PROVE ME WRONG... All religions are fake.

[stvdv]

So what is the meaning of God?
Does it mean Love?
Does it mean our companion who will help us achieve a perfect spiritual and happy life?
Does it mean the creator of life?

It can mean different things for many people, especially if they are influenced by their religion however for me it means, the creator of life.

The Christian view is that God means "The Creator of Life". You are brought up as a Christian, so like you said 99.9% will stick to what their parents told them.

I was brought up a little bit in the Christian way, so for me "Creator Of Life" is fine also
Later on my guru added some extra information to this that also makes sense to me

I don't know exactly what God is. I like the Hindu way "God is bigger than the biggest and smaller than the smallest + all in between"
But even more interesting is that we, as humans, can tune in to this amazing "God" thing, and we can create, we can receive answers.
The sky is the limit I believe. Only I am a bit to lazy to go for it 100%. So my sky is a bit limited yet

 

[Walterbl]

Yes, if all of them are true, then there are hundreds of different gods which are real.

Or hundreds of people percieving the same God in different ways.

 

[Jumi]

Yes my god is a creator. For me god is the creator of life, the universe and time, so if you want to call him a supermagician do so. I am afraid some religious people see him as an imaginary friend that you must love in order to get a happy and perfect afterlife and not burn in the fiery depths of hell. I do not know what is your definition of God so, what is it?

It is that which we can, with a clear mind, experience that has been called God by mystics through-out the ages without care for religion or worldview. Whether it's a being, or a space, void or any other thing isn't important to me. You will know it if you experience it, if not, it doesn't matter if you live your life well.

And yes that was an example to christianity, that is why I said "for example Jesus Christ", I cannot give examples about all the religions of the world, it would take me an eternity if it is even possible.

The point was that your "story" doesn't compare that well to "all religions". If you have ever read a general introduction textbook to religions of the world you will see how specific that is. It's like your neighbor Bob is representative of people of all incomes and education levels.

My debate is are all religions man-made? Or is one of them true?

Do you argue that anything man-made is obviously false? Some religions do argue that they are created by god(s), but some don't. Do you think those that argue the first are more likely true or more true?

Religions are a mix of ethics, philosophy, history, cultural experience and even part mysticism. Is one country's way of life true or all they all man made?

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Because?

Because God can do anything. He is so powerful that he made the universe and the world perfectly for our survival, I do not think that he would struggle to write a basic book about himself and how we should live.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Hello. I would submit that at best your statistics show strong cultural (not necessarily familial) influences in majority Muslim countries.

Peace

So basically your faith depends in which culture you are born, which means you agree with that right?

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Or hundreds of people percieving the same God in different ways.

Depends how you define God.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

It is that which we can, with a clear mind, experience that has been called God by mystics through-out the ages without care for religion or worldview. Whether it's a being, or a space, void or any other thing isn't important to me. You will know it if you experience it, if not, it doesn't matter if you live your life well.


The point was that your "story" doesn't compare that well to "all religions". If you have ever read a general introduction textbook to religions of the world you will see how specific that is. It's like your neighbor Bob is representative of people of all incomes and education levels.


Do you argue that anything man-made is obviously false? Some religions do argue that they are created by god(s), but some don't. Do you think those that argue the first are more likely true or more true?

Religions are a mix of ethics, philosophy, history, cultural experience and even part mysticism. Is one country's way of life true or all they all man made?

Experience what?

Give me a religion and I will argue against it( at least a top practiced religion, not in the mood for hours of research)

Is not religion the practice of worshiping our creator? The thing that created us?

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

The Christian view is that God means "The Creator of Life". You are brought up as a Christian, so like you said 99.9% will stick to what their parents told them.

I was brought up a little bit in the Christian way, so for me "Creator Of Life" is fine also
Later on my guru added some extra information to this that also makes sense to me

I don't know exactly what God is. I like the Hindu way "God is bigger than the biggest and smaller than the smallest + all in between"
But even more interesting is that we, as humans, can tune in to this amazing "God" thing, and we can create, we can receive answers.
The sky is the limit I believe. Only I am a bit to lazy to go for it 100%. So my sky is a bit limited yet

It is impossible to think what God is, how he made us, our brains just are not good enough. If you try to, you will just blank.

 

[Jumi]

Experience what?

That which has been called God by mystics.

Give me a religion and I will argue against it( at least a top practiced religion, not in the mood for hours of research)

So you're going to take up a religion you've never heard about, spend a maximum of less than an hour trying to skim through something and even before you start, you consider yourself qualified to dismiss it. Even though you have demonstrated your view of religions being oversimplistic. Why would it even be interesting watch someone play a game of go, when they've never heard about it and aren't even interested in knowing what it is?

Is not religion the practice of worshiping our creator? The thing that created us?

Of course not. That is the opinion of some religions, which happen to be widespread today.

 

[Regiomontanus]

So basically your faith depends in which culture you are born, which means you agree with that right?

Certainly the lense through which ones tries to come to terms with the divine is strongly influenced by culture. This is how we have to view, say, the Bible too; the first Christians were first century Jews so everything was going to be seen from that perspective.

Peace

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

That which has been called God by mystics.


So you're going to take up a religion you've never heard about, spend a maximum of less than an hour trying to skim through something and even before you start, you consider yourself qualified to dismiss it. Even though you have demonstrated your view of religions being oversimplistic. Why would it even be interesting watch someone play a game of go, when they've never heard about it and aren't even interested in knowing what it is?


Of course not. That is the opinion of some religions, which happen to be widespread today.

My intention of this topic is to discuss with religions which worship the creator like Christianity and Islam. I thought that was the only definition of a religion anyway, learning new things everyday. But to your previous point, it should not take me long to find something silly in a book written by uneducated men thousands of years ago about magic and how the world was made.

 

[Holdasown]

Because God can do anything. He is so powerful that he made the universe and the world perfectly for our survival, I do not think that he would struggle to write a basic book about himself and how we should live.

Some books says that but we know it's not true. Other gods say something else. He can't do much on Earth and the world was not made in 6 days. The gods are not as moral as we claim they are. Most myths show them to be crazy, rapist, vengeful. I believe all the gods exist and I worship several but I know when it comes to certain things they are not accurate or the used symbolism to explain how things work, in their worlds.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Some books says that but we know it's not true. Other gods say something else. He can't do much on Earth and the world was not made in 6 days. The gods are not as moral as we claim they are. Most myths show them to be crazy, rapist, vengeful. I believe all the gods exist and I worship several but I know when it comes to certain things they are not accurate or the used symbolism to explain how things work, in their worlds.

Could be symbolism or could also be the previous thing you said "not accurate". These books were written thousands of years ago where men had very little knowledge about how the world worked and was made which might be the reason that most(if not all) the books have flaws. Not to mention back then it was ok for the society to rape women and kill people.

 

[Jim]

My debate is are all religions man-made? Or is one of them true?

I think that all religions are partly man-made, and some of them are partly true, at the same time. I think that the truth in some of them is the same truth: that the best possible life is in learning to love, trust and follow the light from some lamps that have appeared periodically in the form of a human person, as a part of G_d's creation. That's what I'm saying is the true religion, in answer to your challenge. The way I will try to convince you is not by debating about it. The way I will try to convince you is by telling you what you can do, to see for yourself if that is a true religion or not. Does your willingness to listen and learn go that far, or not?

 

[Holdasown]

Could be symbolism or could also be the previous thing you said "not accurate". These books were written thousands of years ago where men had very little knowledge about how the world worked and was made which might be the reason that most(if not all) the books have flaws. Not to mention back then it was ok for the society to rape women and kill people.

Not sure what that has to do with this topic?

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Not sure what that has to do with this topic?

I was replying to your post actually

 

[Holdasown]

I was replying to your post actually

What do rape and murder have to do with the topic?

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

What do rape and murder have to do with the topic?

were not you talking about the books and what is in them? And pretty sure you brought up the rape

 

[robocop (actually)]

I am very familiar with the various beliefs in Intelligent Design from both the religious Creationist and the alien conspiracy perspective. The argument for all Intelligent Design hypothesis is that there is no real science behind it and the hypothesis cannot be falsified. As long as the natural evolution can be falsified by science ID fails, because it cannot prove the negative. I am a geologist of more than 50 years and have a strong background in Genetics and evolution. There is one significant problem with ID hypothesis in that there is a strong 'arguing from ignorance' to some up with the claim that 'science cannot at present explain this, therefore . . .'

Again, again, and again . . . despite UFO sightings, which remain unexplained, there is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for aliens nor space craft from outside our solar system.

The evidence is in the Bible, documented in "Intelligent Design: Message from the Designers by Rael." Free and anonymous at www.raelish.com.

 

[Walterbl]

Give me a religion and I will argue against it

Jainism.

There is one significant problem with ID hypothesis in that there is a strong 'arguing from ignorance' to some up with the claim that 'science cannot at present explain this, therefore . . .'

Except that is not the argument. The argument is not "science cannot explain this, therefore it was designed". The argument is "this matches what we know about design, therefore it could have been designed"