't explain.
I'm sure you could do a Google search for articles in this branch of physics, but there's no way I could explain it to you.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

What about this from the evolutionists but of course not from the atheists, as they are scientists and not searching to refute God's existence but for searching for the sake of science.

Genetics Is Too Complex for Evolutionists to Fake It Anymore - Evolution News & Views

Who is really going to be surprised except evolutionists when it is found freedom is real and relevant in the universe, and the genetics is chosen?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

So again we're in a closed loop.

Closed loop of what?

 

[The Hammer]

Where did life come from ?

During the big bang no life can exist, so what made the first cell of life to exist without being born.

Why the DNA is complex and is adjustable (mutations), how you explain those things to happen without any intelligence being involved ?

A New Thermodynamics Theory of the Origin of Life | Quanta Magazine

Read this article. Life can come from non-living means/matter on it's own. No divine help.

 

[YmirGF]

YES
that's what i mean , everytime the fans of evolutions , said evolution happaned during million or billion of years .

I am curious if there is a creature evoluted recently , i mean during human existed , why the creatures stop evoluting , what is the proof that we (all creatures) are evoluting ?

The problem with this last statement, Godobeyer is due to the long time spans involved it is not accurate to say that any creature has stopped evolving. Think of evolution as watching a film of a sloth crossing a road filmed in slow motion. It still crosses the road, you just would not sit there waiting to see its progression... it would take too long.

 

[Mycroft]

Stars didn't come from nothingness, where did the dust come from ? the supernovae of another star, and how the first stars formed before any dust or matter exist, so again we did know nothing but only we pretend that we know everything.

We don't pretend we know everything at all. The point of science is the admission that we don't know a lot, and an indication of the desire to find out.

Where did the dust come from? I don't know. But as I said, not knowing does not automatically lend itself to a divine creator. And assigning everything that is not known as 'must be god' is just as much pretending to 'know' everything.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Who is really going to be surprised except evolutionists when it is found freedom is real and relevant in the universe, and the genetics is chosen?

Good. Do not let your children to study science. You already have all the answers in Qur'an.

 

[FearGod]

You're asking me to explain complex physics in a few sentences. You'd need several upper level courses in physics to even begin to understand the mathematics involved.

This is a specialized subdivision of physics that most PHD physicists couldn't explain.
I'm sure you could do a Google search for articles in this branch of physics, but there's no way I could explain it to you.

Aha, a complex math.

Nothingness + nothingness =

 

[FearGod]

Closed loop of what?

Where the raw material came from, and where dust came from, and where matter came from ?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Where the raw material came from, and where dust came from, and where matter came from ?

And where god came from. Its the same problem.

Everything after the big bang we have a general understanding of how it happened. There are theories about what may have caused the big bang or if it even happened but none of them are considered to be unquestionable or even fact.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Then tell us how it happened while there was nothing to start with.
It was vacuum, nothingness..............then what happened, tell me your logic.

I will link you to the two highest authorities of understanding on the matter.
The early universe | CERN

The Big Bang - NASA Science

You will find both to be easy to read and understand. Some of it may be simplified but these are the current answers we have.

 

[Parsimony]

Isn't this whole argument just the "God of the gaps" fallacy? "We don't know how it can happen naturally, therefore God did it"? A thousand years ago, the exact same argument could be used to "prove" that lightning wasn't the result of natural processes in the atmosphere but was instead a direct supernatural event caused by God. If you don't know how something happened, then you simply don't know. You can't use that ignorance to support an untestable assertion.

 

[LuisDantas]

But is not that what is mentioned in Bible, adding the ages of prophets and their children right from Adam. You mean Bible is false? Would you disbelieve what is mentioned in Bible and does not make sense (Virgin birth, Resurrection, etc.)?

As an aside, my sources tell me that there is actually no virgin birth in the Bible. That specific doctrine may have arisen out of a misunderstanding of the greek word "almah", which is used once in the Bible in a context that did not even refer to Jesus' conception.

 

[LuisDantas]

What about this from the evolutionists but of course not from the atheists, as they are scientists and not searching to refute God's existence but for searching for the sake of science.

Genetics Is Too Complex for Evolutionists to Fake It Anymore - Evolution News & Views

What, you think evolution was created to attempt to refute the existence of God?!?

That is nearly the exact opposite of the truth, you know.

 

[LuisDantas]

So again we're in a closed loop.

Not a loop. Just a statement that a planet's matter came originally from a star.

There is no definitive answer for the origin of matter. But there is not much of a need for any, either.

And in any case, saying that God created it is not much of an explanation anyway. It is rather a statement of faith, of purpose. But not an explanation.

God may or may not have created matter, but that is no reason to fail to learn chemistry or physics.