sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
God doesn't react. God is always proactive. God initiates. We respond.
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Pat Robertson says Haiti under a Curse
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LittleNipper
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Not so when one goes to Hell.
Autodidact
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How was the weather?
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
There is none.
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
CHRIST saves me from all sin-----even that one. I do not say who will go to hell. The Bible is clear. Those who reject CHRIST will be rejected.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
"One" doesn't "go to hell." God's design is that all God's children be reconciled. I trust that will happen. Because that is what God has initiated for humanity through Jesus.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Hot. But it's a dry heat...:sarcastic
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
Where does it say that in the Bible?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The Bible is also clear on this point: That the shepherd will leave the 99 and search for the one that is lost until it is found.
MSizer
MSizer
So I was born an atheist and I will be punished for it? I'm afraid that just isn't in harmony with my meagre sense of justice. One would think that an all knowing being should be able to impress me with his wisdom about justice.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
"Every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
For starters.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I hope that, one day, you'll be duly impressed.
That's all I have to say about that.
MSizer
MSizer
I as an atheist, not to mention one who argues for atheism in hopes of d-converting Believers have, if I am wrong, abused my "privilidge" of life in the worst imaginable way. I have made intentional attempts to lead people away from god. The fact that I don't loose a moment of sleep over it is a testament to my certitude. God, if I'm wrong, and he exists, has for me the worst punishment possible in store. Anyway, excuse me while I go take a nap so as to warm up for more deconversions.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Bwahahaha!
I still trust that, one day, you'll be duly impressed.
Rest up. You're gonna need it.
Autodidact
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And again--why would we pay particular attention to that book?
This thread is somewhat like riding a merry go round. Their logic is so circular I think I'm getting dizzy!:faint:
OneThatGotAway
Servant of Yahweh God Almighty
Sometimes the poor and disenfranchised do get caught up in God's punishing earthquake:
[14] And Lute went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for YAHWEH will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.
[15] And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lute, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. ---- First Holy Book of Mashe (Moses) 19:14-15
Now, Lute (Lot) tried to spare his innocent and/or undeserving sons-in-law from the God's natural devastating judgment on the cities of Sodom and Omarah (Gomorrah). The angels warned Lute that this punishment is neither for him, nor his wife, nor his daughters. However, they warned Lute that he and his family too stands to receive this destruction of iniquity if do not leave this city. And yet Lute's innocent sons-in-laws receive City of Sodom's evil destruction.
Yes, it is written that Jesus spared and condemned. It is also written that God spares and condemn people both great and small. Their merciful examples does not suggest that they will always allow all of the innocent to escape harm and danger in every circumstance. For example, Jesus predicted the destruction of Jerusalem; which occurred around 70 C.E. I am sure the Roman soldiers were not merciful to many innocent women and children during this devastation who were either murdered, rape, and enslave. Yes, God brought about this devastation through the Roman Empire.
I don't know what passage that you are referring to about God retreating somewhere. Because I read no scriptural passage where God retreats.
The author does have to state that because the cause of the disaster may not have been the focus of his message. Many people of his day probably knew that God causes natural blessings and destructions according to the circumstances; and thus, they may see no need to remind everyone of the author of every natural event. They have the Holy Tanakh to remind them that God is the author and controller of these events.
Just because you said it doesn't make it true. I trust what is thus written in the Holy Scriptures more than someone's opinion.
I didn't know that. I don't know you. Therefore, I spoke in general and make my observations from what I read from your responses; I stand by this statement.
"And there are some Christians who do not read all of the Bible. " ---- OneThatGotAway
Again, I didn't know that you were one of them.
"I am not saying that is you; but just simply saying that there are those kinds of Christians out there in churches today. " ---- OneThatGotAway
" every Bible-reading Christian knows that God punishes the evil doer with war and natural destructions. ---- OneThatGotAway
You're wrong. And probably more so than just that assertion.[/quote]
No, I am not wrong, because I did not know that you were one of those Bible-reading Christians. Just because your friends call you that doesn't get published in my area. My experience has shown me that there are Christians out there who do not read their Bible. Furthermore, there are Christians out there who don't read all of the Bible. And even yet, there are some Christians who pick and choose which Scriptures they like (out of context) while ignoring the others. Again, I don't know if you are those Christians because I don't know you. Therefore, I am not wrong.
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OneThatGotAway
Servant of Yahweh God Almighty
Originally Posted by OneThatGotAway View Post
On the surface, I can see how many people might come to this conclusion (even myself earlier in life). However, I dig more deeper into the research of God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and came to understand that he really loves his creation; but he hates the works of the evil doer. Because I believe that he knows that the evil doer will eventually hurt the innocent and eventually destroy life on earth.
I'm just saying what many people are either afraid to say or don't want to admit it. The Almighty God has brought destruction in the past to evil-doers. I have not found any evidence in Holy Scriptures to say that he is done with that kind of punishment for the wicked. Sorry, but that is the sad truth that I have found in his Holy Books.
Nevertheless, I read somewhere (and still believe it) that he is compassionate and loving to bless millions of those that do good to others. Including the surviving Haitians.
Don't take my word for it. I also read somewhere where Yahushuo (Jesus) also said:
"If ye love me, keep my commandments." ---- John 14:15
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." ---- John 15:10
The above verses sounds conditional to me. Furthermore, it is written...
"But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he [John The Baptist] said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?" ---- Matthew 3:7
[Jesus]: [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? ---- Matthew 23:33
"Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire." ---- Holy Prophet Yeshoyahu (Isaiah) 29:6
"And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven." ---- Revelation 11:13
The above verses testifies to Yahweh's past and future punishment of evil-doers using several ways including earthquakes.
On the surface, I can see how many people might come to this conclusion (even myself earlier in life). However, I dig more deeper into the research of God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and came to understand that he really loves his creation; but he hates the works of the evil doer. Because I believe that he knows that the evil doer will eventually hurt the innocent and eventually destroy life on earth.
I'm just saying what many people are either afraid to say or don't want to admit it. The Almighty God has brought destruction in the past to evil-doers. I have not found any evidence in Holy Scriptures to say that he is done with that kind of punishment for the wicked. Sorry, but that is the sad truth that I have found in his Holy Books.
Nevertheless, I read somewhere (and still believe it) that he is compassionate and loving to bless millions of those that do good to others. Including the surviving Haitians.
Don't take my word for it. I also read somewhere where Yahushuo (Jesus) also said:
"If ye love me, keep my commandments." ---- John 14:15
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." ---- John 15:10
The above verses sounds conditional to me. Furthermore, it is written...
"But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he [John The Baptist] said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?" ---- Matthew 3:7
[Jesus]: [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? ---- Matthew 23:33
"Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire." ---- Holy Prophet Yeshoyahu (Isaiah) 29:6
"And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven." ---- Revelation 11:13
The above verses testifies to Yahweh's past and future punishment of evil-doers using several ways including earthquakes.
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Autodidact
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Wow, that's one lousy God. Doesn't care about those poor innocents, or just bad aim, or what?
Which scriptures? And why?