Paris terrorists not Practicing Muslims at all

[Flankerl]

No, we leave it for you.

Okay one Minuteman for Mecca, Medina and Riad, no problemo.

Sorry for the inconvenience that it took so long.

 

[Lyndon]

Do I need any more evidence of posters linking ISIS to mainstream Islam. And claiming Islam is not saying enough against ISIS.

 

[FearGod]

Okay one Minuteman for Mecca, Medina and Riad, no problemo.

Sorry for the inconvenience that it took so long.

Include Iran as well.

 

[FearGod]

Just now in the news, France again

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/24/us-france-shooting-hostages-idUSKBN0TD2MK20151124

They aren't sure yet if terror related.

 

[FearGod]

Tunisia also

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34915253

 

[FearGod]

Egypt also, the ISIS is striking everywhere

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/egypt-hotel-hit-by-fatal-blasts-reports

 

[Shusha]

Yes you need my words, they're evils, the extremists should be obliterated from the face of earth.
Hope the ISIS has gone forever with these words.

It only took 180 posts for you to say something along these lines in response to my queries about the morality of ISIS.

 

[FearGod]

It only took 180 posts for you to say something along these lines in response to my queries about the morality of ISIS.

I said to you we know nothing about the ISIS except by the media.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

Do I need any more evidence of posters linking ISIS to mainstream Islam. And claiming Islam is not saying enough against ISIS.

Thank you for making this thread. I haven't read all 20+ pages lol

I'm sure there's still many who try and claim that all terrorists are Muslims and that we need to kill all Muslims etc. But at least some people have common sense.

I'll just leave a little some thing here:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1

A report detailing some of the findings by the MI5 on what actually makes a so called "Islamic extremists" which are described as "Islamic novices" by the MI5 rather than fundamentalists/terrorists.

A similar breakdown of the report, may have been in the independent, describes a large number of individuals who drink and use prostitutes. Further evidenced by the characters and lifestyles of those in Paris and previously, those who were prosecuted on return to britain after joining ISIS, a group of whom bought "Islam for Dummies" at the airport book shop lol

This narrative of Islamic extremism has to end, there is no evidence to support it.

Then again, there was little evidence to support the fact that there were Communists masquerading as your neighbours in the 50s and 60s but that didn't stop the constant, anti-Russian propaganda.

As Dwight D. Eisenhower said:

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

 

[Shusha]

I'm sure there's still many who try and claim that all terrorists are Muslims and that we need to kill all Muslims etc. But at least some people have common sense.

Actually, no one on this thread has tried to claim any such thing and the very idea is appalling. The rest of your post is just more regurgitation of the same "no true Muslim" we've heard before.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

This narrative of Islamic extremism has to end, there is no evidence to support it.

Extremists like those in ISIS self-identify as Muslims and claim to be defending Islam against the "crusaders". So it's their narrative, not something that non-Muslims have dreamt up.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

This narrative of Islamic extremism has to end, there is no evidence to support it.

Frankly, I find that every bit as unhelpful and misleading as people conflating 'Muslim' and 'Terrorist'.

 

[Lyndon]

Extremists like those in ISIS self-identify as Muslims and claim to be defending Islam against the "crusaders". So it's their narrative, not something that non-Muslims have dreamt up.

There you go again, after denying it happens, you are linking ISIS to mainstream Muslim beliefs again, that is hypocritical.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

There you go again, after denying it happens, you are linking ISIS to mainstream Muslim beliefs again, that is hypocritical.

Nothing he said is inaccurate. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

 

[Lyndon]

Frankly, I find that every bit as unhelpful and misleading as people conflating 'Muslim' and 'Terrorist'.

I take it he was saying there is nothing in the Koran to support terrorism, and I would not find that misleading at all.

PS I am not a Lady, is that some way of insulting a guy??

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I take it he was saying there is nothing in the Koran to support terrorism, and I would not find that misleading at all.

All books can be interpreted in different fashions, Lyndon. The Bible, the Quran, and just to show I'm not doing the 'all religions are bad' thing, let's go with Darwin or Marx. It's not limited to religious books. But you're stretching a point to suggest that the only interpretations of the Quran which are valid are non-violent ones.

You can say these people have misunderstood the message, and I wouldn't have a problem. But these are self-proclaimed Muslims, who are using passages directly from the Quran to quote their brand of hate. The WBC are Christians, as much as we might say they are also a cultish bunch of a***holes who interpret the Bible in a peculiar fashion.

Frankly, I think literalism is the problem. Literal interpretations of any book (again, including Marx or Darwin if you like) more easily leads to extremist behaviour than nuanced interpretations. Defence of violence (rather than terrorism per se) through the use of Quranic passages is disturbingly common, unless you don't class apostasy laws as violent. Are those people also not Islamic? Or misunderstanding Islam?

 

[Shusha]

There you go again, after denying it happens, you are linking ISIS to mainstream Muslim beliefs again, that is hypocritical.

No, he's not. He's linking extremist beliefs to extremist Islamic doctrine and interpretation of texts because they self-identify as Muslims and include Islam in their narrative.

 

[Shad]

I wouldn't call it compulsion myself unless it was done in the same way as the Christian missionaries do it. They ask people to convert and in return supply them with food and water. They take advantage of the poor and needy. Muslims didn't do this.

Convert and you get taxed less which lets you buy food. One does it with wealth, the other with food. If either religion was fair there would be no difference in taxes and no religious price tag attached to food.

 

[Lyndon]

Are you living in the middles ages, that taxation thing went out many years ago, as far as I know, no Muslim nation is practicing it anymore, get up to date!!

 

[Shad]

Are you living in the middles ages, that taxation thing went out many years ago, as far as I know, no Muslim nation is practicing it anymore, get up to date!!

Yet within the text, scripture, the tax exists. I could point out the restriction on non-Islam religion in KSA if you wish. Which is a state compared to missionaries which are just people. So there is your modern example if you wish.