President Chickenhawk's Viet Nam Draft Deferments.

[esmith]

These events occurred before I was born. Why do you ask? Where were you at that time? What does this have to do with what I wrote?



A wake-up from what? What are you getting at here?

Where was I, I was in the service.
A wake-up that indicated the the USSR and what it stood for was a direct threat to the world and the U.S.
Listen to JFK's inaugural address

 

[Revoltingest]

I wasn't accusing McCain of calling people cowards. I was just suggesting that if Trump had a military record the equivalent of McCain's I'd have no problem with him calling other people out.
But he definitely doesn't have.

I understood.
Just don't see insults like "Coward!" as useful.
They reflect poorly on the speaker.

 

[BSM1]

Trump is a politician. Not a very good or experienced politician, but still a politician.

A politician is usually some one who runs for office as a lifestyle or vocation. Trump has no such baggage in his past, so I think calling him a politician is really a stretch. He's more of an opportunist. But if you insist on denigrating the man, he was good enough and experienced enough to beat the best of the Democrats, (who, btw, was a professional politician).

 

[Revoltingest]

A politician is usually some one who runs for office as a lifestyle or vocation. Trump has no such baggage in his past, so I think calling him a politician is really a stretch. He's more of an opportunist.

He's becoming a politician.
We can see it in his learning on the job, having never held office before.
This was just as Obama had to learn to be a manager, having never
been in charge of anything before.

 

[BSM1]

He's becoming a politician.
We can see it in his learning on the job, having never held office before.
This was just as Obama had to learn to be a manager, having never
been in charge of anything before.

That's understandable. Shows he's not as dumb as some think.

 

[Stevicus]

One contributing factor to the guys feeling obligated to go to Nam was the idea that most of our fathers won WWII single handed. It was a very high bar for us. This, plus the fact that we didn't have access to information as you do now so we weren't as politically inclined as today's youth coupled with a strong macho image for males at the time, and you have the perfect storm for a Viet Nam scenario. I was determined not to go to Nam, but by the above factor I felt I had to serve somewhere. Once I got into the service (Navy) I knew I would not go to Nam (unless they sent any of my shipmates over, then I would have gone even if I had to pay my own way. You tend to get close to the people you serve with.)

By the time I got to that age, the draft had ended, although I still had to register. I tried to join the Navy but was turned down due to not having 100% movement in my arms. This was the early 1980s, when recruitment was on the upswing and much of the anti-military sentiment had diminished considerably.

I had a friend who was in the Navy during the Vietnam era. He was in the CBs and had seen some action over there.

Even for a good war, when the majority in a country selects
a small minority to bear the entire burden of fighting, I say....
**** that!

When it comes to the draft, I agree. When I was at that age, more people wanted to join up voluntarily, so there didn't seem to be any real need for a draft.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's understandable. Shows he's not as dumb as some think.

People will believe what they need.
They needed to believe he was Hitler.
Funny that...no apologies or cries of
"Oopsie!".

 

[BSM1]

People will believe what they need.
They needed to believe he was Hitler.
Funny that...no apologies or cries of
"Oopsie!".

Hahaha...Just for the record, I am not a big Trump supporter. He just seemed to be lesser of two evil choices. As long as the economy is percolating, I don't really what he says or how he appears.

 

[Revoltingest]

When it comes to the draft, I agree. When I was at that age, more people wanted to join up voluntarily, so there didn't seem to be any real need for a draft.

It's a myth that we ever need a draft.
WW2, Korea, Viet Nam.....all could've been entirely volunteer.
But it would mean much higher pay. Much of the wealth of the
country would have to have been paid to soldiers & their heirs.
People don't want to give up the lion's share of their stocks,
bonds, mansions, etc, etc. So they pay crap, & invoke involuntary
servitude while singing the national anthem & crying "Patriotism!".

 

[Revoltingest]

Hahaha...Just for the record, I am not a big Trump supporter. He just seemed to be lesser of two evil choices. As long as the economy is percolating, I don't really what he says or how he appears.

I understand.
War is what concerns me.
But alas neither of the Big Two parties opposes that....although
they pretend to when the other party has the top office.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

A politician is usually some one who runs for office as a lifestyle or vocation. Trump has no such baggage in his past, so I think calling him a politician is really a stretch.

He's a relatively new politician. And he certainly seems to have jumped in with both feet into the lifestyle.

He's more of an opportunist.

"Politician" and "opportunist" aren't mutually exclusive.

But if you insist on denigrating the man, he was good enough and experienced enough to beat the best of the Democrats, (who, btw, was a professional politician).

Calling a politician a politician isn't any more denigrating than calling a used car salesman a used car salesman. Yes, both professions have a bad reputation, but they're both still real professions.

 

[BSM1]

He's a relatively new politician. And he certainly seems to have jumped in with both feet into the lifestyle.


"Politician" and "opportunist" aren't mutually exclusive.


Calling a politician a politician isn't any more denigrating than calling a used car salesman a used car salesman. Yes, both professions have a bad reputation, but they're both still real professions.

If your disdain for the man personally wasn't so obvious then your observations would carry more weight, IMHO of course.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If your disdain for the man personally wasn't so obvious then your observations would carry more weight, IMHO of course.

So only positive opinions of Trump are valid?

 

[Altfish]

I understood.
Just don't see insults like "Coward!" as useful.
They reflect poorly on the speaker.

I was referring to Trump's description of the Policeman at the school.

 

[Revoltingest]

I was referring to Trump's description of the Policeman at the school.

Aye.
Even if Trump is right, he's wrong.

 

[BSM1]

So only positive opinions of Trump are valid?

Objectivity should rule the day.

 

[Revoltingest]

Objectivity should rule the day.

Aye, people who like him to much,
& people who loathe him too much
have difficulty seeing things neutrally.
And RF is overwhelmingly the latter.

 

[idav]

Aye, people who like him to much,
& people who loathe him too much
have difficulty seeing things neutrally.
And RF is overwhelmingly the latter.

Hey Trump has done some good thing like there is...... ummm well maybe there’s ......

IDK, maybe he has good intentions? I’m an optimist.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

I don't discount this, but this is just speculation on your part.

With enough circumstantial evidence, something seems less and less speculative. What happened with the fraudulent university Trump was peddling?

So what you're saying, I believe, is Trump is a bumbling idiot that has managed to build skyscrapers and resorts, amass a fortune, and beat the most intelligent woman in the world for the presidency.

I am saying that yes. That the latter is true says much to the decline of American intelligence.

 

[Revoltingest]

That the latter is true says much to the decline of American intelligence.

Explaining her getting more votes?