Pat Robertson says Haiti under a Curse

[OneThatGotAway]

NEW YORK - Pat Robertson, the American Christian televangelist and host of "The 700 Club," said that Haitians need to have a "great turning to god" Tuesday while he was reporting on the devastating 7.0 earthquake — the most powerful to hit the country in a century.

As Haitian Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellerive said "well over" 100,000 people may have died in the natural disaster, Robertson took to the airwaves Wednesday on his show and said that the country has been "cursed by one thing after another" since they "swore a pact to the devil."

"Something happened a long time ago in Haiti and people might not want to talk about," Robertson said Tuesday.

"They were under the heel of the French, you know Napoleon the third and whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the prince.' True story. And so the devil said, 'OK it’s a deal.' And they kicked the French out. The Haitians revolted and got something themselves free. But ever since they have been cursed by one thing after another," Robertson said.

This is not the first time the former Republican presidential candidate has made controversial comments in the wake of disasters.

He has linked Hurricane Katrina and terrorist attacks to legalized abortion.

"I was reading, yesterday, a book that was very interesting about what God has to say in the Old Testament about those who shed innocent blood…But have we found we are unable somehow to defend ourselves against some of the attacks that are coming against us, either by terrorists or now by natural disaster? Could they be connected in some way?" Robertson said in a September 12, 2005 broadcast of "The 700 Club," soon after Hurricane Katrina.

Pat Robertson: Haiti "Cursed" After "Pact to the Devil" - Crimesider - CBS News

Although I don't agree with all of the Cause & Effect suggested by Pat Robertson; nevertheless, he does make one valid point that ever Bible believing Christian knows for a fact: God did cause this earthquake to happen to the people of Haiti.

Now it is good to help those suffering from this tragedy; but it is even more important to find out WHY God punished these people with an earthquake. What sin did some of these people do to deserve this kind of punishment? Anybody claiming that God does not punish some of these people this way are ignoring the Holy Scriptures that mentions the punishments of God. This is what Pat Robertson finds and quotes from the Holy Bible. And if I was subjected to this kind of tragedy in Haiti, I would be seeking God to see why did this happen to me.

Shabbath Shaluum :candle:

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[blackout]

Although I don't agree with all of the Cause & Effect suggested by Pat Robertson; nevertheless, he does make one valid point that ever Bible believing Christian knows for a fact: God did cause this earthquake to happen to the people of Haiti.

Now it is good to help those suffering from this tragedy; but it is even more important to find out WHY God punished these people with an earthquake. What sin did some of these people do to deserve this kind of punishment? Anybody claiming that God does not punish some of these people this way are ignoring the Holy Scriptures that mentions the punishments of God. This is what Pat Robertson finds and quotes from the Holy Bible. And if I was subjected to this kind of tragedy in Haiti, I would be seeking God to see why did this happen to me.

Shabbath Shaluum :candle:

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Wow. and when something terrible and tragic happens in your own home,
to your family, i wonder that you would say god "caused" it.
and that you are being punished.

(or perhaps you would choose to blame your neighbors instead)
(for corrupting your neighborhood and all)

 

[challupa]

Although I don't agree with all of the Cause & Effect suggested by Pat Robertson; nevertheless, he does make one valid point that ever Bible believing Christian knows for a fact: God did cause this earthquake to happen to the people of Haiti.

Now it is good to help those suffering from this tragedy; but it is even more important to find out WHY God punished these people with an earthquake. What sin did some of these people do to deserve this kind of punishment? Anybody claiming that God does not punish some of these people this way are ignoring the Holy Scriptures that mentions the punishments of God. This is what Pat Robertson finds and quotes from the Holy Bible. And if I was subjected to this kind of tragedy in Haiti, I would be seeking God to see why did this happen to me.

Shabbath Shaluum :candle:

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Boy, disasters sure do bring out the best in people don't they!!!! Where are all these people coming from today?:slap::thud:

 

[Buttons*]

NEW YORK - Pat Robertson, the American Christian televangelist and host of "The 700 Club," said that Haitians need to have a "great turning to god" Tuesday while he was reporting on the devastating 7.0 earthquake — the most powerful to hit the country in a century.

As Haitian Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellerive said "well over" 100,000 people may have died in the natural disaster, Robertson took to the airwaves Wednesday on his show and said that the country has been "cursed by one thing after another" since they "swore a pact to the devil."

"Something happened a long time ago in Haiti and people might not want to talk about," Robertson said Tuesday.

"They were under the heel of the French, you know Napoleon the third and whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the prince.' True story. And so the devil said, 'OK it’s a deal.' And they kicked the French out. The Haitians revolted and got something themselves free. But ever since they have been cursed by one thing after another," Robertson said.

If this is really what's going on, New Zealand (with about 30% of the population identifying as "not religious") should be wiped off the face of the Earth by now due to God's divine justice.

 

[Archer]

If this is really what's going on, New Zealand (with about 30% of the population identifying as "not religious") should be wiped off the face of the Earth by now due to God's divine justice.

No they are not religious they will be fine. They have a chance as they did not practice voodoo (or make a deal with the devil:faint.

 

[gnomon]

NEW YORK - Pat Robertson, the American Christian televangelist and host of "The 700 Club," said that Haitians need to have a "great turning to god" Tuesday while he was reporting on the devastating 7.0 earthquake — the most powerful to hit the country in a century.

As Haitian Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellerive said "well over" 100,000 people may have died in the natural disaster, Robertson took to the airwaves Wednesday on his show and said that the country has been "cursed by one thing after another" since they "swore a pact to the devil."

"Something happened a long time ago in Haiti and people might not want to talk about," Robertson said Tuesday.

"They were under the heel of the French, you know Napoleon the third and whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the prince.' True story. And so the devil said, 'OK it’s a deal.' And they kicked the French out. The Haitians revolted and got something themselves free. But ever since they have been cursed by one thing after another," Robertson said.

This is not the first time the former Republican presidential candidate has made controversial comments in the wake of disasters.

He has linked Hurricane Katrina and terrorist attacks to legalized abortion.

"I was reading, yesterday, a book that was very interesting about what God has to say in the Old Testament about those who shed innocent blood…But have we found we are unable somehow to defend ourselves against some of the attacks that are coming against us, either by terrorists or now by natural disaster? Could they be connected in some way?" Robertson said in a September 12, 2005 broadcast of "The 700 Club," soon after Hurricane Katrina.

Pat Robertson: Haiti "Cursed" After "Pact to the Devil" - Crimesider - CBS News

That's our Pat.

He's like Ol' Faithful. But rather than spewing forth steam he bends over, grabs his ankles and really blows it out from deep within the bowels.

 

[Buttons*]

No they are not religious they will be fine. They have a chance as they did not practice voodoo (or make a deal with the devil:faint.

Who said they hadn't? What if the rest of the population are devil worshippers?

 

[Archer]

Who said they hadn't? What if the rest of the population are devil worshippers?

But did they make a deal with him? I can worship a sexy woman but I am not making a deal with her. And do they practice voodoo?

But really it is a thought after reading the demographics of Haiti, what damage did the DR receive?

 

[kai]

Although I don't agree with all of the Cause & Effect suggested by Pat Robertson; nevertheless, he does make one valid point that ever Bible believing Christian knows for a fact: God did cause this earthquake to happen to the people of Haiti.

Now it is good to help those suffering from this tragedy; but it is even more important to find out WHY God punished these people with an earthquake. What sin did some of these people do to deserve this kind of punishment? Anybody claiming that God does not punish some of these people this way are ignoring the Holy Scriptures that mentions the punishments of God. This is what Pat Robertson finds and quotes from the Holy Bible. And if I was subjected to this kind of tragedy in Haiti, I would be seeking God to see why did this happen to me.

Shabbath Shaluum :candle:

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oh man!!!! 2010 and we still have to put up with this stuff

 

[Buttons*]

But did they make a deal with him? I can worship a sexy woman but I am not making a deal with her. And do they practice voodoo?

But really it is a thought after reading the demographics of Haiti, what damage did the DR receive?

Well, if turning away France is equal to making a deal with the devil, New Zealand has done that, actually. I know that a few people here are pagan, and many are Rastas.... so if you count paganism as making a pact with Satan... we're doomed down here.

 

[Archer]

Well, if turning away France is equal to making a deal with the devil, New Zealand has done that, actually. I know that a few people here are pagan, and many are Rastas.... so if you count paganism as making a pact with Satan... we're doomed down here.

I dont think so! there are more reasons than just voodoo. I am not making light of this disaster either. It is funny how we can watch a country like this just sit there and rot and when a disaster comes we are then concerned. This is more about the world and our actions in light of this disaster.

 

[sojourner]

Although I don't agree with all of the Cause & Effect suggested by Pat Robertson; nevertheless, he does make one valid point that ever Bible believing Christian knows for a fact: God did cause this earthquake to happen to the people of Haiti.

Now it is good to help those suffering from this tragedy; but it is even more important to find out WHY God punished these people with an earthquake. What sin did some of these people do to deserve this kind of punishment? Anybody claiming that God does not punish some of these people this way are ignoring the Holy Scriptures that mentions the punishments of God. This is what Pat Robertson finds and quotes from the Holy Bible. And if I was subjected to this kind of tragedy in Haiti, I would be seeking God to see why did this happen to me.

Shabbath Shaluum :candle:

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And yet, God holds back God's wrath, and does not punish us as we deserve. He fills our lives with good things, and his compassion and mercy are boundless. I am a Christian. I believe the Bible. Yet, know that God didn't cause this earthquake to happen in order to punish Haiti. So your statement is wrong. I am part of the set of "every Christian," and I don't know what you claim "every Christian knows."

 

[Kathryn]

Wow, suddenly people are concerned about safety, education, stability, poverty, democracy, etc. in Haiti and think that "the world" should step in and "help" the common people.

Isn't that what some people want to do in the Middle East - provide an infrastructure so that the common people can be more safe, the children can be educated, the communities are stable, poverty is reduced, and the system of government is less corrupt and more democratic?

And yet those people are told that it's none of their business - stay out of the Middle East.

So - when we see a region in the grip of poverty, corruption, lack of basics when it comes to education and infrastructure, people living in huts made of plastic sheeting, with some of the lowest incomes in the world - wait - do we step in or do we stay out of it? I don't understand...

 

[Buttons*]

Kathryn, don't you know? We're only meant to help when a natural disaster hits someone When other people in other countries cause harm to their own, it's their problem to sort out... unless it's Darfur. Genocide on a scale of say... close to Hitler range is considered... and Stalin is too much for us to handle. There's a nice neat little package of things we "should" be concerned about, and others that we aren't. (Apparently.) Of course, we COULD save the entire world, but instead, we've decided to get on computers and ***** at each other for not doing enough for the world. Interesting isn't it?

Anyway, I guess we're meant to be helping out countries that fit the following descriptions:

- Have a natural disaster occur OR/AND mass genocide
- Where a minority is being oppressed BUT must not exceed the damage in numbers that was accomplished by Stalin
- Have low health and/or living standards
- Cannot have elected leaders that do this damage to themselves under an elected number of deaths.
- The prospective Nation also must have something we want, and/or have treaties with us
- Religion is considered on a case by case basis.

(Cheeky post, yes, but it's also something to think about.)

 

[Autodidact]

Actually, there is some evidence to the contrary. Enough that doctors are beginning to sit up and take notice that patients who are prayed for improve more quickly.

See the cites I posted earlier. This is simply false. There is one study that at first appeared to show this effect, but when others reviewed the methodology, it turned out to be bogus. The researchers went back and revised their protocol after gathering data--a huge no-no, also called "drawing the bulls-eye around the arrows." See the Duke meta-study for the strongest conclusions. Intercessory prayer has NO measurable benefit. None. Zip. Nada.

 

[Autodidact]

Although I don't agree with all of the Cause & Effect suggested by Pat Robertson; nevertheless, he does make one valid point that ever Bible believing Christian knows for a fact: God did cause this earthquake to happen to the people of Haiti.

Now it is good to help those suffering from this tragedy; but it is even more important to find out WHY God punished these people with an earthquake. What sin did some of these people do to deserve this kind of punishment? Anybody claiming that God does not punish some of these people this way are ignoring the Holy Scriptures that mentions the punishments of God. This is what Pat Robertson finds and quotes from the Holy Bible. And if I was subjected to this kind of tragedy in Haiti, I would be seeking God to see why did this happen to me.

Shabbath Shaluum :candle:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/articles/nab/some-god-of-love.jpg

And this is the divine being you worship--not just not benevolent, but actively malevolent. Your God deliberately inflicts pain, suffering, and death on innocent people, including children and babies. That is an abhorrent concept.

 

[sojourner]

See the cites I posted earlier. This is simply false. There is one study that at first appeared to show this effect, but when others reviewed the methodology, it turned out to be bogus. The researchers went back and revised their protocol after gathering data--a huge no-no, also called "drawing the bulls-eye around the arrows." See the Duke meta-study for the strongest conclusions. Intercessory prayer has NO measurable benefit. None. Zip. Nada.

That we know of.

 

[Autodidact]

That we know of.

Correct, but not because we haven't tried. Researchers have used good methodology to search for such an effect and found it not to be present. The results were so strong that the consensus now is it is not an area meriting further investigation.

 

[applewuud]

I guess I really should not be surprised that there are those on here who actually think that natural disasters, economic down-turns, and terrorist attacks are the direct result of either Gods wraith, or God withdrawing his protection.
The feeble attempt at causation is ignorance at best, and a deep-down desire for the so called "sinner" to perish by Gods hands at worst.

The other effect of Pat Robertson's theological position is that it removes us, and our economic system, from any culpability in the human disaster unfolding in Haiti. The buildings and infrastructure down there are substandard and dangerous at least in part because of our exploitation of that society, and the failure of our economic model to work for the betterment of those people. Haiti was a relatively prosperous country before so-called free trade wiped out a good chunk of their agriculture and drove people into the slums near Port au Prince.

Pat Robertson, as a Republican presidential candidate, was a key supporter of that economic model. So, it's easier to say that the terrible conditions in Haiti are part of a supernatural design, than to cop to any doubt that our capitalist, free-trade system is less than perfect.

The "devil worship" excuse also is a subconscious racist appeal to Robertson's supporters, drawing on the history that a successful slave rebellion (that made Haiti the second democratic country in the Western Hemisphere, to the chagrin of American slaveholders) must have been non-Christian, supported by those dark African devils.

 

[sojourner]

Correct, but not because we haven't tried. Researchers have used good methodology to search for such an effect and found it not to be present. The results were so strong that the consensus now is it is not an area meriting further investigation.

As far as we know. Maybe we just don't know how to set up the experiment in the proper way, or know what it is exactly that we're measuring, or how to quantify it. After all, it sounds like they're treating prayer like rubbing a magic lamp -- as if prayer were a magic bullet. It doesn't work that way. As long as that's what they're measuring, of course they're gonna come up with negative results. That's actually good for our side. Otherwise, prayer would be diminished to something we do properly, as opposed to something God does according to God's best intentions for us.