Question to Bahais. The Maitreya.

[George-ananda]

I am saying fake Prophets have to be seen as false. To say Mohammad is a true Prophet and we all hypocrites for rejecting other claims of Prophethood, is shown to be inconsistent when keep in mind there is false Prophets like this guy claiming to be the Maitreya.

In Baha'i teachings there are allowed to be minor prophets like perhaps this current Maitreya. But he is not a Manifestation of God of which there have been only nine.

From the Baha'i teachings:

These Manifestations include Abraham, Zoroaster, Moses, the Buddha, Krishna, Jesus Christ, Muhammad, the Bab, and the founder of the Baha’i Faith, Baha‘u’llah.

 

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In Baha'i teachings there are allowed to be minor prophets like perhaps this current Maitreya. But he is not a Manifestation of God of which there have been only nine.

From the Baha'i teachings:

These Manifestations include Abraham, Zoroaster, Moses, the Buddha, Krishna, Jesus Christ, Muhammad, the Bab, and the founder of the Baha’i Faith, Baha‘u’llah.

Bro, I'm not getting into whether he is or not. I definitely believe he is a false Prophet. But my point is clear. If Bahais are not following the Maitreya, they have to develop standards other then there argument we have to accept claims of Prophethood because we accept Mohammad (s).

 

[InvestigateTruth]

You mean like this:

Read the Scriptures, the Revelation, and the Promises that We have given to many Prophets and Beings before you. We have carried out Our Promise, and Promises to them. It clearly is in your Scripture that there will be an end time. It is in that time that We will open the Seven Seals and will send a Prophet to you with the clear signs explaining what was happening for the last 12,000 years and before.

Yes, like this, but only if you really mean it to claim, that these are words of God.

I believe Allah does not allow that to happen.

 

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Yes, like this, but only if you really mean it to claim, that these are words of God.

I believe Allah does not allow that to happen.

I'm just quoting the guy (Maiterya) he has a section about God's words directly to him even though he claims his other works are from God, he has a part that is the style of God talking to him. This is quoted from that.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I'm just quoting the guy (Maiterya) he has a section about God's words directly to him even though he claims his other works are from God, he has a part that is the style of God talking to him. This is quoted from that.

Which book, or at least the link to where you find this.

 

[George-ananda]

If Bahais are not following the Maitreya, they have to develop standards other then there argument we have to accept claims of Prophethood because we accept Mohammad (s).

Baha'is accept only the nine Manifestations Iisted above. Once accepting Baha'u'llah, they are clear on the question and don't need to develop standards for considering someone like this Maitreya. This Maitreya cannot be considered a Manifestation of God as it will be at least a thousand years after Baha'u'llah before a new Manifestation will appear.

 

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Which book, or at least the link to where you find this.

files-revelations-2007-07-07-07-revelations-2 - Mission of Maitreya

 

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Baha'is accept only the nine Manifestations Iisted above. Once accepting Baha'u'llah, they are clear on the question and don't need to develop standards for considering someone like this Maitreya. This Maitreya cannot be considered a Manifestation of God as it will be at least a thousand years after Baha'u'llah before a new Manifestation will appear.

Yeah I agree this what Bahais believe. Just as Muslims believe God ended revelations in form of scripture to mankind with Mohammad (s).

However, just as Bahais have sophistry games with words putting a halt to Mohammad (s), so does he with with those words. He has a section explaining what "Baha'allah" truly meant in that regard. Basically, he is saying, it's the same way Bab meant, and that is the outward meaning, but no one to interpret it for them other then it's outward meaning which is the same as what Bab meant per Maiterya, means anyone other than a manifestation from God to do so. And the interpretation he argues is that it's same how Baha'allah was meant in those exact same words of Bab, he is also the one who God manifested.

I'm not saying it's rational, but this is what sophistry and dishonesty to language allows.

Anything can mean anything really.

The Bayanis also believe Baha'allah was dishonest in that regard about thousand years. No one was suppose to come after Bab for a thousand years per them.

 

[George-ananda]

He has a section explaining what "Baha'allah" truly meant in that regard.

I'm not clear. Is the 'He' in that sentence above the current so-call Maitreya? Are you saying Maitreya commented directly on the subject of Baha'u'llah's revelation?

 

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I'm not clear. Is the 'He' in that sentence above the current so-call Maitreya? Are you saying Maitreya commented directly on the subject of Baha'u'llah's revelation?

Yeah he did.

 

[George-ananda]

Yeah he did.

Any link, Link?

 

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Any link, Link?

english-other-evidences-bahai-greatest-name - Mission of Maitreya

 

[InvestigateTruth]

files-revelations-2007-07-07-07-revelations-2 - Mission of Maitreya

Right.
I read his website. He doesn't seem to claim he has a new Book with new Laws.
And it appears only in this example he claimed that God is speaking.

Baha'u'llah wrote:


"Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things."


It is not like he is adding or removing any Shariah Laws from Last Book of God (Aghdas), and saying follow these new laws. So, in this sense he is not misleading people. He seems to teach unity of mankind. Many of his words are like Bahai Books.

And if it was only one time claim that God spoke to him, then God could forgive him.
At least for Bahais there are Criterias.


For example Baha'u'llah wrote before every
Manifestation, A star must appear in the sky:

"In like manner, in the invisible heaven a star shall be made manifest who, unto the peoples of the earth, shall act as a harbinger of the break of that true and exalted Morn. These twofold signs, in the visible and the invisible heaven, have announced the Revelation of each of the Prophets of God, as is commonly believed."
Baha'u'llah, Iqan

 

[firedragon]

In Baha'i teachings there are allowed to be minor prophets like perhaps this current Maitreya. But he is not a Manifestation of God of which there have been only nine.

Not true.

Baha'is accept only the nine Manifestations Iisted above. Once accepting Baha'u'llah, they are clear on the question and don't need to develop standards for considering someone like this Maitreya. This Maitreya cannot be considered a Manifestation of God as it will be at least a thousand years after Baha'u'llah before a new Manifestation will appear.

Actually, Bahaullah was Maithri according to the Bahai teachings. So another maithri or maithrea what ever one wishes to call himself is false by default. Maithreya already came.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Here is his official website.

english-thoth - Mission of Maitreya

He has replies to Bahais in Q/A.

There are different people who claim to be Maitreya. I prefer this one: Maitreya, the Christ

 

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Right.
I read his website. He doesn't seem to claim he has a new Book with new Laws.
And it appears only in this example he claimed that God is speaking.

Baha'u'llah wrote:


"Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things."


It is not like he is adding or removing any Shariah Laws from Last Book of God (Aghdas), and saying follow these new laws. So, in this sense he is not misleading people. He seems to teach unity of mankind. Many of his words are like Bahai Books.

And if it was only one time claim that God spoke to him, then God could forgive him.
At least for Bahais there are Criterias.


For example Baha'u'llah wrote before every
Manifestation, A star must appear in the sky:

"In like manner, in the invisible heaven a star shall be made manifest who, unto the peoples of the earth, shall act as a harbinger of the break of that true and exalted Morn. These twofold signs, in the visible and the invisible heaven, have announced the Revelation of each of the Prophets of God, as is commonly believed."
Baha'u'llah, Iqan

He has new laws, and principles.

 

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Not true.



Actually, Bahaullah was Maithri according to the Bahai teachings. So another maithri or maithrea what ever one wishes to call himself is false by default. Maithreya already came.

From his viewpoint, there are many Mahdis, many Christs. So he is saying, he is just another one after Baha'allah. We can see this same with Bab claiming to be the Mahdi and Baha'allah claiming same.

 

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There are different people who claim to be Maitreya. I prefer this one: Maitreya, the Christ

There is no shortage of these fake Mahdis. That's the point.

It's not good enough to say we have to accept all those who claim to be Prophets because we accept Prophet Mohammad (s). Sorry, there was even a fake Prophet during his time.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So now we building criteria. The claim of being a Prophet is not good enough.

Just like during Mohammad (s) time there was a fake Prophet.

Yes the Claim has to be supported by the Message. The Message given by Allah is reflected from the Messenger. Their person and Their Life are the first example of the Message.

The Messenger is Born of the Holy Spirit, they are not men like us. So from birth, and even before birth, these potential Attributes can be seen and as Children they already show signs of what they will give to humanity.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There is no shortage of these fake Mahdis. That's the point.

It's not good enough to say we have to accept all those who claim to be Prophets because we accept Prophet Mohammad (s). Sorry, there was even a fake Prophet during his time.

Then there is the other caution.

The first caution results in our investigation that weeds out all the false Prophets, then the other caution, is the most important, and that is not rejecting the True Prophet, Allah's Will for humanity.

Regards Tony