Poll: Is God All-Good?

[Altfish]

which is exactly why I tend not to correspond this science, Be-cause MAN created it(science)...and science created your reality.....as your ‘Natural’.

But I now to be in all the foolishness of it....man-made BE!

Like you say; your the one without GOD to its equation. I’m not the one living that lie..I speak in truths..even if it hurts you! Get use to it. After-all, there be only one Person whom KNOWs which is between all of them(Truth&Lie).

I am ‘The Liar’, who knows all truths(spirit).
You see...My reality(equation) does not have questions..like yours. You don’t seem to understand with lies are to be from many questions...my reality does not have questions...I have answers, and they are truths..to all your questions...and be exactly why you are what your question is!(your asking ‘what’s that?’)and I am to whom my answer BE!.....GOD was/is THE Answer. Not a question.

But, I believe that Man made God - to try to explain the unknowns in the world.

 

[Altfish]

Is that so...so how is it your dealing with a lot of problems in life? Can science know that? Then how I am to know of what your dealing with..is a lot of problems. I KNOW EXACTLY THE PROBLEM your dealing with....And you know exactly what I’m talking about!..unless off-course you wish to lie about it.

So, you agree. Religion has explained nothing.
Science has explained much and is working on what it hasn't explained.

 

[Workman]

But, I believe that Man made God - to try to explain the unknowns in the world.

Yeah!..so how is that turning out for you?
Seems to me there be more unknowns of there are to know? Do you not find it strange of how NOW ‘The Unknowns’ are ‘The Missing’ needs to fix of what TODAY already knows? So who is in fault to this problem?

The problem with knowing something WILL Have you known NOT for something else...just like you are to another...

You become of what you believe.
And YOUR now BE..CAME which you knew to believe.

 

[stvdv]

Supposedly, God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent (all-good).

Is God All-Good?
All "Good" is a gift from God
All "bad" is a gift from God
Being able to see both equalminded might be one of the greatest gift of God

 

[Workman]

So, you agree. Religion has explained nothing.
Science has explained much and is working on what it hasn't explained.

Do you know how Foolish mankind have become? Therefore not able to tell of their own science and what be not.

If you had been listening...I mentioned: Man made science, and science made them reality...so what be of your reality, was by approval of (ITS) science of it. You Figure out the rest for yourself...if you dare to.

 

[stvdv]

Supposedly, God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent (all-good).

Supposedly. That's right, I think.

My Master, who is said to be an Avatar, never mentioned nr. 4. The other 3 He mentioned 'like on a daily basis', so to speak. Always in a row, never forgetting 1 of the 3.

Must be a reason He mentioned 3, not 4

 

[Ponder This]

Supposedly, God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent (all-good).

Since we're focusing on the last one, there's supposedly the problem of evil for the last one.

My church is splitting due to the whole gay thing. My cat is probably dying (no eye in one eye, blurry eyed in another, can't eat much and stumbling around). And despite spending money advertising and despite being pretty okay in terms of skill with self-employed gig, I can't seem to break through (most calls I do get about computers are either solicitations to phish for my info, calls that are for problems completely out of my depth like making actual glass for the computer, or people who call when I'm visiting family for Christmas).

I'm not gonna discuss how much of this I could probably fix, but rather use it as an object lesson for the study of whether God is all-good or not.

To me, I'm pretty certain God exists (not only from the personal changes in my life, but also because of philosophical reasons), but right now I'm only not sure how good he is. In fact I'm pretty mad at God.

God is good - nobody said he was nice.

 

[Altfish]

Yeah!..so how is that turning out for you?
Seems to me there be more unknowns of there are to know? Do you not find it strange of how NOW ‘The Unknowns’ are ‘The Missing’ needs to fix of what TODAY already knows? So who is in fault to this problem?

The problem with knowing something WILL Have you known NOT for something else...just like you are to another...

You become of what you believe.
And YOUR now BE..CAME which you knew to believe.

Fine. I love unknowns.
If we knew everything all our scientists and researchers would be out of work.
When asked a question the answer, "I don't know" is fine and perfectly acceptable to me. It is even better if it is followed by, "But scientists are working on it"

It is nobody's fault that we are ignorant in some areas.

 

[Altfish]

Do you know how Foolish mankind have become? Therefore not able to tell of their own science and what be not.

If you had been listening...I mentioned: Man made science, and science made them reality...so what be of your reality, was by approval of (ITS) science of it. You Figure out the rest for yourself...if you dare to.

So who invented the computer that you are reading this on?
Who invented the medicines that cure people?
Who invented airplanes, cars, trains?

The modern world is built on scientific inventions.

God did nothing

 

[Workman]

Fine. I love unknowns.

Ummmm...is that a Lie? Obviously you don’t.

If we knew everything all our scientists and researchers would be out of work.

Ahhh..Nope! Thats the thing you don’t understand...’Everything’ will, and does NOT stop! and just imagine of how much Problems you’ll have with that..it WILL be deadly.

When asked a question the answer, "I don't know" is fine and perfectly acceptable to me.

Well!..now, that’s another lie, you must really love your questions without you being unable to rest upon it. You’ll end up Lost to the point where you cannot find its escape..for this causes depression,etc...it is dangerous.
Do you not see of your own problems?

It is even better if it is followed by, "But scientists are working on it"

Science CANNOT fix it..
Let me ask you a question: if man were created without eyes...do you think science would exist?

It is nobody's fault that we are ignorant in

Well!..I might have to disagree with you..somebody was at fault..otherwise we would not be dealing with such problems...you are your own responsibility, as well of then your own enemy..

Responsibilities were passed unto you...guess who from???? And through them was made of your enemies...when I say enemies..it is a referral for those you have disagreements, arguments, comparing and so on...have a guess where ignorance starts to play up. And your telling me no-one was to blame of YOU being that way?..well alright.

Well if it’s ok with you..then its ok for them..I would guess.

good-luck with it.

 

[Workman]

So who invented the computer that you are reading this on?
Who invented the medicines that cure people?
Who invented airplanes, cars, trains?

The modern world is built on scientific inventions.

God did nothing

And yet, they all killed humans??????

Yes? No?

Or did you not think of those whom died from it? Your looking in it a very selfish way..at the end of the day...it is not from how much you’ve gained but for how much you’ve LOST...

Foolishness.

 

[Altfish]

And yet, they all kill humans??????
Yes? No?

Or did you not think of those whom died from it? Your looking in it a very selfish way..at the end of the day...it is not from how much you’ve gained but for how much you’ve LOST...

Foolishness.

Viruses kill himans
Other animals kill humans
Falls kill humans
Bad teeth kill humans

But with science there are a lot less deaths.
If you reached 40 years in 1600 you had done well; in 2020 you expect to reach 75/80 - all because of science

 

[Altfish]

Ummmm...is that a Lie? Obviously you don’t.

Absolute rubbish; I love mysteries and puzzles.
I love reading about how they are being solved..

..Nope! Thats the thing you don’t understand...’Everything’ will, and does NOT stop! and just imagine of how much Problems you’ll have with that..it WILL be deadly.

It isn't science that kills humans; it is other humans wrongly applying the science

Well!..now, that’s another lie, you must really love your questions without you being unable to rest upon it. You’ll end up Lost to the point where you cannot find its escape..for this causes depression,etc...it is dangerous.
Do you not see of your own problems?

Rubbish, I don't lie awake worrying about what came before the Big Bang

Science CANNOT fix it..
Let me ask you a question: if man were created without eyes...do you think science would exist?

Yes, we (humans) would have adapted to the environment we are in. Science would be a lot slower advancing though.

Well!..I might have to disagree with you..somebody was at fault..otherwise we would not be dealing with such problems...you are your own responsibility, as well of your own enemy..

You have faith, you have religion but all you see are problems, negativity.
I see the natural world, I see science and I see happiness, positivity.

Responsibilities were passed unto you...guess who from???? And through them was made of your enemies...when I say enemies..it is a referral for those you have disagreements, arguments, comparing and so on...have a guess where ignorance starts to play up. And your telling me no-one was to blame of YOU being that way?..well alright.

Well if it’s ok with you..then its ok for them..I would guess.

good-luck with it.

You are an angry person.

 

[BSM1]

why God wants anything?, why God wants people to have mercy? what is God's cut in that? why God does not like what Cain did? e.t.c.

Why does man think God is just a Super Sized man?

 

[leov]

Why does man think God is just a Super Sized man?

Some do, it's needed as they still are bicameral.

 

[Workman]

Viruses kill himans

Do you know how viruses are caused...

I’m not gonna bother..

Other animals kill humans

Animals kill to survive..and if your stupid enough to stand in their way..well, that’s on you.

Falls kill humans

Seriously!..Try standing on your own two feet..rather be so clumsy with them.

Bad teeth kill humans

Really!..well you better make sure you brush your teeth other wise you’l die.
is it me or are you getting bored with this discussion?

But with science there are a lot less deaths.

You mean science are still fixing in what their own failures have caused..

but, Ok, as you said...you can think of it as..“help”.

But with science there are a lot less deaths.
If you reached 40 years in 1600 you had done well; in 2020 you expect to reach 75/80 - all because of science

Is that what they told you?..heck! that was easy!..

thank you friend for the lesson.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

You are right, in many ways it is easier not to believe in God because with belief comes a lot of responsibility, if we take our belief seriously.

This is not exactly what I had in mind when I said it was "easier." I meant it was very much easier not to get caught up in unhealthy ways of trying to deal with your problems... like trying to put the burden of them off on someone else's shoulders (even an imaginary someone) rather than simply shouldering the burden yourself. There is far less negative thinking to be had when you aren't looking to cast blame on someone else, but instead treat occurrences as they come, without wasting time in failing to act/react because you are too busy lamenting that some other party is to blame.

I do not see what additional "responsibility" there is on the part of a believer in maintaining their belief. Can you elaborate? I can't think of a single thing a believer is more responsible for... except perhaps for following a code of conduct that has been prescribed for them. Beyond this, I can't think of a single thing.

If people do not believe in God they can still find other people to blame for their problems. Many people blame other people for their problems rather than taking personal responsibility for them,

This is all very true and has been seen time and time again among people. All I am saying (as you also seem to imply) is that it is a very unhealthy mindset to be in. It causes a lot of perceived "hurt feelings," it opens one up to feeling entitled to a better situation, and it opens one up to resentment of this "other thing" that you imagine is keeping you from that better situation. It is just bad all the way around, and I don't know of a single person who would say they like people who are complainers and cavilers, who never place an ounce of responsibility for any hardship they encounter on their own shoulders. We know those extreme cases to be bad, and I don't know if there is ANY good to be had in blaming someone else for things that have no clear guilt-component.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

As for "it is simpler not to believe", this may be true to people whose faith is entirely based around religious stories. But there's a sort of threshold, past which it is actually harder not to believe than it is to believe, since you've seen personally how your faith has made your life different.

I see what you mean here, and I can understand that if someone places the responsibility of a large portion of their "success" or happiness in the faith they practice, then it would make sense that letting go of that would be extremely daunting, or even seemingly implausible. My main takeaway was that there is simply a lot more baggage that comes along with belief. Baggage that a nonbeliever does not have to deal with. The "nonbeliever" position may not seem attractive (or even plausible!) to you, but it doesn't mean that a nonbeliever is not more capable of experiencing mental/emotional freedom in many of these areas, because that baggage is simply not there.

At that point, it is actually simpler to say "I pissed off at you right now God" simply because you can find reasons to believe, which means either you have to go into denial about your own heart (not healthy) or you can't really do it. On the other hand, it is very easy to simply be angry.
Or much of what Trailblazer said. You can't really turn your beliefs on and off like a light switch. Not if your faith is any good, that is.

This makes sense also. In my own life, I simply examine things for their relative effects on my happiness and wellbeing. If the thing I am examining is determined to have a negative net effect, and is not otherwise a necessity of some form, then I will very likely work to eliminate it from my life. In the end, belief in God, and even commune with believers was like this for me. Granted, I never truly believed, but I contemplated "joining the ranks" of Christianity multiple times in my younger life. "Could I believe?" and what would be the ramifications? I saw the ways in which Christians behaved when having their moments with the "Holy Spirit" - and it was just awful. Imagining myself doing some of the things I witnessed was just... I can't even describe the level of awful. So, for me, choosing to believe simply wasn't an option, in much the same way you describe that you can't turn your faith on and off like a light, I simply couldn't turn it on. No way.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Why does man think God is just a Super Sized man?

Ego? I think it boils down to Ego: Many humans cannot stand the idea of a Universe without them in it.

So they gleefully glom onto anything... literally anything however bizarre, that would make that Not Happen.

And so: We have the ludicrous and absolutely evidence-free idea of "Soul".

It kinda went downhill from there, anything that feeds the Ego.

 

[Workman]

Absolute rubbish; I love mysteries

you’ll love it even more if you were to experience(DO) it rather just only reading about em.

It isn't science that kills humans; it is other humans wrongly applying the science

Oh goody..now your making sense.
So tell us then, what is right in science?

Rubbish, I don't lie awake worrying about what came before the Big Bang

off-course not! You have more important things(the ‘I don’t knows’) to worry about than that!

Yes, we (humans) would have adapted to the environment we are in. Science would be a lot slower advancing though.

Ok..

You have faith, you have religion but all you see are problems, negativity.
I see the natural world, I see science and I see happiness, positivity.

Your certainly right...
I see my brothers my sisters that are dying from powerful countries that uses science work to overcome poverty and property...
I see homeless people starving and dying due to lack of money to support their own families..There is so many I see that you don’t care about...and all you can say is your happy..you certainly got that one right.

You are an angry person.

Yes, I Am,..if your not angry, then how are you suppose to know who you are? instead of a Yes..man like you.

Again thank you for the lesson.