Proving the existence of Allah (swt) to an atheist

[Gharib]

Becaue the dog probably doesn't know about the potential health risks, and so isn't truly of "good enough mind" to decide. If it were just fine to go ahead and act on your desires regardless of whether the participants want it or are capable of knowing better, then there would be no argument against rape, sex with minors, mentally handicapped people, bed ridden people and so on, no matter how they felt about it.

still it gives you no right to deny the persons rights on his sex life.

what if the dog is asked about it and kind of gives a confimation to it by a dogish acceptance?

 

[Gharib]

And I agree. However, have you ever discussed altruism with an Objectivist?

can't remembrer. maybe yes a couple of times or maybe no.

 

[Venatoris]

Eselam, please refer to post#1010. I was actually serious about a few of those questions.

 

[Gharib]

If you compare this to homosexuality, it would be like saying apples and oranges are the same thing because both are fruits.

said it before and will say it again. i am not comparing homosexuality to bestiality, although i myself find them the same.

 

[Venatoris]

said it before and will say it again. i am not comparing homosexuality to bestiality, although i myself find them the same.

If you find them to be the same, you ARE comparing them!

 

[Gharib]

Eselam, please refer to post#1010. I was actually serious about a few of those questions.

i appologise for missing it.

 

[Commoner]

still it gives you no right to deny the persons rights on his sex life.

what if the dog is asked about it and kind of gives a confimation to it by a dogish acceptance?

Dogs cannot give consent. Just like minors cannot give consent. Are you intentionally not getting this?

It's not because they can't communicate it, that has nothing to do with it.

 

[Gharib]

Please explain how you think the rights of the children are being infringed upon.

every child must have a mother or a father, unless in cases of divorce or death of one parent etc.

a child would suffer mentally at his early life years being the child of homosexual parents. and some mental issues might be long term, god knows they could lead to suicide.

Then you must refrain from calling homosexuality a disease. I'm offended and I'm sure many others are as well.

will do.

how do you know the dogs gave no consent? you don't speak their language.

so how do you or anyone else know that a dog would not or does not give concent to his master concerning sex?

How does having loving parents(of the same gender) infringe on a childs rights?

how? youd be surprised.

So you don't have a choice when it comes to your sexual orientation? I'll just let you ponder that until you realize that you disproved your own point.

i don't nor does anyone else once they are past their childhood years. a grown homosexual however can choose to leave homosexuality. unlike a heterosexual.

You missed the point entirely. you don't judge the quality of a person by what they like to eat or how they choose to dress, do you? why do you focus on one of the least significant aspects of a whole person and condemn them for it, all the while, maintaining this smug sense of superiority.

it isn't just their sex that i focus on. i would not have raised the concern about children would i?

I didn't ask you how you would feel.

you sure did.

I asked you if it would be fair to judge them. the answer, by the way, is no. furthermore you can't prove that homosexuals are wrong to live the way they do. Do you even see the correlation?

you asked about fairness too. but still what i said stands.

 

[Gharib]

If you find them to be the same, you ARE comparing them!

i'm not comparing them. i am asking for your views on it. for one thing you agree for the other you don't. why so?

 

[MSizer]

still it gives you no right to deny the persons rights on his sex life.

what if the dog is asked about it and kind of gives a confimation to it by a dogish acceptance?

Who is denying anybody's rights? If a dog wanted to have sex with me, I'd refuse. If a 12 year old girl wanted to have sex with me, I'd refuse (on the grounds that I don't believe they are capable of understanding the overall effect it would have on their wellbeing).

It's not their "right" to force me into sex.

 

[Amill]

a child would suffer mentally at his early life years being the child of homosexual parents. and some mental issues might be long term, god knows they could lead to suicide.

Have you done research into this matter? Can you at least provide some links to reasearch that prove your assertion? I wouldn't be surprised if a child was more likely to have mental issues...but maybe that's because homosexuality is not well accepted? There's no reason why 2 parents of the same gender can't take care of their child as well as parents of different genders...do you have research that proves otherwise? I've seen kids with 2 moms and they were fine.

 

[Commoner]

a child would suffer mentally at his early life years being the child of homosexual parents. and some mental issues might be long term, god knows they could lead to suicide.

a child could suffer mentally at his early life years being the child of muslim parents. and some mental issues might be long term, god knows they could lead to suicide.

How does that make you feel?

 

[Gharib]

Have you done research into this matter? Can you at least provide some links to reasearch that prove your assertion? I wouldn't be surprised if a child was more likely to have mental issues...but maybe that's because homosexuality is not well accepted? There's no reason why 2 parents of the same gender can't take care of their child as well as parents of different genders...do you have research that proves otherwise? I've seen kids with 2 moms and they were fine.

how old were the kids, about 12 and under or older?

i'd say 12 and under.

 

[Gharib]

a child could suffer mentally at his early life years being the child of muslim parents. and some mental issues might be long term, god knows they could lead to suicide.

How does that make you feel?

thats just your oppinion. you are entitled to one.

 

[Commoner]

thats just your oppinion. you are entitled to one.

I wasn't expressing my oppinion.

 

[Venatoris]

every child must have a mother or a father, unless in cases of divorce or death of one parent etc.

a child would suffer mentally at his early life years being the child of homosexual parents. and some mental issues might be long term, god knows they could lead to suicide.

I know a few people who have gay parents(us backwoods Canadians let them get married) and I can say for a fact that this isn't true. none of them have commited suicide and they have never expressed any problems concerning their parents that aren't shared by children of hetero parents.

so how do you or anyone else know that a dog would not or does not give concent to his master concerning sex?

you can't know. this is exactly my point. that is how it is different. Homosexuals can talk. Dogs can't.

how? youd be surprised.

Enlighten me. How?

i don't nor does anyone else once they are past their childhood years. a grown homosexual however can choose to leave homosexuality. unlike a heterosexual.

I beg to differ. Many people have entered a heterosexual marriage and had children before coming to terms with the fact that they are gay.

it isn't just their sex that i focus on. i would not have raised the concern about children would i?

You didn't raise a concern, you made a statement, which is complete speculation. you have no case study or evidence for it. If you do have reference material about the mental state of children raised by same-sex parents now would be a good time to provide it.

 

[Aquitaine]

a child could suffer mentally at his early life years being the child of muslim parents. and some mental issues might be long term, god knows they could lead to suicide.

How does that make you feel?

Infact, of all the religions, Islam probably has the worst track record for suicide amongst it's followers.

 

[Gharib]

I wasn't expressing my oppinion.

prove it then?

 

[Gharib]

Infact, of all the religions, Islam probably has the worst track record for suicide amongst it's followers.

aha, good one.

it's called a statement with no proof.

 

[Venatoris]

prove it then?

Alrighty then. an opinion starts with words like "I believe" or "I think". When you present your opinion without such an opening you are making a statement.