Please Explain: "Gay Christian"

[Boethius]

Amen to that!

 

[ScuzManiac]

Oh, yea I said that too once. Then I learned how a lie can lead someone to commit murder, or how committing adultery can psychologically screw up your kid and ultimately cause them to commit murder, not will, but can. See my point? I'm not even going to get into intent. So unless your, in theory, God, and you can see the chain reactions sins produce, we cannot assume that sins are not equal.

You lying to your son that god hates gays eventually leads your son, like a seed, an evil seed, to develop depression, which down the road he commits murder as a result. Is god gonna judge his act of murder more than your lie? There's always more to meet the eye good sir. This doesn't mean we're not held accountable for our sinful acts, especially those that break human laws. So don't get the impression that I'm saying sinning, even when it's unknowingly a result of some other negative effect, is excusable, or that ur not held accountable.

And doing things the right way and being honest CAN also lead to murder.

That's a lot of "what ifs."

 

[Thruve]

And doing things the right way and being honest CAN also lead to murder.

That's a lot of "what ifs."

What if.. I agreed with your statement too.
lol. I'm just giving you what I know and believe good sir, nothing more.

 

[Sonofason]

Why do you need to know whether one is Christian or not? Or homosexual or not?

There are some problems with your post. First of all, homosexuality isn't something that one "does" -- it's something one "is." Biblically, when humanity was created, God proclaimed humanity "very good" -- including the possibility of some being homosexual.

Second, "being Christian" has nothing to do with "denying the truth of scripture." Jesus didn't hold that up as a litmus test for his followers. In the early days of Xy, most people couldn't read, and most were unaware of what the scriptures said. I just don't think that's a proper way to judge "who is" and "who is not."

Third, it's simply not a lie to say that homosexuality is OK. The bible doesn't speak about homosexuality. What the bible does do is talk about homosexual acts. But even then, we know that commandments, purity codes, and punishments are neither arbitrary nor immutable -- even when written in the bible. Even Jesus weighed the veracity of scripture many times, and found some of it lacking for the purposes of the time. For our time, in which we know more about the human psyche, and know homosexuality to be a normal and healthy expression of sexuality, it's not a lie to say "homosexuality isn't a sin." We, like Jesus, say, "the scriptures say..., but we say..."

The Christian life is far more concerned about the poor, the outcast, the victim, the prisoner, than it is about "following rules" (especially arbitrary rules that serve to exclude, to judge, and to harm). When people deny that homosexuality is sinful, they refuse to pass judgment on others based upon sexual preferences, they affirm that all people are acceptable by virtue of who they are, and they open the door for the outcast to also be included at God's table. When we deny the sinfulness of homosexuality, we affirm that those who identify as such do deserve God's favor, and are in a position to receive God's grace.

We only deceive ourselves when when we imagine people to be in sin simply because of who they are, and that God does not visit them with God's grace.

That is where you miss the point. No one is deserved of God's grace. You are a sinner. I am a sinner. And by that fact alone we both do not deserve God's favor. So why do you try so hard to earn God's favor? There is nothing on earth you can do to earn it.

 

[Sonofason]

Basically, the ancients had no concept of sexual orientation as we do. Their view of sexual behavior was tied up with gender roles and general social expectation. So the verses that seem to be talking about homosexuality need to be examined and placed into their cultural context. They don't mean what people have been told they mean.

says the false teacher

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

says the false teacher

Oh, stop projecting.

 

[Sonofason]

Oh, stop projecting.

I believe it is you who is projecting your own personal wishes on the doctrines of the Bible. And I honestly can't blame you. It's hard to bare the burden of un-repented sin.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I believe it is you who is projecting your own personal wishes on the doctrines of the Bible. And I honestly can't blame you. It's hard to bare the burden of un-repented sin.

You don't even know how to interpret the Bible or its cultural context, so you're in no position to act like you know anything about it. Plus, you seem to be a Calvinist who believes in the concept of "human depravity", which is a nonsense.

 

[Sonofason]

You don't even know how to interpret the Bible or its cultural context, so you're in no position to act like you know anything about it. Plus, you seem to be a Calvinist who believes in the concept of "human depravity", which is a nonsense.

Well, I never much followed Calvinism. I know what it is for sure, but I just read the Bible, and amazingly, it speaks for itself.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, I never much followed Calvinism. I know what it is for sure, but I just read the Bible, and amazingly, it speaks for itself.

No, it doesn't. It has to be interpreted. And you are a Calvinist, at least in many of your views. If you've never been officially Calvinist, it's probably because of the influence of the culture you were raised in, since America has a Protestant culture in most areas. As a Catholic, I know how strong and often unnoticed this influence is because I often have to check myself and see if I'm not just parroting what the Protestant culture says or if it is what the Church actually teaches.

 

[Sonofason]

No, it doesn't. It has to be interpreted. And you are a Calvinist, at least in many of your views. If you've never been officially Calvinist, it's probably because of the influence of the culture you were raised in, since America has a Protestant culture in most areas. As a Catholic, I know how strong and often unnoticed this influence is because I often have to check myself and see if I'm not just parroting what the Protestant culture says or if it is what the Church actually teaches.

Honestly, when I read the Bible I rarely do it alone.

("But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.")
(1 Corinthians 2:10-16)

"But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth." (1 John 2:20-21)

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." (1 John 2:27)

 

[Ingledsva]

Actually if a compound word is used, and the root words of that word is known, and given that the word's precise meaning is not absolutely understood, it makes most sense to take a literal approach, ie, men in bed together.

Absolute bull!


We HAVE uses of it - and NONE are as homosexual!



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[Ingledsva]

No one is born gay. There are no gay babies. Sexual preference is learned behavior. There is no biological malfunction. Homosexuality is a psychological dysfunction.

BULL!


No legitimate study shows such!



They show just the opposite!



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[Sonofason]

BULL!


No legitimate study shows such!



They show just the opposite!



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If there were actual studies proving the existence of gay babies, I'm sure you'll bring them forth.

 

[Sonofason]

Absolute bull!


We HAVE uses of it - and NONE are as homosexual!



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I'm sure you are of the opinion that none of the known uses of the word in question refers to homosexuality.

And I believe you are absolutely entitled to believe anything you want.

 

[Ingledsva]

I believe it is you who is projecting your own personal wishes on the doctrines of the Bible. And I honestly can't blame you. It's hard to bare the burden of un-repented sin.

Being Homosexual is not a sin, - nor does the Bible say it is.



Being a Sacred Prostitute is.



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[Ingledsva]

Well, I never much followed Calvinism. I know what it is for sure, but I just read the Bible, and amazingly, it speaks for itself.

No it doesn't!


It has been misinterpreted, and mistranslated, and twisted, for hundreds of years!




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[Ingledsva]

If there were actual studies proving the existence of gay babies, I'm sure you'll bring them forth.

I've already listed many studies, which are ongoing.



You haven't got a single legitimate study - that says it isn't before birth, (only the crap of religions idiots.) -



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[Sonofason]

Being Homosexual is not a sin, - nor does the Bible say it is.



Being a Sacred Prostitute is.



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I am perfectly fine, and will sleep well tonight, knowing what you believe to be true. But your going to have to provide at least some evidence for me to even consider your claim.

I have in front of me various Biblical translations which say otherwise, at least with regard to your first claim.

I agree with your second claim.

 

[Sonofason]

I've already listed many studies, which are ongoing.



You haven't got a single legitimate study - that says it isn't before birth, (only the crap of religions idiots.) -



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I certainly am not inclined to provide anything for someone so insulting as you are being to me. Enjoy the darkness.