Proving the existence of Allah (swt) to an atheist

[darkendless]

The Gay community sure can unite like one though...

I find it amusing that no one posting in this thread is probably gay. I know im not. Although i don't know for sure and i really don't care how other posters live their lives, its good to see people standing up for the common good of equality

 

[Venatoris]

sorry i don't understand this, can you explain it more?

It is not corrupt to conceive in another fashion. There goes your argument about gays not being able to have children. with our current technology we could phase out sex entirely and still populate the planet.

are you gay? if so are you willing to be an opponet of mine in proving that homosexuality is a choice? i can prove it to man. just say so.

lol, no I'm not gay. you asked why a man would be with a man when he could be with a woman.

well i know for a fact that a dog is a very good companion to a human. i never said it's only about sex. no one has anything against people and dogs kissing or licking each other, why would you have a problem if for someone it was 'natural' to want to have sex with a dog even though they have a communication barrier?

Can a dog give you counsel when you are faced with a dilemma? Can a dog support your opinions to other people or back you up in an argument? Can a dog tell you that he loves you? You don't get the emotional connection with a dog that you can get with another person. It's not the same thing.(plus marriage and benefits depending on where you live)

nope, i don't know whether i can say rarely or sometimes. don't know what you really mean.
no thats not want i want out of life.

i never said that being gay is only about having sex with the same sex.

You classify homosexuality as a disease. you believe it is wrong. on what grounds? the only thing that distinguishes a gay person from you is who they choose to have sex with.

You don't do everything for sex but that is what you judge gays for. You focus on their sexuality and forget that it is only a tiny aspect of what makes a person. would it be fair for me to call muslims a disease to humanity for their culinary tastes? It's only a preference. how does it hurt you?

 

[Commoner]

well i know for a fact that a dog is a very good companion to a human. i never said it's only about sex. no one has anything against people and dogs kissing or licking each other, why would you have a problem if for someone it was 'natural' to want to have sex with a dog even though they have a communication barrier?

A dog cannot give consent, a person can. Please don't compare the two, it's silly and really offensive to make these allusions that homosexuality is somehow comparable to beastiality.

Esalam, if you understand gays as much as a mechanic understand a car, I suggest you get a new mechanic.

 

[Commoner]

I find it amusing that no one posting in this thread is probably gay. I know im not. Although i don't know for sure and i really don't care how other posters live their lives, its good to see people standing up for the common good of equality

Yeah, that is interesting. The truth is, if you allow for one bad argument to get some unwarranted validity, the next bad argument is bound to follow. And as far as the average religion goes, atheists are (almost) just as much in the firing lines as the gays.

 

[Gharib]

I don't believe you because you have not said anything in this thread to suggest that it is. Your speculation is not grounds for acceptance.

Please tell me why you think people choose to be gay and i will consider it.

My reasons for people not choosing to be gay include:
- social exclusion, gay people often find it hard to make friends outside the gay community.
- family exclusion, families of Gay people often exclude them for being gay and bringing "disgrace upon the family."
- Being gay is still socially unacceptable in a religious bigot filled society.
- Gay people are not accepted by religious institutions no matter what they believe.
- Gay kids growing up are subject to rediculous bullying, i've seen it with my own eyes.

Now why the hell would anyone choose to deal with this rubbish?

just incase you've missed it. the following is what i've said concerning homosexuality being a choice:

alright lets see me prove myself right that no one would believe me.

have said it before and will say it again, homosexuality is due to a persons surrounding environment. it is not much of a choice to be homosexual when one is under the age of 10. but due to factors such as a boy playing with girls, of which there are many other cases other than just this, the boys brain starts to like what the girls do, he starts to do addapt to the likes of females. now at this stage it isn't much of a personal choice like i said, cos he doen't understand whats going on, nor does he know that life is about men being attracted to women. but it is the parents fault for letting this happen. it is the same example as leaving a young cat to grow up with pupps, the cats brain addapts to the dogs behaviour, and you have a cat acting like a dog. same with the boy. but once the boy grows then he can understand that life is about men and women, not men and men. but still he's brain is affected from the childhood factors therefore it won't just automatically change to it's normal course. but the man can change that part of his brain back to how it is sopposed to be if he really wanted, it is something reversible, but most homosexuals denie that it isn't natural and thus they denie there is something wrong with them that needs fixing.

this is just a sneak preview of what i can say about it. but too bad no one will take it seriously.

 

[Gharib]

A dog cannot give consent, a person can. Please don't compare the two, it's silly and really offensive to make these allusions that homosexuality is somehow comparable to beastiality.

Esalam, if you understand gays as much as a mechanic understand a car, I suggest you get a new mechanic.

i'm not comparing homosexuality to bestiality, although i myself find them the same.

i'm just asking how would you guys feel for someone to say "it's natural". they have no control over wanting to have sex with a dog. just as homosexuals say it's their nature. or how a heterosexual says it is his nature to love women over men.

same thing. why be offended, you would be denying someones right of freedom and equality if you didn't allow him to do what hi's nature is.

 

[MSizer]

i'm not comparing homosexuality to bestiality, although i myself find them the same.

i'm just asking how would you guys feel for someone to say "it's natural". they have no control over wanting to have sex with a dog. just as homosexuals say it's their nature. or how a heterosexual says it is his nature to love women over men.

same thing. why be offended, you would be denying someones right of freedom and equality if you didn't allow him to do what hi's nature is.

Actually, you're right about that eselam (I find it odd how suddenly logic can kick in out of nowhere for you), it would be natural if a person were attracted to a dog, because no person chooses their sexual preferences. We all are different. Do you choose to be attracted to women eselam? Could you "choose" to be attracted to men? I highly doubt it. Just like someone could not choose to be attracted to a dog - it just happens to some people. Of course actions we do choose, and that's where consent by all involved matters.

 

[YmirGF]

I am actually quite curious how Eselam thinks he can prove his views on homosexuality. To be fair, he has said that we would not accept his views, so that does give one pause. I think it would be fun to dissect his alleged thinking and toss it back at him. Given that he has written his rather disappointing prelude to this, it might prove to be highly entertaining. I wonder if the poor lad can handle the criticism that his alleged thoughts may draw.

 

[Gharib]

It is not corrupt to conceive in another fashion. There goes your argument about gays not being able to have children. with our current technology we could phase out sex entirely and still populate the planet.

but this violates the rights of children. just cos we have the power to have them it doesn't mean an unborn child has no rights. where are the rights of a child in this case?

lol, no I'm not gay. you asked why a man would be with a man when he could be with a woman.

oh yeah my bad. and just so everyone knows i will refrain from saying things that may be offencive to anyone who is or isn't homosexual.

Can a dog give you counsel when you are faced with a dilemma? Can a dog support your opinions to other people or back you up in an argument? Can a dog tell you that he loves you? You don't get the emotional connection with a dog that you can get with another person. It's not the same thing.(plus marriage and benefits depending on where you live)

well in the videos presented before, i never saw a male dog give concent to another male dog to have sex with him. it doesn't matter about concent, you can't deny someone right to have sex with an animal if they found it 'natural' to do so.

You classify homosexuality as a disease. you believe it is wrong. on what grounds?

many one such example being my first statement on this very post. misstreatment of childrens rights.

the only thing that distinguishes a gay person from you is who they choose to have sex with.

no much more. i can't become gay, they can become straight. many more.

You don't do everything for sex but that is what you judge gays for.

kind of yeah, seeing that thats their difference from me.

You focus on their sexuality and forget that it is only a tiny aspect of what makes a person. would it be fair for me to call muslims a disease to humanity for their culinary tastes? It's only a preference. how does it hurt you?

doesn't hurt me at all if you could prove that we are at wrong. and are a bad influence.

 

[Gharib]

Actually, you're right about that eselam (I find it odd how suddenly logic can kick in out of nowhere for you),

keep talking. :ignore:

it would be natural if a person were attracted to a dog, because no person chooses their sexual preferences.

although i don't agree. i do want to know: if a homosexual can get away with it by saying it's 'natural' and everyone accepts it, the why doesn't anyone accept someones case of 'natural' attraction to a dog?

We all are different. Do you choose to be attracted to women eselam?

no i don't. god has created everyone equal in this aspect. all men love women and all women love men. who ever doesn't go by this is cos they choose not to.

Could you "choose" to be attracted to men?

not at this age i couldn't, nor could you.

I highly doubt it.

you would be correct to doubt it.

Just like someone could not choose to be attracted to a dog

well what can you do about it if they said it was 'natural'? are you going to deny them their rights just cos they like something different to your taste?

- it just happens to some people. Of course actions we do choose, and that's where consent by all involved matters.

sex between 2 males is an action. your own statement implies that men choose to have sex with one another.

 

[Commoner]

no much more. i can't become gay, they can become straight. many more.

If homosexuality is a choice as you claim then there is only one way for you not to be able to become gay - if you already are.

 

[MSizer]

keep talking. :ignore:



although i don't agree. i do want to know: if a homosexual can get away with it by saying it's 'natural' and everyone accepts it, the why doesn't anyone accept someones case of 'natural' attraction to a dog?

Becaue those people are mistaken. Sexual urges are natural, no matter toward whom, period. End of story.

 

[Commoner]

i'm not comparing homosexuality to bestiality, although i myself find them the same.

Now there's a funny statement!

i'm just asking how would you guys feel for someone to say "it's natural". they have no control over wanting to have sex with a dog. just as homosexuals say it's their nature. or how a heterosexual says it is his nature to love women over men.

What two or more consenting adults do in their bedroom is their own business. Note the "consenting adults" part. We can't control who or what we are attracted to, but that does not mean we are permitted to do anything. If there is no consent, or if none can be given, that's called rape. Do you understand the difference?

same thing. why be offended, you would be denying someones right of freedom and equality if you didn't allow him to do what hi's nature is.

Nobody said that anything is permissable, I hope that's clear now.

 

[Gharib]

If homosexuality is a choice as you claim then there is only one way for you not to be able to become gay - if you already are.

yeah sure, anything you say. what you've said doens't even make sense.

how about you becoming gay? you are defending homosexuality, so tell me, could you choose to be gay right now?

 

[Gharib]

Becaue those people are mistaken. Sexual urges are natural, no matter toward whom, period. End of story.

well it's not the end of story for our friend Commoner. he is offended by it.

so try explaining it to him.

 

[Commoner]

yeah sure, anything you say. what you've said doens't even make sense.

how about you becoming gay? you are defending homosexuality, so tell me, could you choose to be gay right now?

Of course not, but I'm no claiming it's a choice.

 

[MSizer]

well it's not the end of story for our friend Commoner. he is offended by it.

so try explaining it to him.

Well, I didn't make it that way, it just happens.

 

[darkendless]

just incase you've missed it. the following is what i've said concerning homosexuality being a choice:

Lol.... if that is true it means you chose to be attracted to females, so God could have started you out gay i kid i kid

You didn't respond to my points though. I'm interested as to why you think homosexuals would choose to be so hated.

 

[Gharib]

Now there's a funny statement!

you can keep laughing if you want. :slap:

What two or more consenting adults do in their bedroom is their own business. Note the "consenting adults" part. We can't control who or what we are attracted to, but that does not mean we are permitted to do anything. If there is no consent, or if none can be given, that's called rape. Do you understand the difference?

so when did it become illegal for a dog and his master to do what ever they want in their own bedroom? and since when is it considered rape to have sex with an animal?

Nobody said that anything is permissable, I hope that's clear now.

so homosexuality is illegal then?

 

[Commoner]

well it's not the end of story for our friend Commoner. he is offended by it.

so try explaining it to him.

I never said I was offended, where did you get that idea?

I'm not offended if you call MSizer a name, but I will probably tell you that what you said was offensive.