Pat Robertson says Haiti under a Curse

[Autodidact]

I already know that. That is why I said earlier that the evil ones were the focus of his wrath, not the good. But you don't know if all of Haiti are good people. Some of them may be evil. Only God knows which ones are evil enough to deserve this kind of punishment. Do evil people deserve earthquakes? God thought so; and he acted.

And too bad for the poor orphans, missionaries, and anyone else who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, as your God is too mean or too powerless to protect them when bad people get on his nerves.

 

[sojourner]

And too bad for the poor orphans, missionaries, and anyone else who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, as your God is too mean or too powerless to protect them when bad people get on his nerves.

Let's see...
Our military is able to perform amazingly-accurate "surgical strikes," but God Almighty is unable to do the same???

 

[Archer]

And too bad for the poor orphans, missionaries, and anyone else who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, as your God is too mean or too powerless to protect them when bad people get on his nerves.

As Christians we are not to worry with such things, those who have left us have gone to their chosen destinations. It is not a sad day for the believers who went home.

 

[tumbleweed41]

As Christians we are not to worry with such things, those who have left us have gone to their chosen destinations. It is not a sad day for the believers who went home.

Too bad for the unbelievers though, and those believers who suffered slow deaths prior to their 'liberation'.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Let's see...
Our military is able to perform amazingly-accurate "surgical strikes," but God Almighty is unable to do the same???

Chalk it up to 'collateral damage'.

 

[Archer]

Too bad for the unbelievers though

Not really, most if not all were witnessed to and had the opportunity to accept Christ. Those who knew nothing of him will be judged accordingly.

and those believers who suffered slow deaths prior to their 'liberation'.

Suffering is bad all around.

 

[sojourner]

As Christians we are not to worry with such things, those who have left us have gone to their chosen destinations. It is not a sad day for the believers who went home.

Well, how neat and tidy for you! Doesn't help the other poor sots, though.
Since when are we to not worry about "such things" as the disposition of humanity?
Do you not understand that sin and salvation are systemic affairs, and not individual affairs?

 

[sojourner]

Chalk it up to 'collateral damage'.

BOOM!

"Sorry, guys!"

 

[sojourner]

Not really, most if not all were witnessed to and had the opportunity to accept Christ. Those who knew nothing of him will be judged accordingly.



Suffering is bad all around.

::He said blithely, ignoring the suffering around him and going on with his business.::

Entitlement is an ugly thing.

 

[Archer]

Since when are we to not worry about "such things" as the disposition of humanity?

We should not worry on a personal level: Matt 24:4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,a’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains. , no on a humanitarian level. We should be happy those who had accepted Christ and mourn for those who had not.

Do you not understand that sin and salvation are systemic affairs, and not individual affairs?

I can not afford to go to these places and witness, the missionaries I help support do these things.

 

[sojourner]

We should not worry on a personal level

Yet, we are to love our neighbor as ourself. Sounds pretty personal to me...

I can not afford to go to these places and witness, the missionaries I help support do these things.

That's not what I meant. I meant that sin and salvation are systemic to humanity as a whole, not pertinent to individuals only.

 

[Archer]

Yet, we are to love our neighbor as ourself. Sounds pretty personal to me...

I do not disagree, you may not agree with my view on this but I do not think they are contrary to the teachings

That's not what I meant. I meant that sin and salvation are systemic to humanity as a whole, not pertinent to individuals only.

One at a time All will not enter, we are to try and help them to that place but in the end it is in their heart not ours.

 

[challupa]

I do not disagree, you may not agree with my view on this but I do not think they are contrary to the teachings



One at a time All will not enter, we are to try and help them to that place but in the end it is in their heart not ours.

What I don't understand is how you cannot see that if these are the "teachings" then how can you not see them as wrong? The reason why I left Christianity is because these teachings were so hideous. How could I continue to defend a book so insensitive and cruel.

 

[sojourner]

One at a time All will not enter, we are to try and help them to that place but in the end it is in their heart not ours.

Well, I guess that puts to rout "every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord..."

 

[sojourner]

What I don't understand is how you cannot see that if these are the "teachings" then how can you not see them as wrong? The reason why I left Christianity is because these teachings were so hideous. How could I continue to defend a book so insensitive and cruel.

Maybe you need different teachings that stress love and grace, rather than wrath and indifference.

The Evanfundigelical POV is not the only valid Christian POV.

 

[Archer]

Well, I guess that puts to rout "every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord..."

So I guess in your thoughts NOBODY GOES TO HELL?

The knee is bowed but that does not mean that heaven shall be entered.

 

[sojourner]

So I guess in your thoughts NOBODY GOES TO HELL?

The knee is bowed but that does not mean that heaven shall be entered.

Yep. Nobody winds up in hell. Salvation is systemic. Either humanity is saved, or it is not. We all get in, or no one does. Since it's God's will to reconcile humanity to God's Self, I rather suspect that it will happen. Otherwise, the story would read, "The shepherd leaves the 99 and searches for the lost one for a couple of hours, until he gets tired of the search."

 

[challupa]

Maybe you need different teachings that stress love and grace, rather than wrath and indifference.

The Evanfundigelical POV is not the only valid Christian POV.

That would be a nice change for sure. However, a majority of christians believe in hell and don't miss a chance to let you know where you are going if you don't fall in line with their interpretation of the bible.

I agree with you that no one goes to hell, but my reasons are likely different from yours.

 

[sojourner]

That would be a nice change for sure. However, a majority of christians believe in hell and don't miss a chance to let you know where you are going if you don't fall in line with their interpretation of the bible.

I agree with you that no one goes to hell, but my reasons are likely different from yours.

I'm not at all sure hell even exists.

I know how you feel. I live in the buckle of the Bible Belt. I get that sort of nonsense all the time.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What I don't understand is how you cannot see that if these are the "teachings" then how can you not see them as wrong? The reason why I left Christianity is because these teachings were so hideous. How could I continue to defend a book so insensitive and cruel.

What is hideous and insensitive and cruel about Jesus Sermon on the Mount?
(Matt chap 5 to 7)

What is hideous, insensitive, cruel about Jesus illustration of the 'Good Samaritan' teaching us to widen-out in our thinking as to who really is our neighbor?

What is hideous, insensitive, cruel about the kingly or royal law of James 2:8?

What is hideous, insensitive, cruel about Jesus 'new command' at John 13:34,35 to love others as he loved us? John 15:12,13.