Poll: Is God All-Good?

[Altfish]

Do you know how viruses are caused...

I’m not gonna bother..



Animals kill to survive..and if your stupid enough to stand in their way..well, that’s on you.



Seriously!..Try standing on your own two feet..rather be so clumsy with them.


Really!..well you better make sure you brush your teeth other wise you’l die.
is it me or are you getting bored with this discussion?


You mean science are still fixing in what their own failures have caused..

but, Ok, as you said...you can think of it as..“help”.


Is that what they told you?..heck! that was easy!..

thank you friend for the lesson.

Obviously prayers and religion are more use than science.

 

[Workman]

Obviously prayers and religion are more use than science.

The only REASON why your even able to use science...Was because of Religion morals...where do you think your Laws originated from? Definitely not a scientific idea! And it is the ONLY reason why YOU and your LOVED ones are safe and alive..

say again..which be more USE?

 

[Altfish]

The only REASON why your even able to use science...Was because of Religion morals...where do you think your Laws originated from? Definitely not a scientific idea! And it is the ONLY reason why YOU and your LOVED ones are safe and alive..

say again..which be more USE?

Are those religious morals the same ones that make people fly planes into buildings; persecute gays; keep slaves, etc.
Go on, enlighten me where do laws originate from. Please don't say the 10 Commandments - they are awful.
What about all those children that were molested by priests, clergy, etc. - are those loved ones safe.

 

[firedragon]

Supposedly, God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent (all-good).

Since we're focusing on the last one, there's supposedly the problem of evil for the last one.

My church is splitting due to the whole gay thing. My cat is probably dying (no eye in one eye, blurry eyed in another, can't eat much and stumbling around). And despite spending money advertising and despite being pretty okay in terms of skill with self-employed gig, I can't seem to break through (most calls I do get about computers are either solicitations to phish for my info, calls that are for problems completely out of my depth like making actual glass for the computer, or people who call when I'm visiting family for Christmas).

I'm not gonna discuss how much of this I could probably fix, but rather use it as an object lesson for the study of whether God is all-good or not.

To me, I'm pretty certain God exists (not only from the personal changes in my life, but also because of philosophical reasons), but right now I'm only not sure how good he is. In fact I'm pretty mad at God.

What if God is far beyond what we can ever comprehend as good or/and bad?

 

[firedragon]

Obviously prayers and religion are more use than science.

Thats not very scientific.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

What if God is far beyond what we can ever comprehend as good or/and bad?

Yet... people such as you... continue to be pretty much certain... that you know what this things wants you to eat for breakfast, and what sort of person you should (or should not) marry.

Hmmmmmmmmm.....

 

[firedragon]

Yet... people such as you... continue to be pretty much certain... that you know what this things wants you to eat for breakfast, and what sort of person you should (or should not) marry.

Hmmmmmmmmm.....

Today i had egg, Avocado for breakfast. And no one told me to do so. Plus, i dont understand how you know who told me to marry the one or ones i did. It seems like somethings telling you these things.

 

[PearlSeeker]

If I take a gun, and shoot the first child I see, that happenstance would not make the world less good than if I did not kill anyone. For, this can only ve the best of all possible worlds.

So, what we sense as evil is in fact good, or neutral, and we should rejoice at everything that happens. Even thought it could not be otherwise.

Assuming God exists and He is all good, obviously.

ciao

- viole

Who makes this world as it is? Only God? Are we not co-creators? We can make this world better or worse.

 

[firedragon]

Yet... people such as you... continue to be pretty much certain... that you know what this things wants you to eat for breakfast, and what sort of person you should (or should not) marry.

Hmmmmmmmmm.....

By the way, what you did just now is the epitome of an Ad Hominem. Its not relevant.

 

[viole]

Who makes this world as it is? Only God? Are we not co-creators? We can make this world better or worse.

ok, lets take one concrete example. And let’s check if that deviates from the optimum or not.

First Question: what man caused the tsunami that killed 200,000?

Second question: was the world after that tsunami better, equally good, or worse than the day before?

feel free to replace “tsunami” with “children cancer”, “children born without a brain”, etc.

ciao

- viole

 

[Quintessence]

There's nothing in the poll that really represents how I view classical monotheism as someone who rejects that particular theological paradigm, but the closest was "God is evil. Therefore he exists." Just remove the last word from the first line... a simple "God is" suffices. The logical inconsistencies with classical monotheism are no small part of why I reject that theology. In polytheism, the gods are not omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, and they certainly aren't omnibenevolent. Precise views vary, but the gods are basically powerful forces that have their own agendas - agendas conflict with human interest as frequently as they align with them. The notion of good-evil dualism is often absent.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Today i had egg, Avocado for breakfast. And no one told me to do so. Plus, i dont understand how you know who told me to marry the one or ones i did. It seems like somethings telling you these things.

*wooosh*.... my point..... flying just out of reach, over your head...

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

By the way, what you did just now is the epitome of an Ad Hominem. Its not relevant.

By the way? No. It was not even a little bit. You seriously need to read up on Ad Hom.

If I said, "your argument was wrong because you are so stupid"--- THAT would be an Ad Hom.

If I instead said, "your argument is wrong. Also, you are stupid" THAT WOULD NOT be an ad hom.

Do you see the subtle difference, yet?

No?

Well....

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

By the way, what you did just now is the epitome of an Ad Hominem. Its not relevant.

Worse: I did not actually refer to you, personally... so it could not possibly even be a personal insult.

The fact you think it was? And worse-- your false understanding of Ad Hom, you took it personal?

Says more about you, than my comment ever could...

 

[PearlSeeker]

Who makes this world as it is? Only God? Are we not co-creators? We can make this world better or worse.

ok, lets take one concrete example. And let’s check if that deviates from the optimum or not.

First Question: what man caused the tsunami that killed 200,000?

Second question: was the world after that tsunami better, equally good, or worse than the day before?

feel free to replace “tsunami” with “children cancer”, “children born without a brain”, etc.

ciao

- viole

Your example is nothing about what are we as co-creators becoming and doing.

 

[viole]

Your example is nothing about what are we as co-creators becoming and doing.

of course not. I am addressing first the maximality of goodness of our world not depending on us. Will see afterwards whether we contribute to an already suboptimal situation or not.

so, do you have answers to my previous questions?

ciao

- viole

 

[QuestioningMind]

With a name like yours...what can I say..except the questions you’ll make of yourself. Get out of your head!..stop thinking! But DO some answers...

It all comes down to meanings...you don’t know em..hence the mis-information, mis-communications...The Mis-understanding.

Clearly what you can't do is answer the simple question that I asked. Why did you stop with God and not God's creator?

 

[Bird123]

With all due respect, I consider that very insensitive. Her cat is dying and what she needs is compassion, not a lecture about God and how great you think God is. If God was Unconditional Love God would not allow so much suffering in the world. You might think you know God, but God is unknowable, although we can know what kind of world God created, a storehouse of suffering. I do not consider that "All-Loving."

Go ahead though, have fun defending the God you have made in your own image.

Judgment calls without all the information seldom come out right. Have you ever walked up close to a painting? It looks awful, yet take a few steps back and the Masterpiece is revealed. The first thing God pointed out to me is that mankind carries such a narrow view. I cry that.

What is it that you are missing? All the physics of this world add up completely, so does the people factor. Discover what you are missing and the view will change.

God has much more capabilities and intellect than I. I am but a mere student. I am made in God's image in that we are both Spiritual Beings and Eternal. On the other hand, I do strive to be like God. It is a long road ahead.

Finally, let us not focus on the hurt. Let us focus on the Solutions. There was a lady whose dog died. She had this dog for 18 years. This was a very old dog. It was time for this dog, like all God's children, to move on. This lady was sad, depressed, and quit talking to everyone. I had a long talk with her. WE are all eternal so we expect things around us to be eternal, yet everything in this physical world is borrowed. Nothing is forever.

The cure: I told her to quit moping and go get her a puppy. There is nothing like youth that will make one feel happy and young. She got a puppy and the next day came back happy. She said that puppy had so much energy she did not have time to be sad.

One should not be clingy. Let the wonderful souls around us continue their journey. When that wonderful cat must leave, start anew. A wonderful needy little kitten is what the doctor ordered.

We all have the power to choose what we deem important. We can choose to value the hurt, problems and adversity, crying and spreading a shadow of hurt and gloom to others OR we can choose to work at Solutions. Which is the Higher Level? Which is the better Path on your journey?

That's what I see. It's very clear.

 

[firedragon]

Worse: I did not actually refer to you, personally... so it could not possibly even be a personal insult.

The fact you think it was? And worse-- your false understanding of Ad Hom, you took it personal?

Says more about you, than my comment ever could...

Ad hominem is not always an insult. You are taking this too personally.

e.g. Tu Quoque

Please do the research.

Good day.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Please do the research.

Good day.

I did. I have. How on EARTH do you think I became an atheist in the first place?

I mean... after a lifetime of brainwashing into the Xian Cult, of course... I was born an atheist, not having been born with faith in gods. That had to be forced into the defenseless mind of a child.

But. I got better. I researched the origins, and content of the bible. It de-converted me quite well. Took awhile, though.