Proving the existence of Allah (swt) to an atheist

[Gharib]

Esalam, now you're getting a bit annoying. :slap:

prove it ha ha.

no seriously prove it.

 

[Kerr]

i have a statement made from you that backs me up.

I have a brain owned by me that back me up.

 

[Kerr]

prove it ha ha.

no seriously prove it.

You just did .

 

[Gharib]

Wrong, that does not qualify to call it a disease. And considering how overpopulated the world is, I think we would need a few more homosexuals. Assuming they do not decide to have children, that is.​

homosexuals can't have children. what makes you think they can?

and whose to say when the world is over or under populated? you have no such authority.

homosexuality qualifies to be a desease as much as the pig flu. even more.

 

[Gharib]

Uh no, homosexuality is not contagious.

well atleast you agree that it is a disease.
now if there is a dissease in the body we get rid of it. same with homosexuality. if there is a disease in the the community we have to get rid of it.

 

[Kerr]

homosexuals can't have children. what makes you think they can?

Sure they can. They just have to have sex with someone of the other sex... well, did, now there are options to that to. Fact is, we are evolving in a direction where we might not even need males anymore!

and whose to say when the world is over or under populated? you have no such authority.

You don´t have the authority to say we are not over populated either.

homosexuality qualifies to be a desease as much as the pig flu. even more.

Prove it.

 

[Kerr]

well atleast you agree that it is a disease.
now if there is a dissease in the body we get rid of it. same with homosexuality. if there is a disease in the the community we have to get rid of it.

You assume too much. She didn´t. And we do not have to get rid of it, especially since you have yet to give a valid reason for why it should be classified as a disease.

 

[Gharib]

What kind of disease are you talking about, by the way? It cannot be a biological one, because then it would not be a choice. And I am not sure it can be a mental illness as well, since it does not hurt their ability to function in their life.

this is the disease: homosexuality, being a homosexual, is a disease. it is a disease to the rest of us normal people.

there is no disease in the person who is a homosexual, a homosexual is a disease to us. does it make sense?

 

[Gharib]

Maybe that homosexuality is an abnormal side effect of a society without morals? I don't know I'm just point it out, "disease" doesn't have to be a medical condition.

quite right. but i wouldn't expect them to figure it out.

 

[Gharib]

What I stated was that homosexuality has been around for quite a long...long...long time and the human race is still going.

you are right, but it was never allowed for a man to marry another man. and if homosexuality was "natural" then why didn't the animals show this natural attraction they had for the same sex untill now when homosexuality became open. when men started to have sex with other men?

anyone have a logical explanation for this? no one does so don't bother looking anything up.

like i've said many times before. i can prove homosexuality to be a choice. but none of you have the courage to go through it and then say a muslim was right all along.

 

[Gharib]

It depends on his context. Assuming that he is speaking from an Islamic viewpoint then the Qur'an bans homosexuality for a prevalent reason. During the time of the Prophet, Arabia was plunged in tribal warfare. Thousands of years ago the life expectancy of a person in ancient Arabia was around 50. Coupled with the fact that the Ummah was engaged in crippling wars against other tribes, there was a shortage of men, the warriors and "bread earners". If the remaining warriors, theoretically, engaged in homosexual behavior, then wouldn't the population flatten out and eventually regress. For the progress of the Ummah itself, then it was necessary the males of society continue to start families. For the future of society itself. Though my knowledge of the subject of homosexuality is very limited.

when you say "ancient arabia" are you speaking about the first generation of muslims of our ummah? how there were more women than men due to the men dying at battle? or are you reffering to a different time, much earlier than the time of the prophet (saws)?

 

[Kerr]

this is the disease: homosexuality, being a homosexual, is a disease. it is a disease to the rest of us normal people.

there is no disease in the person who is a homosexual, a homosexual is a disease to us. does it make sense?

"Normal" people are irrelevant, their comfort is irrelevant, fact is they got only themselves to blame for their issues with comfort.

quite right. but i wouldn't expect them to figure it out.

:slap:

 

[Gharib]

I have a brain owned by me that back me up.

good for you. but the statement doesn't say what you are implying.

 

[Gharib]

Sure they can. They just have to have sex with someone of the other sex... well, did, now there are options to that to. Fact is, we are evolving in a direction where we might not even need males anymore!

so now just cos 2 men can't have a child. lets make women breeding machines for every gay out there. listen to your self man, listen to your own logic. think a bit deeper about hings. don't just scratch the surface.

You don´t have the authority to say we are not over populated either.

i never said we are over or under populated. i'm saying you have no outhroity to say if it is or not. i certainly haven't given you my vote.

Prove it.

prove what sorry?

 

[Gharib]

You assume too much. She didn´t. And we do not have to get rid of it, especially since you have yet to give a valid reason for why it should be classified as a disease.

because it's a choice. but they think it isn't. thus they don't know and we need to help them.

 

[Gharib]

"Normal" people are irrelevant, their comfort is irrelevant, fact is they got only themselves to blame for their issues with comfort.

:slap:

i see a statement, but doesn't say much. thats just your oppinion. it doesn't count as proof that what you say is true.

 

[Bismillah]

when you say "ancient arabia" are you speaking about the first generation of muslims of our ummah? how there were more women than men due to the men dying at battle? or are you reffering to a different time, much earlier than the time of the prophet (saws)?

I'm talking about the time the Prophet revealed the message of Isalm. During this time war had depleted the Ummah of many men such as in the Battle of Uhud where many Muslims were killed and the Prophet almost lost his life.

 

[Kerr]

i see a statement, but doesn't say much. thats just your oppinion. it doesn't count as proof that what you say is true.

Nor does what you wrote count. It boils down to values here, not evidence.

 

[Kerr]

because it's a choice. but they think it isn't. thus they don't know and we need to help them.

So? That is not a reason, even if it was a choice it would not make it immoral or wrong, and it does absolutely not mean they need our help.

 

[Venatoris]

this is the disease: homosexuality, being a homosexual, is a disease. it is a disease to the rest of us normal people.

there is no disease in the person who is a homosexual, a homosexual is a disease to us. does it make sense?

Homosexuality has been around as long as any world religion(evidenced by the fact that it is mentioned in all manner of religious texts). It was there the whole time and we haven't all turned gay from exposure to it and we obviously aren't extinct.

Unlike religious groups, gays have never tried to exterminate an entire group of people in all of recorded history. Gays don't preach the downfall of heterosexuality. Gays as a whole have never done anything to you personally(if they have, please say so and i will retract this statement). What is your beef, guy?

You? Normal? Don't make me laugh! Contrary to your belief, homosexuals are not out to get you. Why are you out to get them?
I can only draw one conclusion: YOU are the disease!