dybmh
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No one stole their land. Don't be ridiculous. You can repeat it all you want. It's still not true. By those standards you stole the land you're sitting on right now.
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Perceptions of Israel Before and After the Start of the War
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No one stole their land. Don't be ridiculous. You can repeat it all you want. It's still not true. By those standards you stole the land you're sitting on right now.
dybmh
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Luis. It was east Jerusalem. I'm pretty sure no one lost their homes. We need to know the end of the story. That fellow from the video. I think he was deported.
dybmh
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What land was stolen?
By whom?
From whom?
Name?
Dates?
Proof of ownership?
Anything? Any details? Any facts?
You guess it was stolen?
There is plenty of reason to consider the Israeli government racist even if Gaza is excluded from the conversation.
dybmh
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I don't trust you. I don't think you'll ever tell me the full unfiltered truth about anything.
Everything I see you post is going through an opportunistic lens.
As I've noted before, there is this similarity which could be a foundation for something better for everyone. I would start with however many people of honor there be and greet each other with the traditional wish for peace from their respective languages. Recognizing each others are fully worthy human being who want to build a foundation of peace could be a great place to start. (NB: I'm not naive enough to believe there will be automatically sweetness and light but without a shared foundation nothing can be accomplished).
The greeting:
Hebrew: Shalom aleichem שָׁלוֹם עֲלֵיכֶם Peace be unto you
Arabic As-salamu alaykum[ ٱلسَّلَامُ عَلَيْكُم Peace be unto you
The response:
Hebrew: aleichem shalom עֲלֵיכֶם שָׁלוֹם unto you peace
Arabic: alaykumu s-salam وَعَلَيْكُم ٱلسَّلَام upon you, peace
To someone immune to information.
Nah. A waste of time.
To be very specific: Let's say two farmers, one Muslim and one a Jew get into a dispute about who owns a sheep to take a specific example. What I've seen in the new tells me that the Israeli government will favor the Jewish farmer over the Muslim one.
Also, I know arguing semantics does not go far, but I'm also pointing out that "racism" does not apply because both Jew and Muslim are Semites. If someone flings around such terms and especially use a word designed to trigger memories, nazi, I see they are interested in insults not in dialog.
Finally without getting into your dispute with @Jayhawker Soule , I won't say who I agree with, but I will agree with you that with such a mess as we have, specific events that are actionable is really, REALLY important.
dybmh
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I think it's a nice idea. I hope it wouldn't be received as patronizing.
dybmh
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You guess it was stolen. Got it.
Looks like you feel confident that you know the main relevant facts about the situation.
That is a lot of responsibility. Do you feel like explaining the general gist of removal of Palestinians from their former houses in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank? Some sources and dates would be very useful.
dybmh
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I'm talking about the video. What are you talking about?
EinGeheimkonto
Member
I used to be or less neutral about it. I thought "Yeah, Israel is just trying to survive in a very unstable part of the world".
But Israel has gone far beyond “going after Hamas” or "defending themselves". Just imagine if Russia did even half of what Israel is doing.
But Israel has gone far beyond “going after Hamas” or "defending themselves". Just imagine if Russia did even half of what Israel is doing.
If not about racist regime so why Israel just killed 40 thousands innocent
Palestinian?
If Gaza were Jews, do you think Israel would act the same ?
Since you "all Pro-israel" don't see that main problem is Israel regime which consider racist regime, which push Palestinian to resist.
There is no hope of peace.
Because no nation in world accept to live under occupation of racist regime.
After this war end, the world will know how much evil is Israel regime.
Allow me answer your important questions instead him by only maner please you .
Land is for Jews.
From Jews.
To Jews.
all jews names.
Since bigbang to Forever are there.
Nothing, No details yet.No facts Only fact is 7 oct fact available.
No one steal no one, sorry for bother you.
Execuse us to be exist.
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McBell
Admiral Obvious
Auto-generated transcript of the first video put behind spoilers so those not interested do not have to scroll for a week to get past it:
we're going to begin this news AIS with
videos emerging out of Gaza appearing to
show summary executions of Palestinians
by Israeli soldiers Al jazer has
obtained the videos and let me give you
a warning some of you might find them
disturbing we're choosing not to show
the moment of death in the videos they
were taken around arid Street that's the
coastal Road connecting North and South
Gaza Israel has designated it as a safe
zone for Palestinians wanting to move
between the areas this footage is from
June 1st it shows a person walking along
the beach Israeli soldiers appear to
have stopped them and moments later the
person is shot this next video is set to
show a group of Palestinians walking
North on May 17th one of them steps out
of the group and raises their hands in
the air apparently showing that they're
unarmed they're shot within minutes then
the video appears to show soldiers
coming in to take the person's body
away and in this footage another person
is standing in the same area with their
hands in the air this is shortly before
their shot by Israeli Soldiers the same
then happens to another person later
we're going to bring in Anthony
Lowenstein he's the author of The
Palestine laboratory it's a book on
Israel's arms and surveillance industry
he's joining us live from Sydney thank
you very much indeed for being with us I
I wanted you to help me out with some
context first of all geographically um
what's your understanding of where the
safe Zone was at this
time well the truth is there is no safe
Zone as every viewer will know I mean
Israel has claimed at various points in
the last eight plus months that certain
parts of Gaza were safe zones
particularly in the last month or so for
example where around 800,000 to a
million Palestinians from Rua moved
slightly away from the border um on
Egypt but there was no safe Zone because
those areas were also bombed so there
are no safe zones despite what Israel
claims and this set of footage that
you're showing is just yet the latest
example of the complete ality really and
unaccountability of Israeli forces there
without any kind of Rules of Engagement
of course Israeli military says their
Rules of Engagement if you ask them
directly but as we've seen for a long
time in Gaza and frankly long before
October 7 those Rules of Engagement are
lacks at best one of the um when it
comes to situations like this one of the
arguments that are or defenses shall we
say that is in put forward by the
Israeli military is that individuals
would POS some sort of threat to the
Troops or they were encroaching on some
sort of military installation you've
seen the pictures what's your
interpretation would that argument stand
up no is the short answer and it's
similar to what we saw I think about a
month or so ago also in alier from
footage Drone footage of Palestinians
unarmed who are walking in an open field
nothing near a military installation who
were shot dead a number of them and this
is a fits into a long-standing pattern
and almost certainly if Israel does
respond to this they will say yes we'll
investigate it was against the rules of
engagement we deeply apologize but it's
never goes anywhere and that's similar
to what we've seen for example of huge
amounts of Israeli soldiers documenting
on Tik Tok and other social media
platforms are there abuses of
Palestinians the humiliation of
Palestinians and the idea that there's a
particular safe Zone I think also goes
to the heart of what Israel's creating
in Gaza which is large buff zones that
in the current negotiations for a
so-called ceasefire which appear to be
stalled yet again there is a talk a
demand from Hamas that all Israeli
forces would inevitably withdraw in a
reasonable amount of time but Israel has
been creating for months largely out of
the International Eye buffer zones where
around 16 to 20% of Gaza has essentially
being gobbled up by this so-called
buffer zone and there's no suggestion
for that they would ever leave that
buffer zone essentially allowing them
access in the North and the South of
Gaza anytime they want when and if the
war ends so the idea of safe zones are a
myth tragically we are talking about a
war zone and soldiers combat troops
Under Fire um can be under significant
stress is there anything in these
pictures to indicate that the soldiers
may have been responding um to a
stressful
situation look not that we're saying
obviously it's possible to know exactly
what happened before this footage and
what happened slightly after but it fits
into a long-standing pattern as I say of
Israeli soldiers being trigger happy and
this has been since October 7 along the
Israel Gaza border for years we only
have to remember a number of years ago
the so-called Gaza March of return where
thousands of Palestinians were shot many
of them maimed forever for simply
walking towards a fence in Gaza and huge
numbers of alians were killed as well so
yes Israeli soldiers would feel under
threat that's no doubt true because it's
a war zone but that does not justify any
kind of killing of unarmed civilians
nothing justifies that whatsoever
Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly
referred to the Israeli military as the
most moral army in the world do these
pictures reflect
that I mean the idea that in 20124 the
Israeli government and many it of its
supporters claim that there's any such
thing as a moral Army I mean the concept
of armies by definition You could argue
are immoral and what I mean by that is
that if you look at the US military in
the last 20 years Iraq or Afghanistan or
the Israeli military in Gaza or the West
Bank or frankly Lebanon in the last
years immorality is the point Mass
killing is the point Mass Slaughter is
the point as we've seen in Gaza since
October 7 the idea of having potentially
40 to 50,000 Palestinians killed the
vast majority of whom are civilians no
one really buys this argument that
Israel is a moral Army its greatest
backers and supporters might support
that or believe that delusion but no one
who's rational does and that's why in
many parts of the world now particularly
young people in the US Israel's image
has tanked completely tanked and that's
the problem that Israel is going to have
moving forward atie L winstein we
appreciate you being with us in Al so
thank you very much indeed for your
time thank
you make sure to subscribe our channel
to get the latest news from alaz
videos emerging out of Gaza appearing to
show summary executions of Palestinians
by Israeli soldiers Al jazer has
obtained the videos and let me give you
a warning some of you might find them
disturbing we're choosing not to show
the moment of death in the videos they
were taken around arid Street that's the
coastal Road connecting North and South
Gaza Israel has designated it as a safe
zone for Palestinians wanting to move
between the areas this footage is from
June 1st it shows a person walking along
the beach Israeli soldiers appear to
have stopped them and moments later the
person is shot this next video is set to
show a group of Palestinians walking
North on May 17th one of them steps out
of the group and raises their hands in
the air apparently showing that they're
unarmed they're shot within minutes then
the video appears to show soldiers
coming in to take the person's body
away and in this footage another person
is standing in the same area with their
hands in the air this is shortly before
their shot by Israeli Soldiers the same
then happens to another person later
we're going to bring in Anthony
Lowenstein he's the author of The
Palestine laboratory it's a book on
Israel's arms and surveillance industry
he's joining us live from Sydney thank
you very much indeed for being with us I
I wanted you to help me out with some
context first of all geographically um
what's your understanding of where the
safe Zone was at this
time well the truth is there is no safe
Zone as every viewer will know I mean
Israel has claimed at various points in
the last eight plus months that certain
parts of Gaza were safe zones
particularly in the last month or so for
example where around 800,000 to a
million Palestinians from Rua moved
slightly away from the border um on
Egypt but there was no safe Zone because
those areas were also bombed so there
are no safe zones despite what Israel
claims and this set of footage that
you're showing is just yet the latest
example of the complete ality really and
unaccountability of Israeli forces there
without any kind of Rules of Engagement
of course Israeli military says their
Rules of Engagement if you ask them
directly but as we've seen for a long
time in Gaza and frankly long before
October 7 those Rules of Engagement are
lacks at best one of the um when it
comes to situations like this one of the
arguments that are or defenses shall we
say that is in put forward by the
Israeli military is that individuals
would POS some sort of threat to the
Troops or they were encroaching on some
sort of military installation you've
seen the pictures what's your
interpretation would that argument stand
up no is the short answer and it's
similar to what we saw I think about a
month or so ago also in alier from
footage Drone footage of Palestinians
unarmed who are walking in an open field
nothing near a military installation who
were shot dead a number of them and this
is a fits into a long-standing pattern
and almost certainly if Israel does
respond to this they will say yes we'll
investigate it was against the rules of
engagement we deeply apologize but it's
never goes anywhere and that's similar
to what we've seen for example of huge
amounts of Israeli soldiers documenting
on Tik Tok and other social media
platforms are there abuses of
Palestinians the humiliation of
Palestinians and the idea that there's a
particular safe Zone I think also goes
to the heart of what Israel's creating
in Gaza which is large buff zones that
in the current negotiations for a
so-called ceasefire which appear to be
stalled yet again there is a talk a
demand from Hamas that all Israeli
forces would inevitably withdraw in a
reasonable amount of time but Israel has
been creating for months largely out of
the International Eye buffer zones where
around 16 to 20% of Gaza has essentially
being gobbled up by this so-called
buffer zone and there's no suggestion
for that they would ever leave that
buffer zone essentially allowing them
access in the North and the South of
Gaza anytime they want when and if the
war ends so the idea of safe zones are a
myth tragically we are talking about a
war zone and soldiers combat troops
Under Fire um can be under significant
stress is there anything in these
pictures to indicate that the soldiers
may have been responding um to a
stressful
situation look not that we're saying
obviously it's possible to know exactly
what happened before this footage and
what happened slightly after but it fits
into a long-standing pattern as I say of
Israeli soldiers being trigger happy and
this has been since October 7 along the
Israel Gaza border for years we only
have to remember a number of years ago
the so-called Gaza March of return where
thousands of Palestinians were shot many
of them maimed forever for simply
walking towards a fence in Gaza and huge
numbers of alians were killed as well so
yes Israeli soldiers would feel under
threat that's no doubt true because it's
a war zone but that does not justify any
kind of killing of unarmed civilians
nothing justifies that whatsoever
Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly
referred to the Israeli military as the
most moral army in the world do these
pictures reflect
that I mean the idea that in 20124 the
Israeli government and many it of its
supporters claim that there's any such
thing as a moral Army I mean the concept
of armies by definition You could argue
are immoral and what I mean by that is
that if you look at the US military in
the last 20 years Iraq or Afghanistan or
the Israeli military in Gaza or the West
Bank or frankly Lebanon in the last
years immorality is the point Mass
killing is the point Mass Slaughter is
the point as we've seen in Gaza since
October 7 the idea of having potentially
40 to 50,000 Palestinians killed the
vast majority of whom are civilians no
one really buys this argument that
Israel is a moral Army its greatest
backers and supporters might support
that or believe that delusion but no one
who's rational does and that's why in
many parts of the world now particularly
young people in the US Israel's image
has tanked completely tanked and that's
the problem that Israel is going to have
moving forward atie L winstein we
appreciate you being with us in Al so
thank you very much indeed for your
time thank
you make sure to subscribe our channel
to get the latest news from alaz
Youtube does not offer a transcript of the second video at this time.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Transcript of the above quoted video:
he waves a small white flag at them but
the White Flag doesn't prevent soldiers
from opening fire on
him an Israeli bulldozer arrives on the
scene and here we see the body of the
first man on the
ground in a final indignity the giant
bulldozer shovels the two bodies and
buries them in sand and
litter
the Israeli soldiers attempt to conceal
the
executions the whereabouts of a group of
Palestinian Witnesses is
unknown Hammer says in any ceasefire
agreement the right of Palestinians to
return to their homes safely without
being shot at by Israeli troops must be
included
make sure to subscribe to our channel to
get the latest news from Al
jazer
the White Flag doesn't prevent soldiers
from opening fire on
him an Israeli bulldozer arrives on the
scene and here we see the body of the
first man on the
ground in a final indignity the giant
bulldozer shovels the two bodies and
buries them in sand and
litter
the Israeli soldiers attempt to conceal
the
executions the whereabouts of a group of
Palestinian Witnesses is
unknown Hammer says in any ceasefire
agreement the right of Palestinians to
return to their homes safely without
being shot at by Israeli troops must be
included
make sure to subscribe to our channel to
get the latest news from Al
jazer
So, without "arguing semantics" you've decided to do so, and do so poorly.
Were you to have tried something as simply as Googling "racism meaning" you could have easily discovered:
noun: racism
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
Are you seriously claiming that Palestinians do not constitute a particular ethnic group that has been been marginalized?
Brilliant. Perhaps you could start with Israel and apartheid.
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OK. I am far more concerned about maintaining the trust of those I respect.
dybmh
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You're most concerned about your campaign. Less concerned about being fair, kind, and just.