Please Explain: "Gay Christian"

[firedragon]

LOL! Of course my quote and translation are correct! AND - I have read this whole thread - and posted throughout it - and I mentioned those Qadesh back in post # 19.

My apologies is needed here. I mistook this thread to another thread called Leviticus and Homosexuality or something. Thus, I was wondering why you were quoting a random verse from the bible on Qhadesh etc.

Not that I agree but I apologise for the mistake. I like you by the way.

 

[Ingledsva]

LOL! Of course my quote and translation are correct! AND - I have read this whole thread - and posted throughout it - and I mentioned those Qadesh back in post # 19.

You don't know about the Qadesh taking God and Goddess roles? What do you think the Holy Prostitutes were doing in the Temple?

And of course Qadesh means Sacred - and Sacred Prostitute. Look up Qadesh # 6945 and Qadeshah # 6948 in your Strong's.

Strongs! Alright

ING - Strong's is the easiest to send Christians to - since most have them. And obviously it is a compilation of words used in the Bible - and the meanings.

Sis, I said Qa-da-sha, the root word meant sacred. And I agree Qadesh means spiritual prostitute.

But I do not agree with your original statement that in creation they plaid roles of God. What do you mean in creation? Genesis or do you have another view?

ING - not sure what you mean by "another view?" There is no other view. Qadesh are Sacred Prostitutes, they played the role of God or Goddess in the Sacred Creation play. You can read about this by looking up the worship of Baal, and other religions around the Hebrew.

By "Creation" I mean how they believed everything came to be - by the Sexual coupling of the God and the Goddess - Creating.


This is probably also why we have - Let US make humankind in OUR image, MALE and FEMALE.

The Hebrew people kept turning back to their old Gods and Goddesses. They set them up in their Hebrew Temples. Including the Sacred Sex. They said they were better off with their old Gods. They were murdered OVER-and-OVER by the One-God followers.

People always went to back to their pagan beliefs. There is an Greek Goddess called Qhadesha, even the Jews worshiped her.

ING - The Hebrew people preferred their old God and Goddess, and kept setting them up in the Hebrew Temple - OVER-and-OVER - for hundreds of years, - and the ONE-GOD people murdered them OVER-and-OVER for hundreds of years - forcing their YHVH on the people by murder. You can read these stories in the Bible - Kings for instance.

King A set up the old Gods in the Temple, - and he and his family, Priests, and people, were murdered, - then King B was set up - and he too started worshiping the old Gods - and he and his people and Priests were murdered, then King C, and King D, and King E, and ON and ON.

1Sa 2:22 Now Eli was very old, and heard all that his sons did unto all Israel; and how they had sex with the women that waited at the entrance of the tabernacle of the congregation.

EDIT - Why did you refer me to your INCORRECT post about Arsenokoitai?


There is not a single know use of Arsenokoitai as meaning a regular homosexual. NONE!

It is found used with rape of both men and women, etc.

Where? Why would this word refer to rape of men and women when Arsen means Man?

Think about that! It is - MEN - doing illegal sexual acts against helpless men and women's will. Rape, Pedophilia, Sex acts on Slaves, etc.


Just Google - Arsenokoitai, all known uses - there are several sites that have collected this info.



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[Thruve]

Most legitimate studies show people are Gay/Bi at birth. There is a study that shows differences in the brains of homosexuals, when compared to heterosexuals. SO - a very long term study is underway. They are taking a snapshot of infant's brains - then following up with them after puberty - as to gay/bi/hetero status, - and performing studies on the brains when they die.

As I said up above - studies show increased gay births at times of great stress. This shows that what leads to "gay" - is before birth.

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Wrong. You should feel most embarrassed. Your statement regarding a steady % of the population remaining homosexual each year is also wrong.
Make sure the articles/studies your reading are stating numbers of the population either representing Gay ( those who would identify themselves as gay ), or of men who've simply engaged in sexual activity with other men. Some studies I found also include bisexual men as apart of a gay identifier, some do not, and often DON'T include married men who would identify themselves as gay. The older population of homosexuals is a tough one to account for, so studies are always OFF when accounting for them ALONE. For them to also assume the % of the population of gay males who are married is asinine. Notice many studies therefore don't include the amount of 'gay' men who are married, and as previously stated, older. Studies assume theres no difference between men who would willingly engage in sexual activity with other men, and men who would never act. Curiosity killed the cat good ma'm, but satisfaction brought it back.


Now, I will agree based off multiple studies that a SUPER SMALL percentage of the population is gay. Were not talking 5-6-7-8-9-10% here, were talking roughly 2.. if even depending on the study. Europe is only a few % higher >.>
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[Thruve]

Yes, in fact the percentage of homosexuals born each years has remained fairly steady for as long as such has been studied.


Since there is no die off, this tells us there has to be a good biological reason for there being gay people.


So if you are Christian - I guess you could say God creates a certain percentage of Gay people every year - for a purpose - so get over it.



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Wrong, so please troll elsewhere, thank you ^^

 

[Ingledsva]

Wrong. You should be embarrassed. Go troll somewhere else please. Thankyou ^^

LOL! Dude! When you are wrong - YOU ARE WRONG! LOL!


“Animal models have indicated that androgenic steroids acting before birth might influence the sexual orientation of adult humans. Here we examine the androgen-sensitive pattern of finger lengths1, and find evidence that homosexual women are exposed to more prenatal androgen than heterosexual women are; also, men with more than one older brother, who are more likely than first-born males to be homosexual in adulthood, are exposed to more prenatal androgen than eldest sons. Prenatal androgens may therefore influence adult human sexual orientation in both sexes, and a mother's body appears to 'remember' previously carried sons, altering the fetal development of subsequent sons and increasing the likelihood of homosexuality in adulthood.”

http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/readings/homofinger/homo_finger.html

PET and MRI show differences in cerebral asymmetry and functional connectivity between homo- and heterosexual subjects

“The present study shows sex-atypical cerebral asymmetry and functional connections in homosexual subjects.”

PET and MRI show differences in cerebral asymmetry and functional connectivity between homo- and heterosexual subjects

Brain response to putative pheromones in homosexual men.

“These findings show that our brain reacts differently to the two putative pheromones compared with common odors, and suggest a link between sexual orientation and hypothalamic neuronal processes.”

Brain response to putative pheromon... [Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI

Biological and psychosocial determinants of male and female human sexual orientation.

Biological and psychosocial determinants of mal... [J Biosoc Sci. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI

Male sexuality may be decided in the womb

Male sexuality may be decided in the womb - life - 26 June 2006 - New Scientist

Studies of the causes of homosexual orientation

Essay 1: What causes sexual orientation?


"So, what's the common factor? If the study's design rules out learned influences, and if the results in women rule out genetics, that leaves what the authors call "hormonal influences" or noncognitive differences in the infant environment. According to the Guardian, the same research team has "begun another study to investigate brain symmetry in newborn babies, to see if it can be used to predict their future sexual orientation." If it can, that will scratch postnatal factors off the list, and the search will narrow to hormones in the womb. Already, the authors point to evidence that homosexuality may be caused by "under-exposure to prenatal androgens" in males and "over-exposure" in females."

To find out, they have begun another study to investigate brain symmetry in newborn babies, to see if it can be used to predict their future sexual orientation.

Savic and Lindström Stockholm Brain Institute

PET and MRI show differences in cerebral asymmetry and functional connectivity between homo- and heterosexual subjects. full?sid=2a1340f1-a699-4a8d-b31b-ce7efda d0db1


Bellarmine University

Maternal and placental hormones may also influence prenatal human sexual differentiation of the GnRH neuronal and other neuronal systems; for example, maternal diethylstilbestrol seems to affect the fetus, as witnessed by later behavior (Meyer¬Bahlburg, et al. 1985) and sexual orientation (Meyer¬Bahlburg, et al. 1995). [para 23]

"Vomeronasal afferents project to the mitral cells of the accessory olfactory bulb (AOB), which in turn make dendro-dendritic contacts with granule cells within the AOB and project to the anterior as well as the posterior portions of the medial amygdaloid nucleus. The anterior medial amygdala is reciprocally innervated with the posterior medial amygdala, where many neurons also contain estradiol and androgen receptors. Neurons of the anterior medial amygdala project via the ventral amygdalofugal pathway to the intermediate portion of the posterior bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BNST) and to the lateral subdivision of the medial preoptic area (POA). Neurons of the posterior medial amygdala project via the stria terminalis to the medial subdivisions of the posterior BNST and medial POA, respectively." (p. 1063). <b>Any or all of these sites may be affected by genetic and hormonal factors that influence both the development of the GnRH neuronal system and of sexually dimorphic olfactory systems. Furthermore, Segovia and Guillamon (1993) have linked many of these sites to sexually dimorphic reproductive behaviors.</b> [para 24]


I have a lot more if you would like me to post it.



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[Thruve]

LOL! Dude! When you are wrong - YOU ARE WRONG! LOL!


&#8220;Animal models have indicated that androgenic steroids acting before birth might influence the sexual orientation of adult humans. Here we examine the androgen-sensitive pattern of finger lengths1, and find evidence that homosexual women are exposed to more prenatal androgen than heterosexual women are; also, men with more than one older brother, who are more likely than first-born males to be homosexual in adulthood, are exposed to more prenatal androgen than eldest sons. Prenatal androgens may therefore influence adult human sexual orientation in both sexes, and a mother's body appears to 'remember' previously carried sons, altering the fetal development of subsequent sons and increasing the likelihood of homosexuality in adulthood.&#8221;

http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/readings/homofinger/homo_finger.html

PET and MRI show differences in cerebral asymmetry and functional connectivity between homo- and heterosexual subjects

&#8220;The present study shows sex-atypical cerebral asymmetry and functional connections in homosexual subjects.&#8221;

PET and MRI show differences in cerebral asymmetry and functional connectivity between homo- and heterosexual subjects

Brain response to putative pheromones in homosexual men.

&#8220;These findings show that our brain reacts differently to the two putative pheromones compared with common odors, and suggest a link between sexual orientation and hypothalamic neuronal processes.&#8221;

Brain response to putative pheromon... [Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI

Biological and psychosocial determinants of male and female human sexual orientation.

Biological and psychosocial determinants of mal... [J Biosoc Sci. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI

Male sexuality may be decided in the womb

Male sexuality may be decided in the womb - life - 26 June 2006 - New Scientist

Studies of the causes of homosexual orientation

Essay 1: What causes sexual orientation?


"So, what's the common factor? If the study's design rules out learned influences, and if the results in women rule out genetics, that leaves what the authors call "hormonal influences" or noncognitive differences in the infant environment. According to the Guardian, the same research team has "begun another study to investigate brain symmetry in newborn babies, to see if it can be used to predict their future sexual orientation." If it can, that will scratch postnatal factors off the list, and the search will narrow to hormones in the womb. Already, the authors point to evidence that homosexuality may be caused by "under-exposure to prenatal androgens" in males and "over-exposure" in females."

To find out, they have begun another study to investigate brain symmetry in newborn babies, to see if it can be used to predict their future sexual orientation.

Savic and Lindström Stockholm Brain Institute

PET and MRI show differences in cerebral asymmetry and functional connectivity between homo- and heterosexual subjects. full?sid=2a1340f1-a699-4a8d-b31b-ce7efda d0db1


Bellarmine University

Maternal and placental hormones may also influence prenatal human sexual differentiation of the GnRH neuronal and other neuronal systems; for example, maternal diethylstilbestrol seems to affect the fetus, as witnessed by later behavior (Meyer¬Bahlburg, et al. 1985) and sexual orientation (Meyer¬Bahlburg, et al. 1995). [para 23]

"Vomeronasal afferents project to the mitral cells of the accessory olfactory bulb (AOB), which in turn make dendro-dendritic contacts with granule cells within the AOB and project to the anterior as well as the posterior portions of the medial amygdaloid nucleus. The anterior medial amygdala is reciprocally innervated with the posterior medial amygdala, where many neurons also contain estradiol and androgen receptors. Neurons of the anterior medial amygdala project via the ventral amygdalofugal pathway to the intermediate portion of the posterior bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BNST) and to the lateral subdivision of the medial preoptic area (POA). Neurons of the posterior medial amygdala project via the stria terminalis to the medial subdivisions of the posterior BNST and medial POA, respectively." (p. 1063). <b>Any or all of these sites may be affected by genetic and hormonal factors that influence both the development of the GnRH neuronal system and of sexually dimorphic olfactory systems. Furthermore, Segovia and Guillamon (1993) have linked many of these sites to sexually dimorphic reproductive behaviors.</b> [para 24]


I have a lot more if you would like me to post it.



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keep posting, but can you please post more recent studies? Im not interested in those, I've already read similar ones before..
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"The results cannot be primarily ascribed to learned effects, and they suggest a linkage to neurobiological entities"..

Give me some studies on how its NOT a learned behavior, specifically. Or rather some follow up studies on how the subjects turned out in their later lives.

 

[Ingledsva]

keep posting, but can you please post more recent studies? Im not interested in those, I've already read similar ones before..
Note-
"The results cannot be primarily ascribed to learned effects, and they suggest a linkage to neurobiological entities"..

Give me some studies on how its NOT a learned behavior, specifically. Or rather some follow up studies on how the subjects turned out in their later lives.

LOL! I already have, and you know it. :yes:


These studies are showing links to something BEFORE BIRTH causing homosexuality.




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[firedragon]

ING - Strong's is the easiest to send Christians to - since most have them. And obviously it is a compilation of words used in the Bible - and the meanings.






ING - not sure what you mean by "another view?" There is no other view. Qadesh are Sacred Prostitutes, they played the role of God or Goddess in the Sacred Creation play. You can read about this by looking up the worship of Baal, and other religions around the Hebrew.

By "Creation" I mean how they believed everything came to be - by the Sexual coupling of the God and the Goddess - Creating.


This is probably also why we have - Let US make humankind in OUR image, MALE and FEMALE.






ING - The Hebrew people preferred their old God and Goddess, and kept setting them up in the Hebrew Temple - OVER-and-OVER - for hundreds of years, - and the ONE-GOD people murdered them OVER-and-OVER for hundreds of years - forcing their YHVH on the people by murder. You can read these stories in the Bible - Kings for instance.

King A set up the old Gods in the Temple, - and he and his family, Priests, and people, were murdered, - then King B was set up - and he too started worshiping the old Gods - and he and his people and Priests were murdered, then King C, and King D, and King E, and ON and ON.







Think about that! It is - MEN - doing illegal sexual acts against helpless men and women's will. Rape, Pedophilia, Sex acts on Slaves, etc.


Just Google - Arsenokoitai, all known uses - there are several sites that have collected this info.



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Aresenokoitai means coveting with men. Arsen means men and Koitee means bed. There is no way this word could be translated forced sex with men and women. Your google answers that you get has been definitely bias. No true scholar will render the word that way.

When you tell me to refer Strongs why dont you do the same? Why google only this word unless you are definitely looking for alternative rendition?

Also the old testament is explicit in a different way where it says lies with males the way you lie with a woman unless everytime a man lies with a woman its a rape.

I am not even going to spiritual prostitutes in the creation story and Gods creation story.

 

[Ingledsva]

Aresenokoitai means coveting with men. Arsen means men and Koitee means bed. There is no way this word could be translated forced sex with men and women. Your google answers that you get has been definitely bias. No true scholar will render the word that way.


ING - Aresenokoitai does not in any way mean "coveting with men!"

They had the word "paiderasste," which is male to male sex, but did not use it.

"Arsenokoitai" is made up of: "arsen" means "man"; and "koitai" means "beds."

The word for "Bed" "lie down" is a euphemism for sex. The word as I stated - means - MALE sex crimes. The word is found used by men AGAINST both men and women.


When you tell me to refer Strongs why dont you do the same? Why google only this word unless you are definitely looking for alternative rendition?


ING - Because people don't do the research. Strong's (G 730) The first part is correct, - the second is incorrect as they use a modern definition for the first.

The first part says - sodomite - this is partly correct, as at that time a Sodomite was a Qadesh, a Sacred Prostitute which was a crime punishable by death. You can read this in multiple sources.



Also the old testament is explicit in a different way where it says lies with males the way you lie with a woman unless everytime a man lies with a woman its a rape.

I am not even going to spiritual prostitutes in the creation story and Gods creation story.

Actually pretty much every one of the so-called against homosexuals verses, - can be shown to actually be about the Qadesh and Sacred Sex.



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[Thruve]

LOL! I already have, and you know it. :yes:


These studies are showing links to something BEFORE BIRTH causing homosexuality.




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"If you are male, having more older brothers makes it more likely you will be gay - and a new study suggests the basis of this is biological rather than environmental."- Thats the study of the last article.


"These findings show that our brain reacts differently to the two putative pheromones compared with common odors, and suggest a link between sexual orientation and hypothalamic neuronal processes."- thats the study of the 2nd to last.

"The results cannot be primarily ascribed to learned effects, and they suggest a linkage to neurobiological entities."- First article.

^All of which are 1 paragraph analysis' and two of the articles were already disproved WITHIN it's self in reference to other findings from separate conductors of research on the same subject.

These are not vaild. Hop on board here: Science vs. the "Gay Gene"

instead of googling bs and posting it >.>

Im still waiting on the articles/studies you promised about the gay percentage of the population and how they obtained the numbers >.> Or was this ^ to sidetrack me 0_O?

 

[Ingledsva]

"If you are male, having more older brothers makes it more likely you will be gay - and a new study suggests the basis of this is biological rather than environmental."- Thats the study of the last article.


"These findings show that our brain reacts differently to the two putative pheromones compared with common odors, and suggest a link between sexual orientation and hypothalamic neuronal processes."- thats the study of the 2nd to last.

"The results cannot be primarily ascribed to learned effects, and they suggest a linkage to neurobiological entities."- First article.

^All of which are 1 paragraph analysis' and two of the articles were already disproved WITHIN it's self in reference to other findings from separate conductors of research on the same subject.

These are not vaild. Hop on board here: Science vs. the "Gay Gene"

instead of googling bs and posting it >.>

Im still waiting on the articles/studies you promised about the gay percentage of the population and how they obtained the numbers >.> Or was this ^ to sidetrack me 0_O?

Baloney - and sending me to a biased Christian site obviously changes nothing.

These folks can't even come up with a legit scientific conclusion!

"Conclusion

Consider the obvious problem of survival for individuals who allegedly possess a gay gene: individuals who have partners of the same sex are biologically unable to reproduce (without resorting to artificial means). Therefore, if an alleged &#8220;gay gene&#8221; did exist, the homosexual population eventually would disappear altogether. We now know that it is not scientifically accurate to refer to a &#8220;gay gene&#8221; as the causative agent in homosexuality. The available evidence clearly establishes that no such gene has been identified. Additionally, evidence exists which documents that homosexuals can change their sexual orientation. Future decisions regarding policies about, and/or treatment of, homosexuals should reflect this knowledge."

This is not accurate on even the most base level -


If something is changing, or added, before birth to create homosexuals - and remaining steady over time - then whatever it is, has to have a positive affect on population - to be continually passed on - over time.


And there is a study on this as well.



This study says there is a variation on some X chromosomes that result in homosexuality.

A female is XX, and a male is XY.

It has been found that females with direct male homosexual relatives, are more attracted to men, and sex, and produce more children then average females.

It is thought that the reason this continues is the advantage to the female - more offspring - passing of the genes.

When the advantageous X is passed to a female baby she will have more children.

When that X is passed to a male baby to form his X Y, he also is attracted to men = homosexuality = with a reason in nature!


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[firedragon]

Actually pretty much every one of the so-called against homosexuals verses, - can be shown to actually be about the Qadesh and Sacred Sex.



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This is you opinion and you have the right to it. But it is not scriptural.

Alright sis.

Peace.

 

[Ingledsva]

This is you opinion and you have the right to it. But it is not scriptural.

Alright sis.

Peace.

Ahhh, but it is.


There is often a difference between what a verse actually says, - and what "later tradition" says it says, - and/or mistranslate it.


It makes no sense for God to condemn something he has created, over and over and over.



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[firedragon]

Ahhh, but it is.


There is often a difference between what a verse actually says, - and what "later tradition" says it says, - and/or mistranslate it.


It makes no sense for God to condemn something he has created, over and over and over.



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On what basis is it referring to rapists?

Extra scriptural reasoning doesnt count sis.

 

[McNap]

Well... I want more sexual things than my boyfriend, a lot more often

Sure.
I believe you, Samosasauce.
There are always exceptions.

I guess they didn't mean to generalize, but in most cases this principle is a fact.
Both males and females have testosterone as well as progesterone in their body.
Females have more progesterone, but less testosterone since progesterone is a female sex hormone.
Males have more testosterone, but less progesterone since testosterone is a male sex hormone known as the hormone that makes people aggressive. This aggression is manifested in the seks life either.

 

[sojourner]

The "gay" population is definently increasing each year, and it's in part to our culture, it's definition of "gay", and from the exposure of homosexuality period.

Is it? Or is it just becoming safer in our culture for those who identify as LGBTQ to be more public about their orientations?

 

[Thruve]

Is it? Or is it just becoming safer in our culture for those who identify as LGBTQ to be more public about their orientations?

MMmmm yes and No good sir.

Yes... It is, indeed, safer to come out with less consequences than say, 10 years ago and back, and Yes, a handful of G and L have come out of marriages to per sue their sexual curiosities and orientations. This doesn't however compensate for individuals, mainly males, who lived nearly their entire life in a marriage to which coming out now.. some argue.. would do themselves no good.

No.. because many men you find on gay hookup sites and OS applications are more curious rather than to simply take the identifier as being gay. They include the typical "Bisexual" identifier, but differentiate based on their motive to sexually engage with other men. Some curiosity, some like to occasionally play a sexually submissive role, some just like both for whatever reason. The EXPOSURE of it being OK in our society leads to actions that would otherwise not usually be made, ontop of that the resources available to engage are easy to find.

If your referencing to homosexuality being an act rather than a condition, then the answer is surely no.

*Note-I can love a women, I just don't have the perverted sexual knowledge nor sight of a woman. I view them purely and as equals, Truly, which is often the case for most gay males and why its typical for gay males to have mainly female friends. Now, take the typical American heterosexual Male and anaylize his perception of a woman. What about other heterosexual males who sexually view and perceive men the same way they perceive women. They'll likely be curious. So our culture does have alot of responsibility on our views. Theres too much to go over, but let that settle in o-o

 

[Ingledsva]

On what basis is it referring to rapists?

Extra scriptural reasoning doesnt count sis.

Ummm! I'll assume you are going back a few pages to Arsenokoitai? Yes?


Let me start by throwing that sentence back at you -


"On what basis is it referring to" homosexuals?


Also - the Bible DOES NOT SAY it means homosexuals.


There are ABSOLUTELY NO ancient sources using the word as such!!!


The ancient sources show it to be "male sexual assault," against BOTH men and women.


"...Some even do it with their own mothers, and others with foster sisters or goddaughters. In fact, many men even commit the sin of arsenokoitia with their wives.” - John the Faster, Penitential, about AD 575.


It is found in The myth of Zeus and Ganymede, where Ganymede is raped.


The word seems to mean forced sex - rape, pedophilia, pederasty, sexual slavery, sexual misuse of servants and those of lower status, also the Sacred Prostitutes as they were given to, or sold to, the Temple as children, as well as the IDOLATRY aspect.

As I said Google it.


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[firedragon]

Ummm! I'll assume you are going back a few pages to Arsenokoitai? Yes?


Let me start by throwing that sentence back at you -


"On what basis is it referring to" homosexuals?


Also - the Bible DOES NOT SAY it means homosexuals.


There are ABSOLUTELY NO ancient sources using the word as such!!!


The ancient sources show it to be "male sexual assault," against BOTH men and women.


"...Some even do it with their own mothers, and others with foster sisters or goddaughters. In fact, many men even commit the sin of arsenokoitia with their wives.” - John the Faster, Penitential, about AD 575.


It is found in The myth of Zeus and Ganymede, where Ganymede is raped.


The word seems to mean forced sex - rape, pedophilia, pederasty, sexual slavery, sexual misuse of servants and those of lower status, also the Sacred Prostitutes as they were given to, or sold to, the Temple as children, as well as the IDOLATRY aspect.

As I said Google it.


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I simply cant remember how many times this word has been explained. And I can see that you reading off some explanation form somewhere.

Aresenokoitai means Males + Bed, covet or lie with which means liers with men.

Does not mean rape or pedophilia.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I simply cant remember how many times this word has been explained. And I can see that you reading off some explanation form somewhere.

Aresenokoitai means Males + Bed, covet or lie with which means liers with men.

Does not mean rape or pedophilia.

I'm happy that you feel such a sense of certainty on something where there's so much legitimate doubt:

Although the word in English Bibles is interpreted as referring to homosexuals, we can be fairly certain that this is not the meaning that Paul wanted to convey. If he had, he would have used the word "paiderasste." That was the standard Greek term at the time for sexual activity between males. We can conclude that he probably meant something different than people who engaged in male-male adult sexual behavior.

HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT: CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERAL VIEWS