Original Sin

[Prophet]

The original sin doctrine is drawn from a section of Genesis that was redacted into Genesis' original composition, which is a twisted retelling of Reality of the Rulers or Hypostasis of the Archons.

In Hypostasis, it is not God who tends to the garden of Eden, but instead the rulers who seize and increase their power by keeping their people in ignorance of Knowledge of Good and Evil by deception.

The original story relayed Knowledge of Good and Evil. Of course the rulers are going to do all they can to burn and corrupt it.

 

[godnotgod]

The original sin doctrine is drawn from a section of Genesis that was redacted into Genesis' original composition, which is a twisted retelling of Reality of the Rulers or Hypostasis of the Archons.

In Hypostasis, it is not God who tends to the garden of Eden, but instead the rulers who seize and increase their power by keeping their people in ignorance of Knowledge of Good and Evil by deception.

The original story relayed Knowledge of Good and Evil. Of course the rulers are going to do all they can to burn and corrupt it.

Were these rulers the priests?

 

[Prophet]

Were these rulers the priests?

Specifically, no. But the story is a myth, meant to relay not factual information, but eternal Truth. These rulers can take many forms, including that of religious leadership.

I recommend reading Hypostasis for yourself.

The Hypostasis of the Archons -- The Nag Hammadi Library

 

[Heathen Hammer]

No, we are not. We are talking about an ALLEGORY.

If you interpret the allegory as one in which Obedience to Law is the primary focus, then the moral lesson of Good and Evil would apply. But if you understand the allegory to mean the exact opposite of what God intends, it becomes clear that it contains an intuitive understanding of Good and Evil as Relative Opposites, and their behavior, which is the actual condition. The former view retains Obedience as the condition, while the latter actually transforms the ordinary mind into one whose vision is accurate. Besides, there was no real or viable REASON for God to have forbade the eating of the Fruit. A&E did not die, as God warned, after all. The key to the allegory is contained in the serpent's statement that A&E would 'see as God sees', which is Higher Consciousness.

I am totally aware the tale is wholly made up. My point has always been, it is a poor source, teaching a bad moral lesson.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Obedience in fear is a good thing?

I guess you keep missing the part where I lambaste this story repeatedly as garbage?

 

[godnotgod]

I am totally aware the tale is wholly made up. My point has always been, it is a poor source, teaching a bad moral lesson.

Too bad it has come down to us as a corrupted story, which is the one most of mankind has come to believe as true, the original having a quite different meaning, which is that of divine union and release from ignorance.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

For sure. One would have expected an update from the author, if it were so important

 

[godnotgod]

For sure. One would have expected an update from the author, if it were so important

My regret is that I lost track of the original source of the story, which, as I explained, may have been of Persian origin. I suspect, however, that the original allegory may have been among the oral traditions of the people. Someday, I am going to do a more intensive search for it.

However, I won't leave you with an empty bag. There is this, which is essentially the same story as the original, but from perhaps a more Indian viewpoint:

Out Of The Earth-The Myth of Adam and Eve

So, you see, it's all good, with none of the blood, gore, guilt, punishment, etc. of the orthodox version.

 

[Thief]

For sure. One would have expected an update from the author, if it were so important

If the meat of the story is still there...no need for more of it.

"Garbage"....is that what you called it?

If you believe in s spiritual life at all...there is hierarchy.
If you believe at all, in hierarchy...there is an Almighty.

If you believe at all...any interaction between the Spirit and Man....
Someone had to be first...that would be Adam.

That the story is a blend of metaphor and philosophy doesn't make it...
garbage.

If anything, it is a weight you cannot carry.
Apparently you don't have what it takes to sort through it..

 

[godnotgod]

That the story is a blend of metaphor and philosophy doesn't make it...
garbage.

Please see this too: Out Of The Earth-The Myth of Adam and Eve

 

[Thief]

Please see this too: Out Of The Earth-The Myth of Adam and Eve

You didn't actually read my last post....did you?

 

[godnotgod]

You didn't actually read my last post....did you?

Yes, I did. I just wanted you to see this version as well.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

If the meat of the story is still there...no need for more of it.

"Garbage"....is that what you called it?

Yep

If you believe in s spiritual life at all...

Which I do

there is hierarchy.
If you believe at all, in hierarchy...there is an Almighty.

No. there is no almighty. There is no need, nor a demonstration, of a hierarchy of this type. It's presence is only 'needed' in order to prove your version of God; and your version of God need not be the case.

any interaction between the Spirit and Man....
Someone had to be first...that would be Adam.

Or Ask

That the story is a blend of metaphor and philosophy doesn't make it...
garbage.

No, what makes it garbage, are the contradictions, and the underlying flawed moral message.

If anything, it is a weight you cannot carry.
Apparently you don't have what it takes to sort through it..

Your effort to place a moral blame on me for finding the blatant flaws in your philosophy, are childish at best. But, since that's all you've been taught by stories such as this, and know no no others, I can hardly blame you.

No, wait, yes I can blame you for your ignorance
because that's what your God does, after all.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Owned

 

[Thief]

Owned

Yes...you will be.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Yes...you will be.

I already am, and not by your God

 

[Thief]

I already am, and not by your God

My God is greater.
There is only one...Almighty.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

My regret is that I lost track of the original source of the story, which, as I explained, may have been of Persian origin. I suspect, however, that the original allegory may have been among the oral traditions of the people. Someday, I am going to do a more intensive search for it.

However, I won't leave you with an empty bag. There is this, which is essentially the same story as the original, but from perhaps a more Indian viewpoint:

Out Of The Earth-The Myth of Adam and Eve

So, you see, it's all good, with none of the blood, gore, guilt, punishment, etc. of the orthodox version.

Appreciate the link... but I began it, and realized, I cannot finish reading it at work

 

[Heathen Hammer]

My God is greater.
There is only one...Almighty.

Your God is an also-ran.
There are many Gods, and yours is one of the weaker liars.

For reference see: his scriptures

 

[Dirty Penguin]

And you want to say Eve was both at the same time?
Wouldn't that be a stretch of the scripture you claim to know?

I'm only going by what your scriptures are insinuating. If Eve is a clone then Adam is both male and female. I was trying to see whether or not you agreed with the "science" the bible is projecting.