Proving the existence of Allah (swt) to an atheist

[Commoner]

prove it then?

No, I mean, it's not my oppinion. I was just making a point.

It's my opinion that any superstitious belief can result in problems, not just muslim ones - although Islam certainly seems to be on the top of the list of creating religious fanatics these days.

 

[Amill]

aha, good one.

it's called a statement with no proof.

Lol?

a child would suffer mentally at his early life years being the child of homosexual parents. and some mental issues might be long term, god knows they could lead to suicide.

it's called a statement with no proof.

 

[Kerr]

can't remembrer. maybe yes a couple of times or maybe no.

Trust me, you would remember. They happen to have a very different definition of altruism. Fact is they appear to believe all evil in the world comes from altruism, and if people where more egoistic everything would be much better (to put it extremely simple). It makes no sense until you take the context, what they mean when they use those words and their, in lack of better words, faith into account. Which was what I meant when I said words without context are meaningless, because in the end people tend to use their own definitions of words and so.

 

[Kerr]

i don't nor does anyone else once they are past their childhood years. a grown homosexual however can choose to leave homosexuality. unlike a heterosexual.

So they no one can choose after their childhood years, yet some can? That is a contradiction. And you have yet to explain why.

 

[Kerr]

prove it then?

Remember what I said about context?

 

[Commoner]

Infact, of all the religions, Islam probably has the worst track record for suicide amongst it's followers.

Well, I don't know if that's true. I mean, I don't know if I'd put those who are negatively affected by their religion in the same basket than those who do stupid things in the name of their religion - in those, Islam may be certainly ahead. But christianity is no better in the other department.

 

[Kerr]

said it before and will say it again. i am not comparing homosexuality to bestiality, although i myself find them the same.

Which is basically the same thing. Let me ask you... why do you not think bestiality and hetrosexuality to be the same?

 

[Aquitaine]

Well, I don't know if that's true. I mean, I don't know if I'd put those who are negatively affected by their religion in the same basket than those who do stupid things in the name of their religion - in those, Islam may be certainly ahead. But christianity is no better in the other department.

That's true. I guess I was trying to show eselam the errors of making such a shallow statement. I don't get this idea of how having Homo-Sexual parents is going to destroy children, no more than being an Atheist makes you eat babies - except being an Atheist does make you eat babies (of course).

^_^

 

[Commoner]

That's true. I guess I was trying to show eselam the errors of making such a shallow statement. I don't get this idea of how having Homo-Sexual parents is going to destroy children, no more than being an Atheist makes you eat babies - except being an Atheist does make you eat babies (of course).

^_^

Of course.

And don't forget murder, rape and pillage! :tribal:

I don't see how sexuality has anything to do with it at all, it's just beyond me. :areyoucra

 

[Fatihah]

Ok, why would anyone fake this? What is the point?

Response: For the same reasons why a person defends any other lie. They want to be right and refuse to acknowledge that their completely wrong. It's called ego. However, the reason behind wanting to be right will vary depending on the person.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I have to agree here. Its widely known that animals engage in Homosexual behaviour but people whos religious affiliations cannot except that, will ignore the evidence or try to argue against it. Why?


Why would the fact that animals participate in Homosexual behaviour be harmful to Islam in any way? Why the need to deny this?

Maybe some religious people are under the impression their god gave man the gift of "free Will"...but did not extend this to animals....Thus they can't comprehend the evidence right before their very eyes of animals engaging in homosexual behavior.....Maybe they can't come to grips that this is how their god created them....It's their nature....

 

[Dirty Penguin]

well 2 men can't have children with one another. meaning the human population will start to decrease. and i'm affraid thats what disseases do.

Then you don't know what a disease is then....

I remember reading online that the gay/lesbian community makeup about 10% of the human population. If this is true then there will be no decline in the human population. There have been gay people from long time past and what we continue to see is gay/lesbian population growth as well as heterosexual population growth....so you may have to show where this decline is....

 

[Dirty Penguin]

More realistically, perhaps homosexuality is just a natural result of over-population.

Or maybe it's just (natural)....(biologically)....

 

[MSizer]

OK, so look, we've seen over a thousand posts now and I'm starting to find it's dragging on. When do we get to the "proof" of allah? I am starting to wonder if maybe I'm being led on here.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

OK, so look, we've seen over a thousand posts now and I'm starting to find it's dragging on. When do we get to the "proof" of allah? I am starting to wonder if maybe I'm being led on here.

How do you expect allah's existence to be proven to you when you refuse to assume that he exists? You ask for proof, but then you are unwilling to alter your definition of "proof" to include circular logic and baseless assumptions.

 

[Commoner]

How do you expect allah's existence to be proven to you when you refuse to assume that he exists? You ask for proof, but then you are unwilling to alter your definition of "proof" to include circular logic and baseless assumptions.

Response: Likewise

 

[Bismillah]

Maybe some religious people are under the impression their god gave man the gift of "free Will"...but did not extend this to animals....Thus they can't comprehend the evidence right before their very eyes of animals engaging in homosexual behavior.....Maybe they can't come to grips that this is how their god created them....It's their nature....

I have verses from the Qur'an and Hadith that demonstrate that Allah gave animals free will that extends beyond inherent knowledge. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

 

[Bismillah]

How do you expect allah's existence to be proven to you when you refuse to assume that he exists? You ask for proof, but then you are unwilling to alter your definition of "proof" to include circular logic and baseless assumptions.

Thank you for reiterating this fact.

 

[Commoner]

I have verses from the Qur'an and Hadith that demonstrate that Allah gave animals free will that extends beyond inherent knowledge. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

Your friend Esalam doesn't seem to agree. Is this the mainstream view?

Thank you for reiterating this fact.

Hehe, you didn't read that very well, did you.

 

[MSizer]

I have verses from the Qur'an and Hadith that demonstrate that Allah gave animals free will that extends beyond inherent knowledge. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

We don't need evidence to the contrary, as there is no evidence to support it in the first place. You're the one making the claim, so you're the one who has to do the proving.