Part of being Privileged is not having to think about being Privileged

[Revoltingest]

Where I'm from, "dope" means heroin.

Interesting.
Perhaps my usage is out of date.

 

[dust1n]

It could be worse dust1n, you could be 19 in a foreign country getting shot at in the rain. You could try to sleep after your best friend just got killed.

If I was from Memphis, Chicago, New York, LA, Oakland, St. Louis, etc. anytime in the last forty years, and my skin complexion was just a tad bit darker, I could be getting shot at in the rain, and try to sleep... ya ya, okay.

Yes, class works internationally, and generally a lot of foreign countries problems were initiated by American or European or Russia financial and military interests involving themselves in developing countries to in some benefit from the resources of some place, or selling them something, or financing whatever proxy group necessary to fight wars on our behalf, etc...

Want to talk about class, Clinton was in England not inhaling while I got drafted.

Yes. That would be an example of class distinction. In the Spanish-American war, the rich could pay a draft fee of $200 dollars, and they would be dissolved of their military responsibilities... these things manifest themselves in all sorts of ways. It's easy to leave the country when you have a rich family, and end up marrying a ketchup heiress and stuff. He deregulated the financial system in the country and contributed greatly to the biggest boom in a long time, which collapsed years later. Now he goes around and saves the world I think, from a horse and buggy on a golf cart, I presume.

Oh, and the draft thing, sorry about that. If I was around, I assuredly would have been one of those guys who was like "don't draft Rick, and the others."

 

[dust1n]

Even poor white people have it better than poor minorities though.

You'd be surprised how much of the rural population live in incredibly low standards of living, with much Meth about. Their opportunities are greatly limited, most businesses have left, their towns show no sign of growing or improving. But, a lot of it's quite lush.

I really can't compare. There are simply too many lives I can't even possibly imagine myself living, or quantitative and, unfortunate life. That being said, they aren't discriminated against in the same fashion that minorities, and they all differ, and depending on the location, etc.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

You'd be surprised how much of the rural population live in incredibly low standards of living, with much Meth about. Their opportunities are greatly limited, most businesses have left, their towns show no sign of growing or improving. But, a lot of it's quite lush.

I really can't compare. There are simply too many lives I can't even possibly imagine myself living, or quantitative and, unfortunate life. That being said, they aren't discriminated against in the same fashion that minorities, and they all differ, and depending on the location, etc.

A drugged up white hillbilly is more likely to get a job than a drugged out black hillbilly.

 

[dust1n]

A drugged up white hillbilly is more likely to get a job than a drugged out black hillbilly.

I really don't know where I could possibly find that kinda statistical data. It's very specific. If there are no jobs, then no one has jobs, in a given area.

 

[Reverend Rick]

If you really want to talk about class, anyone who is raised to believe they have to grow up and work a job is conditioned to better others and short change themselves.

There was a time a person could work for a corporation and receive ample compensation, those jobs are slowly fading away. I believe it is old fashoned to have this "I wannabe an employee" mentality.

 

[dust1n]

If you really want to talk about class, anyone who is raised to believe they have to grow up and work a job is conditioned to better others and short change themselves.

There was a time a person could work for a corporation and receive ample compensation, those jobs are slowly fading away. I believe it is old fashoned to have this "I wannabe an employee" mentality.

Ok. I'm lost at this point concerning class.

 

[Sunstone]

It's nice how privileged folks can so readily point out the disadvantages of knowing you are not privileged. Kind of like rattling your jewelry at the homeless.

 

[YmirGF]

It's nice how privileged folks can so readily point out the disadvantages of knowing you are not privileged.

And yet rejection of the idea of privilege is the first sign of being privileged. *sigh*

Kind of like rattling your jewelry at the homeless.

I tend to just sneer as I'm not a fan of jewelry.

 

[Sunstone]

And yet rejection of the idea of privilege is the first sign of being privileged. *sigh*

There's no such thing as privilege to at least some of the privileged. A position so ignorant of life as to be hopelessly infantile. Much like creationism.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

It's probably best if "privileged" were defined. Is it overall wealth disparity and/or access? Is it higher positioned social exclusion of all but their homogenous grouping? Is it bigger employment networks? Broader housing options?

Or are we defining "privileged" as specific exclusionary political identifications? One might look at affirmative action as giving minorities a privileged status. Or scholarship availability. Or grant money.

I dunno. It might help.

 

[YmirGF]

There's no such thing as privilege to at least some of the privileged. A position so ignorant of life as to be hopelessly infantile. Much like creationism.

Give me awhile, Phil. I will take some time before I choose to suck the nipple of privilege ideology. So far, I've read nothing in this thread that is remotely persuasive.

 

[Sunstone]

Give me awhile, Phil. I will take some time before I choose to suck the nipple of privilege ideology. So far, I've read nothing in this thread that is remotely persuasive.

Paul, you might start with the simple and obvious fact that you live in a hierarchical society in which people have uneven access to resources. I know, stunning, isn't it?

 

[YmirGF]

Paul, you might start with the simple and obvious fact that you live in a hierarchical society in which people have uneven access to resources. I know, stunning, isn't it?

I'm not particularly miffed that I don't have access to stockpiles of uranium, Phil. Do you have access?

 

[Sunstone]

I'm not particularly miffed that I don't have access to stockpiles of uranium, Phil. Do you have access?

LOL! I no more have access to stockpiles of uranium than you and I have access to genuinely significant piles of money.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Everyone's got their own set of advantages and own set of disadvantages. In my experience, overall, I'd say that race is among the least important variables in either list. This isn't to say that, statistically, racism doesn't exist throughout many facets of society to varying degrees, and in multiple directions. However, it is far more often used as a tool of blame or excuse than is warranted. Again, in my experience, as someone who grew up poor and primarily around minority folks, and still am primarily friends with minority folks. And, based on many conversations over the years, many of those friends agree - particularly the ones like me, who managed to do something to better their lives, instead of complain about them.

 

[Sunstone]

Everyone's got their own set of advantages and own set of disadvantages. In my experience, overall, I'd say that race is among the least important variables in either list. This isn't to say that, statistically, racism doesn't exist throughout many facets of society to varying degrees, and in multiple directions. However, it is far more often used as a tool of blame or excuse than is warranted. Again, in my experience, as someone who grew up poor and primarily around minority folks, and still am primarily friends with minority folks. And, based on many conversations over the years, many of those friends agree - particularly the ones like me, who managed to do something to better their lives, instead of complain about them.

Are you implying that anyone who is aware of being disadvantaged in one way or another is prone to do nothing with their lives except complain about their being disadvantaged?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Are you implying that anyone who is aware of being disadvantaged in one way or another is prone to do nothing with their lives except complain about their being disadvantaged?

No, is there something in my words which make you think I implied that?

 

[Sunstone]

No, is there something in my words which make you think I implied that?

My mistake. I thought there was. But thanks for the correction.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

My mistake. I thought there was. But thanks for the correction.

Not a problem. Sometimes I do end up implying things I didn't mean to by the specific wording used, so it was a potentially valid problem.