godlikemadman
God Among Men
Take a look at your past posts. They have been demeaning, sarcastic, ignorant, and unintelligible. The only reason I am using insults is because clearly it is the only way to proceed and get your attention.
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palestine is for Jews or arabs ?
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ah ,to make the other attention to you ,you insult them
godlikemadman
God Among Men
I dont think you understand. My goal was not to insult you. My goal was to try and say outright the words everyone arguing with you is trying to say more politely.
Levite
Higher and Higher
First of all, that's not what the passage says, or even means. What it actually says is:
אמר ליה: לאו כהן הוא מר, מאי טעמא קאי מר בבית הקברות? אמר ליה: לא מתני מר טהרות? דתניא, רבי שמעון בן יוחי אומר: קבריהן של נכרים אין מטמאין, שנאמר ואתן צאני צאן מרעיתי אדם אתם - אתם קרויין אדם, ואין נכרים קרויין אדם.
He said to him: is it not so that you are a kohen, sir? So what are you doing in a cemetary? He replied: Have you not studied ritual purity laws, sir? There is a baraita that teaches: Rabbi Shimon ben Yochai said, you must not defile the graves of non-Jews, as it teaches, "You are my flock, the sheep of my own keeping-- you are Adam." You are classified as "Adam," but non-Jews we do not classify as "Adam."
Even on its face, this does not mean that Rabbah bar Avuh thought that non-Jews were not human. It means that in his view, when using the verse in question from Ezekiel as exegetical support in the laws of ritual purity pertaining to kohanim (priests), we do not class the cemetaries of non-Jews under the laws of ritual purity in the same category as the cemetaries of Jews.
Second of all, the story is a parable-- it never literally happened. The other party in the conversation with Rabbah bar Avuh is said to be the prophet Elijah, so we know that the story is not literal.
And third, it is a parable about using questionable legal conclusions. The purpose of the entire section is to highlight how easy it is even for a great sage to misjudge the exegetical meaning of text. The implication that non-Jews are less human than Jews is precisely the kind of wrong meaning that the story is warning us about.
I have never actually seen a copy of Yalkut Reuveni: it is an extremely minor and rare Kabbalistic arrangement of midrashim from the 17th century. I would have to see the page to actually determine what it says.
But if it is akin to Midrash Talpiot, that would explain a lot. Midrash Talpiot, at least, I am familiar with. It is a very minor work of Hasidic Kabbalistic mussar (ascetic homiletics). Mussar is, historically, not a mainstream set of doctrines in Judaism; Kabbalistic mussar is not a mainstream set of ideas within mussar; and Hasidic Kabbalistic mussar is not mainstream to Kabbalistic mussar; and this school of thought is not even mainstream to Hasidic Kabbalistic mussar. This particular fringe tradition in Hasidic Kabbalistic mussar is known for having very unsavory and disreputable teachings, based in very twisted understandings of Lurianic Kabbalah.
They do indeed teach that non-Jews are inferior to Jews. But the vast and overwhelming majority of Jews not only have never agreed with such teachings, most of them probably have never even heard of such teachings. Their obscurity is well-deserved, since they are particularly pernicious abuses of Jewish thought.
I have no idea where you found those quotes, but I can assure you that 99.9% of Jews would utterly reject such ideas as entirely profane and blasphemous, and many great rabbis have labelled those who study such works as perverters of Torah.
Let's see: "an *** of a man, whose hand will be against everyone as everyone's hand is against him", maybe?
Rakhel
Well-Known Member
It would be nice if he posted the link he got his information from. But, since that would be too easy...
The Truth about the Talmud
The Truth about the Talmud
godlikemadman
God Among Men
That site is extreme. Just wanted to let you know that it's only a small minority of people raised in the Islamic tradition who actually believe that crap :sorry1:
Rakhel
Well-Known Member
I am actually not surprised by what I found on that sight, believe it or not. And I do know that the number of those that do believe such drivel are few in number. It reminds of another.
There are those like godobeyer in every religion, including ours.
The problem with the "few in number" argument is the volume with which they defecate their misinformation on the masses. Yes, we have people like "godobeyer"(I truly find his name a lie) in our faith, and their words are just as useful as his(flush after they finish speaking).
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Huh? doesn't make sense. What do you mean by arabs anyway. And Judaism is a religion, dude.
Levite
Higher and Higher
Wow. I have never seen such a collection of mistranslated and out-of-context quotations in my life.
Not to mention the fact that quite a number of them are not from the Talmud at all. But regardless, I didn't spot a single one that I could identify that was not grossly mistranslated and wildly decontextualized.
What a horrifying piece of reasonless hatred.
Rakhel
Well-Known Member
And that is what some Muslims are being taught that we believe. I have looked up a few. and the ones that state they are from the talmud can be found there if you close both eyes, quint really hard, and read between the lines. but most are found all over the web in the same listing as was in theirs, and all out to damn Judaism as the "Formidable Sect" out to destroy "Crown and Alter"
I'm guessing you've never snuck over to stormfront to see what they say about us.
JacobEzra.
Dr. Greenthumb
Oh my. What a derailed thread lol. I guess since Godobeyers arguments keep failing, he just keeps trying to get one right
Levite
Higher and Higher
I haven't; although, perhaps naively, I would have assumed that what is to be found on a site claiming to be Muslim would be different than what is to be found on an admittedly Nazi website.....
My sincere hope is that the site is as unrepresentative of Muslim treatment of Judaism as a Kach or Kahane Chai site would be unrepresentative of Jewish treatment of Islam.
godlikemadman
God Among Men
You'd be correct in this hope. The vast majority of Muslims (at least the ones I know) would vehemently criticize and toss aside this piece of nonsense.
i guess i discover like a secrect here
I wanted to post all the Talmuds there , but i found that they are many
I have no problem to post the link or not , it's not adult or terrorism link
edited : sorry i wrote "insult instead of NOT insult "
I am NOT insult the jews and their culture
every one had the right to have fun , when the situation seems to be funny .
i don't believe in antisemitic because arabs are semitic , and i am arabic .
and as i post in Judiasm DIR it's maybe seems that my nickname is jewish .
ok
I don't post fake Talmud quotes intentionaly , i will verify it's credibality from Jewish siters
, but the explain of Levite (No Adam=no Human),it's seems its close to the meaning . or the same .
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I don't believe this, for what it's worth.