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Proving the existence of Allah (swt) to an atheist

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Kerr

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Fatihah said:
Response: To the contrary, it's a widely known hoax. This thread alone proves this. One can simply look at the alleged evidence and even your links above to see this. Why the need to deny this?
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Ok, why would anyone fake this? What is the point?
 
Gharib

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Commoner said:
Esalam, do you understand the difference between being attracted to someone/something and having sex with them/it?

Must I explain it to you?:facepalm:
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yeah i do. so whose to say a person that feels for an animal shouldn't do it with it?

if you are ok with his 'natural' attraction then why stop him from experiencing the 'next level'???:confused:
 
MSizer

MSizer

MSizer
eselam said:
post 987 and 992 say to the contrary.
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987 states:

"Because those people are mistaken. Sexual urges are natural, no matter toward whom, period. End of story.

and 982 states:

"Actually, you're right about that eselam (I find it odd how suddenly logic can kick in out of nowhere for you), it would be natural if a person were attracted to a dog, because no person chooses their sexual preferences. We all are different. Do you choose to be attracted to women eselam? Could you "choose" to be attracted to men? I highly doubt it. Just like someone could not choose to be attracted to a dog - it just happens to some people. Of course actions we do choose, and that's where consent by all involved matters."

There is nothing that is contrary to my statement about sex being permissible between any two (or more) individuals, gender or species having no matter, as long all individuals involved are willing participants, and are of sound enough mind to understand the overall effect of their participation on their wellbing.

There is nothing "contrary" between any of my statements.
 
Commoner

Commoner

Headache
eselam said:
yeah i do. so whose to say a person that feels for an animal shouldn't do it with it?

if you are ok with his 'natural' attraction then why stop him from experiencing the 'next level'???:confused:
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I say it - and the law says it. It's animal abuse - I've already explained this (post #1004).
 
MSizer

MSizer

MSizer
eselam said:
yeah i do. so whose to say a person that feels for an animal shouldn't do it with it?

if you are ok with his 'natural' attraction then why stop him from experiencing the 'next level'???:confused:
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Becaue the dog probably doesn't know about the potential health risks, and so isn't truly of "good enough mind" to decide. If it were just fine to go ahead and act on your desires regardless of whether the participants want it or are capable of knowing better, then there would be no argument against rape, sex with minors, mentally handicapped people, bed ridden people and so on, no matter how they felt about it.
 
Gharib

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
MSizer said:
987 states:

"Because those people are mistaken. Sexual urges are natural, no matter toward whom, period. End of story.

and 982 states:

"Actually, you're right about that eselam (I find it odd how suddenly logic can kick in out of nowhere for you), it would be natural if a person were attracted to a dog, because no person chooses their sexual preferences. We all are different. Do you choose to be attracted to women eselam? Could you "choose" to be attracted to men? I highly doubt it. Just like someone could not choose to be attracted to a dog - it just happens to some people. Of course actions we do choose, and that's where consent by all involved matters."

There is nothing that is contrary to my statement about sex being permissible between any two (or more) individuals, gender or species having no matter, as long all individuals involved are willing participants, and are of sound enough mind to understand the overall effect of their participation on their wellbing.

There is nothing "contrary" between any of my statements.
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well a dog as you might know, wont give you a go ahead as in signing a contract.

and you cannot prove that the dog disslikes it or doesn't give concent to it's owner who knows the dog way better than you. but still you would deny them the right to engage in sexual activity with the dog simply cos you say so.
 
K

Kerr

Well-Known Member
eselam said:
well a dog as you might know, wont give you a go ahead as in signing a contract.

and you cannot prove that the dog disslikes it or doesn't give concent to it's owner who knows the dog way better than you. but still you would deny them the right to engage in sexual activity with the dog simply cos you say so.
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If you compare this to homosexuality, it would be like saying apples and oranges are the same thing because both are fruits.
 
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