Pat Robertson says Haiti under a Curse

[Anti-thesisofreason]

NEW YORK - Pat Robertson, the American Christian televangelist and host of "The 700 Club," said that Haitians need to have a "great turning to god" Tuesday while he was reporting on the devastating 7.0 earthquake — the most powerful to hit the country in a century.

As Haitian Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellerive said "well over" 100,000 people may have died in the natural disaster, Robertson took to the airwaves Wednesday on his show and said that the country has been "cursed by one thing after another" since they "swore a pact to the devil."

"Something happened a long time ago in Haiti and people might not want to talk about," Robertson said Tuesday.

"They were under the heel of the French, you know Napoleon the third and whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the prince.' True story. And so the devil said, 'OK it’s a deal.' And they kicked the French out. The Haitians revolted and got something themselves free. But ever since they have been cursed by one thing after another," Robertson said.

This is not the first time the former Republican presidential candidate has made controversial comments in the wake of disasters.

He has linked Hurricane Katrina and terrorist attacks to legalized abortion.

"I was reading, yesterday, a book that was very interesting about what God has to say in the Old Testament about those who shed innocent blood…But have we found we are unable somehow to defend ourselves against some of the attacks that are coming against us, either by terrorists or now by natural disaster? Could they be connected in some way?" Robertson said in a September 12, 2005 broadcast of "The 700 Club," soon after Hurricane Katrina.

Pat Robertson: Haiti "Cursed" After "Pact to the Devil" - Crimesider - CBS News

Doesn't really surprise me since he agreed with Falwell that homosexuals and Pagans were responsible for the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center.

 

[challupa]

Doesn't really surprise me since he agreed with Falwell that homosexuals and Pagans were responsible for the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center.

Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes out of the mouths of ignorant hypocritical idiots with a religious agenda.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

FYI - the Tree Lobsters have something to say that's related to the OP.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

"One" doesn't "go to hell." God's design is that all God's children be reconciled. I trust that will happen. Because that is what God has initiated for humanity through Jesus.

Jesus went to hell according to Acts 2:27,31.

If 'all' are reconciled how does one explain Hebrews 6:4-6?____________

Why does Matthew 20:28 say 'many' and not all?___________

Who is destroyed forever at Psalm 92:7?__________

 

[logician]

Pat Robertson is an idiot, and that is basically what is wrong with Xianity, it assigns "bad" things that happen to people to '"sinfulness".

 

[URAVIP2ME]

And this remains somewhat a mystery to me to this day. But I trust and pray that my divine God that he will explain this and other natural destructions to us someday. However, I would like to point out that I believe that this kind of destruction was meant for the evil people in Haiti and not the innocent Haitians. Nevertheless, it is true that the innocent sometimes get caught up with the evil-doers. But I believe this is a truth: Where there is no evil doers in the land: The good and innocent people rejoice and prosper. I hope someday that no more innocent and good people have to suffer because of the evil and destructive works of evil-doers. I believe that my divine God will make that a reality someday.

When Adam rejected his Creator as his God by his disobedience to God then Adam was setting up Satan to rule. 2nd Cor 4:4 calls Satan the god of this world of badness. Revelation 12:9,12 goes even further to explain that Jesus cast Satan out of heaven to the vicinity of the earth and Satan, not God, brings 'woe' to earth.

No where in Matthew chapter 24 or Luke chapter 21 does Jesus assign blame but Jesus composite 'sign' is forewarning us as to what global conditions would be like before he takes action as described at Isaiah 11:4 and Rev. 19:11,15 to rid the earth of all wickedness - Psalm 92:7; 37:38. Proverbs 2:21,22;10:30.

Luke 13:4,5 shows the people that were killed at the tower of Siloam were just at the wrong place, wrong time. They were not killed by God. King Solomon, known for his God-given wisdom, wrote at Ecclesiastes 9:11 that time and chance or unforeseen occurrences befall all of us.
Again wrong place, wrong time.

While on earth Jesus demonstrated his control over weather destruction.
By Jesus using the words of his mouth to calm the stormy wind and sea,
Jesus was showing on a small scale what he will do on a LARGE or GRAND scale during his 1000-year rule over earth when Jesus ushers in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill. Mark 4:39; Micah 4:3,4.

So it is no secret why there are disasters on earth because Jesus even used the adjective 'great' at Luke (21:11) to describe the type of earthquakes that would be occurring on earth along with the rest of the features or events that would be happening before there is divine intervention into mankind's affairs.

 

[logician]

When Adam rejected his Creator as his God by his disobedience to God then Adam was setting up Satan to rule. 2nd Cor 4:4 calls Satan the god of this world of badness. Revelation 12:9,12 goes even further to explain that Jesus cast Satan out of heaven to the vicinity of the earth and Satan, not God, brings 'woe' to earth.

No where in Matthew chapter 24 or Luke chapter 21 does Jesus assign blame but Jesus composite 'sign' is forewarning us as to what global conditions would be like before he takes action as described at Isaiah 11:4 and Rev. 19:11,15 to rid the earth of all wickedness - Psalm 92:7; 37:38. Proverbs 2:21,22;10:30.

Luke 13:4,5 shows the people that were killed at the tower of Siloam were just at the wrong place, wrong time. They were not killed by God. King Solomon, known for his God-given wisdom, wrote at Ecclesiastes 9:11 that time and chance or unforeseen occurrences befall all of us.
Again wrong place, wrong time.

While on earth Jesus demonstrated his control over weather destruction.
By Jesus using the words of his mouth to calm the stormy wind and sea,
Jesus was showing on a small scale what he will do on a LARGE or GRAND scale during his 1000-year rule over earth when Jesus ushers in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill. Mark 4:39; Micah 4:3,4.

So it is no secret why there are disasters on earth because Jesus even used the adjective 'great' at Luke (21:11) to describe the type of earthquakes that would be occurring on earth along with the rest of the features or events that would be happening before there is divine intervention into mankind's affairs.

What is your point, my friend?

 

[challupa]

You know, you guys really need to throw that vile book away. If you didn't believe in it you wouldn't have to try to explain away so much ugly stuff it says god does.

 

[OneThatGotAway]

Wow, that's one lousy God. Doesn't care about those poor innocents, or just bad aim, or what?

I've read where a righteous and holy man name Ayuub (Job) had a tremendous complaint against God; but he refrain from cursing him. And the story goes that his patience paid off. Because Yahweh did answer his prayers and his reason of why he and his family were subjected to those tragedies. In fact, God restored Job and his possessions double because of Job's faithfulness to wait on the explanations of God.

Therefore, to all innocents or poor that may get caught up in tragedy: Yahweh will make their lives much better in the next life. So much that their tragedy would not be remembered. His love for them is not temporary but everlasting. :grill:

Oh how I just love and trust in God's plan that he will make it right for all of the good people.

Which scriptures? And why?

The Holy Scriptures in which I quoted in my previous posts in this thread.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Pat Robertson is an idiot, and that is basically what is wrong with Xianity, it assigns "bad" things that happen to people to '"sinfulness".

Pat does not follow first-century Christianity.
Christendom or so-called Christianity assigns bad things to people's sinfulness.
According to Jesus (Mark 13:4,5) it is just wrong place, wrong time.
Jesus would have gotten that idea from what King Solomon wrote at Ecc 9:11 that time or chance or an unforeseen occurrence happen to us all.

Jesus did not give blame at either chapters 24 of Matthew or Luke 21.

Jesus is letting us know what conditions would be like on a global scale before there is divine intervention into mankind's affairs when Jesus takes action as described at Isa 11:4; Rev 19:11,15 to rid the earth of these end times of badness on earth, these last days of badness -2nd Tim 3:1-5,13, before Jesus will usher in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill.
Please note: the sheep-like people of Matthew chapter 25 are alive at that time of Jesus action, and they continue to remain living right into Jesus Millennial or 1000-year rule over earth. -Micah 4:3,4.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What is your point, my friend?

Step back and look at the BIG global picture.

Along with all the bad conditions surrounding the globe, at Matthew 24:14 mentions the good news of God's kingdom government would be proclaimed as the solution to mankind's and earth's problems.

When we pick up the newspaper we read about the bad news of men's kingdoms, whereas in contrast Jesus taught about good news that through God's Messianic kingdom rule there will come Peace on Earth by Jesus taking action to remove the wicked. -1st Thess 5:2,3; Rev 11:18 B.

 

[logician]

Step back and look at the BIG global picture.

Along with all the bad conditions surrounding the globe, at Matthew 24:14 mentions the good news of God's kingdom government would be proclaimed as the solution to mankind's and earth's problems.

When we pick up the newspaper we read about the bad news of men's kingdoms, whereas in contrast Jesus taught about good news that through God's Messianic kingdom rule there will come Peace on Earth by Jesus taking action to remove the wicked. -1st Thess 5:2,3; Rev 11:18 B.

Can you give us anything but the usual Xian BS?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Wow, that's one lousy God. Doesn't care about those poor innocents, or just bad aim, or what?

God will deliver the needy and the one who cries for help, the poor also, and the one who has no helper. He will save the poor and afflicted....He will redeem their souls from oppression and violence. Why? because their blood is precious in his eyes.- Psalm 72.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Can you give us anything but the usual Xian BS?

1st Thess 5:2,3 is a precursor to the Great Tribulation of Matt 24:21; Rev 7:14. When the political world is saying 'peace and security' then the world's political 'kings' (Rev 17:2) will go against, or turn on the world's religious sector, (the false religious 'queen' Rev 18:7) that plays false to God. Starting with turning on Christendom who claims to follow Jesus but instead has used his name to further their own agenda instead of Christ's.

Can you prove that with backing the United Nations can Not be strengthened?
Being strengthened the U.N. can turn on the world's religious sector that has run afoul playing false to God and Scripture.

 

[logician]

1st Thess 5:2,3 is a precursor to the Great Tribulation of Matt 24:21; Rev 7:14. When the political world is saying 'peace and security' then the world's political 'kings' (Rev 17:2) will go against, or turn on the world's religious sector, (the false religious 'queen' Rev 18:7) that plays false to God. Starting with turning on Christendom who claims to follow Jesus but instead has used his name to further their own agenda instead of Christ's.

Can you prove that with backing the United Nations can Not be strengthened?
Being strengthened the U.N. can turn on the world's religious sector that has run afoul playing false to God and Scripture.

This is a very arrogant statement, indicative of what is wrong with Xianity and all Evangelical religions.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

This is a very arrogant statement, indicative of what is wrong with Xianity and all Evangelical religions.

What about an answer to the question?

 

[sojourner]

Sometimes the poor and disenfranchised do get caught up in God's punishing earthquake:

"Getting caught in fallout" is much, much different than being the focus of the wrath. Haiti is a whole nation of poor and disenfranchised people. biblically speaking, that would exempt them from any wrathy scariness of God.

Yes, it is written that Jesus spared and condemned. It is also written that God spares and condemn people both great and small. Their merciful examples does not suggest that they will always allow all of the innocent to escape harm and danger in every circumstance.

Read above. Why in the world would God act outside God's precedent and bring such destruction upon someone who is already being systematically destroyed? The answer: God would not.

Yes, God brought about this devastation through the Roman Empire.

Well, this is a 180 degree departure from Pat Robertson. In Pat's scenario, God would have destroyed Rome for their nefarious, pagan ways and spared Jerusalem.
Additionally, I don't believe that for a minute. God didn't "work through Rome to destroy Jerusalem."
Further, Jesus alludes to that in the Gospels which, incidentally, were all written post-destruction. It's not a prophecy. It's an allusion.

I don't know what passage that you are referring to about God retreating somewhere. Because I read no scriptural passage where God retreats.

There is no one single passage. Read the context.
[FONT=&quot]After Babel, God was no longer made visible to all humanity. Throughout the Old Testament account, God retreats further and further into humanity’s background. The last person to whom God was said to be “revealed” was Samuel, in the temple. The last person to whom God was said to have “appeared” was Solomon. The last public miracle occurred on Mount Carmel, when Elijah had a showdown with the priests of Baal. Gradually, the prophetic experience of God becomes one of visions and dreams. After Hezekiah, the experience of God is largely one of personal experience.[/FONT]

The author does have to state that because the cause of the disaster may not have been the focus of his message. Many people of his day probably knew that God causes natural blessings and destructions according to the circumstances; and thus, they may see no need to remind everyone of the author of every natural event. They have the Holy Tanakh to remind them that God is the author and controller of these events.

That's improper exegesis. That's not why the author does that.

Just because you said it doesn't make it true. I trust what is thus written in the Holy Scriptures more than someone's opinion.

Fine. You find one single instance where God specifically brings down wrath upon the poor and disenfranchised -- making them the very target of God's wrath -- not just the "fallout" -- and we'll talk.

I didn't know that. I don't know you. Therefore, I spoke in general and make my observations from what I read from your responses; I stand by this statement.

Your generalization is incorrect. I'm a witness to the contrary. Stubbornness is a poor substitute for steadfastness.

"And there are some Christians who do not read all of the Bible. " ---- OneThatGotAway

No, it didn't get away. I told you that I am a Christian who has read all of the Bible, and that I know specifically of several others. None of us see it your way. Your generalization is incorrect.

Again, I didn't know that you were one of them.

"I am not saying that is you; but just simply saying that there are those kinds of Christians out there in churches today. " ---- OneThatGotAway

No, you said specifically that every Christian who has read the Bible knows...
I said that I am one of them, and since I am included in the set of "every Christian who has read the Bible," that renders your generalization moot.

No, I am not wrong, because I did not know that you were one of those Bible-reading Christians. Just because your friends call you that doesn't get published in my area. My experience has shown me that there are Christians out there who do not read their Bible. Furthermore, there are Christians out there who don't read all of the Bible. And even yet, there are some Christians who pick and choose which Scriptures they like (out of context) while ignoring the others. Again, I don't know if you are those Christians because I don't know you. Therefore, I am not wrong.

Now you've been made aware. You may be able to say "most," or "many," or even "the ones I'm aware of," but to say "all" -- especially after you've been made aware of ones that do not fit your statement, smacks of stubbornness. A truly wise person will change his mind when further details are brought to his attention that renders his first theory incorrect.
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[Autodidact]

I've read where a righteous and holy man name Ayuub (Job) had a tremendous complaint against God; but he refrain from cursing him. And the story goes that his patience paid off. Because Yahweh did answer his prayers and his reason of why he and his family were subjected to those tragedies. In fact, God restored Job and his possessions double because of Job's faithfulness to wait on the explanations of God.

Therefore, to all innocents or poor that may get caught up in tragedy: Yahweh will make their lives much better in the next life. So much that their tragedy would not be remembered. His love for them is not temporary but everlasting. :grill:

Tell you what, One, let's you be the first one to sign up for the better life to come, how does that sound? Let's just off you and your kids, being as how God has a better life waiting for you, O.K? Or are better lives to come only for poor Haitians, not the likes of you?

Oh how I just love and trust in God's plan that he will make it right for all of the good people.

How shall I put this? This form of Christianity absolutely disgusts me. I cannot overstate how morally abhorrent this so-called religion is. I can't contain the horror I feel at the callous disregard for human suffering that you're expressing. If that's what Christianity causes, then I want no part of it.

The Holy Scriptures in which I quoted in my previous posts in this thread.

The Bible? Why those in particular?

 

[Autodidact]

Step back and look at the BIG global picture.

Along with all the bad conditions surrounding the globe, at Matthew 24:14 mentions the good news of God's kingdom government would be proclaimed as the solution to mankind's and earth's problems.

When we pick up the newspaper we read about the bad news of men's kingdoms, whereas in contrast Jesus taught about good news that through God's Messianic kingdom rule there will come Peace on Earth by Jesus taking action to remove the wicked. -1st Thess 5:2,3; Rev 11:18 B.

Do you have anything relevant to say, or are you just here to preach?

 

[Autodidact]

God will deliver the needy and the one who cries for help, the poor also, and the one who has no helper. He will save the poor and afflicted....He will redeem their souls from oppression and violence. Why? because their blood is precious in his eyes.- Psalm 72.

If by "deliver" you mean "kill," and "save" means "destroy," yeah, he's right on the job.