Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

I would not call it petty for God to have wrath that is fully warranted.

No it is. When your a powerful being that kills lesser beings then you, just because they don't believe in you. That sounds pretty petty to me.

 

[Trailblazer]

your quote; No human being can discover “the Real Truth” from God on their own. It is a fool’s errand. God is forever hidden from our view.

My Answer: Who has convinced you of this? Holding onto this Belief bides you to inaction. It imprisons you and your view in a box limiting you. Can you really contain God in a box of beliefs?

No, you are wrong about that. My belief does not keep me in a box and it does not prevent me from action. Rather, it spurs me into action.

God is not contained in a box of beliefs. God is not contained by anyone anywhere. God is transcendent. God transcends everything.

“It should be remembered in this connection that the one true God is in Himself exalted beyond and above proximity and remoteness. His reality transcendeth such limitations.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 185​

Nothing is hidden from you. What purpose would God have hiding anything? The only ones who hide things and invite you never to question or look elsewhere are those who do not want you to know the Real Truth.

The Essence of God is hidden because God hides His Essence. Nothing else is hidden.

“Exalted, immeasurably exalted, art Thou above the strivings of mortal man to unravel Thy mystery, to describe Thy glory, or even to hint at the nature of Thine Essence. For whatever such strivings may accomplish, they never can hope to transcend the limitations imposed upon Thy creatures, inasmuch as these efforts are actuated by Thy decree, and are begotten of Thine invention. The loftiest sentiments which the holiest of saints can express in praise of Thee, and the deepest wisdom which the most learned of men can utter in their attempts to comprehend Thy nature, all revolve around that Center Which is wholly subjected to Thy sovereignty, Which adoreth Thy Beauty, and is propelled through the movement of Thy Pen.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 3-4​

your quote; Sure, we can discover lots of things, there is no limit to what humans can discover, but we cannot discover God by “looking around.”

My Answer; You just must widen your view. OK, say i place a car in the middle of an ancient city several thousand years ago. Would the people of that time Discover nothing of those who made the car? Nothing?

AS I see it, in this time-based causal universe, God's actions can be seen. These actions can not be altered by anyone. The Truth Stares us in the face! Granted it's not easy. For many, it can be a stretch, however I think everyone can Discover something.

Nobody can ever know what God’s actions are. God is unknowable. You might ascribe certain events to something God did but there is no way to know what God is “doing.” This is the salient problem. Do you think that God is causing everything to happen on earth? I think it is the freely chosen actions of man that causes everything to happen, but we can only do what we do with the assistance of God. The inaction or the movement of man depends upon the assistance of God. But God is not doing the actions, we are. This short chapter explains free will and how it is related to God: 70: FREE WILL

Completely lost? OK! I'll give you an action of God. God chooses not to just give us knowledge. Why not? Matter contains enormous amounts of energy. If God would give us the conversion method, we would not use oil and pollute the air.

This brings up questions. Why does God not make it easy? Why didn't God give everyone air conditioning or air planes thousands of years ago? Now, if God does not give knowledge freely, why do you think God will in order to control your choices and the actions of people? He won't. Mankind is about control. God is not.

It doesn't add up, but it MUST add up if it comes from the Highest Intelligence. Do you see where I'm going here?

God gave us a brain with higher intelligence to discover these things. Then God left us alone to discover these things.

There are a million questions and lots of work to Discover answers, however as I see it, it will lead to God.

I do not understand how you think discovering things in science will lead us to God.

 

[Trailblazer]

Can not High Intelligence come up with a better way of delivery in order to prevent deception? If I can, surely God can.

God can do anything but God does not interfere with human free will to prevent deception. God allows it to unfold and be resolved by humans.

Of course. you are making the assumption God needs or wants said message delivered. AS I see God's system, holy books are used solely as a catalyst with brings so many of mankind's problems to the surface so mankind can deal with them. After all, when people think they have God's backing, they hold nothing bad.

The messages revealed by God to Messengers (Prophets) that become holy books are the solutions to mankind’s problems.

“The Prophets of God should be regarded as physicians whose task is to foster the well-being of the world and its peoples, that, through the spirit of oneness, they may heal the sickness of a divided humanity. To none is given the right to question their words or disparage their conduct, for they are the only ones who can claim to have understood the patient and to have correctly diagnosed its ailments. No man, however acute his perception, can ever hope to reach the heights which the wisdom and understanding of the Divine Physician have attained.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 80​

God's system worked long before holy books were created by mankind. God's system will still work long after religion becomes obsolete.

God’s system is the religion that is established by the Messengers of God. God has always sent Messengers to humanity even before the art of writing. Religion has always existed and will continue to exist for eternity.

 

[Trailblazer]

No it is. When your a powerful being that kills lesser beings then you, just because they don't believe in you. That sounds pretty petty to me.

Who said God does that?
God does not kill anyone for non-belief.
God does not need you to believe in Him.
God does not need anything.
God is fully self-sufficient.

 

[ChristineM]

Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. It's OK. You can not say anything about those who Believe in God. You clutch to your Beliefs as tightly and any person of religion.

I understand Discovery takes work. Religion and society have conditioned many to just sit back accepting or rejecting beliefs. I will not feed this monster.

Worry not. At the point when knowing the Real Truth becomes more important to you, you will not settle for mere Beliefs.

Like I said before, your journey has never been up to me. Be who you must. It's a part of the Plan. You have my Blessing.

Oh yes, always be True to yourself, like you suggest. Wandering just makes the journey longer.

You hit the nail on the head with "those who Believe in God"

Difference is my beliefs are backed up with evidence, not opinion.

You have no idea who i am. You have no idea that its people like you who destroyed my faith and drove me from the church. Live and learn eh?

 

[Bird123]

No, you are wrong about that. My belief does not keep me in a box and it does not prevent me from action. Rather, it spurs me into action.

God is not contained in a box of beliefs. God is not contained by anyone anywhere. God is transcendent. God transcends everything.

“It should be remembered in this connection that the one true God is in Himself exalted beyond and above proximity and remoteness. His reality transcendeth such limitations.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 185​

The Essence of God is hidden because God hides His Essence. Nothing else is hidden.

“Exalted, immeasurably exalted, art Thou above the strivings of mortal man to unravel Thy mystery, to describe Thy glory, or even to hint at the nature of Thine Essence. For whatever such strivings may accomplish, they never can hope to transcend the limitations imposed upon Thy creatures, inasmuch as these efforts are actuated by Thy decree, and are begotten of Thine invention. The loftiest sentiments which the holiest of saints can express in praise of Thee, and the deepest wisdom which the most learned of men can utter in their attempts to comprehend Thy nature, all revolve around that Center Which is wholly subjected to Thy sovereignty, Which adoreth Thy Beauty, and is propelled through the movement of Thy Pen.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 3-4​

Nobody can ever know what God’s actions are. God is unknowable. You might ascribe certain events to something God did but there is no way to know what God is “doing.” This is the salient problem. Do you think that God is causing everything to happen on earth? I think it is the freely chosen actions of man that causes everything to happen, but we can only do what we do with the assistance of God. The inaction or the movement of man depends upon the assistance of God. But God is not doing the actions, we are. This short chapter explains free will and how it is related to God: 70: FREE WILL

God gave us a brain with higher intelligence to discover these things. Then God left us alone to discover these things.

I do not understand how you think discovering things in science will lead us to God.

When you say God is unreachable or no one can know God or that God is hidden, your Belief prevents you from even trying to Discover God. If you do not Discover God, won't you just keep following mankind and mankind's beliefs????

your quote:I do not understand how you think discovering things in science will lead us to God.[/QUOTE] My Answer;Since God created everything, understanding the why and how of things reflect Who God is just like your actions reflect who you are. Don't you see? Nothing is hidden.

your quote;Do you think that God is causing everything to happen on earth? My Answer; Everyone has free will under the parameters of their life. On the other hand, this is God's creation. Never think God has no hand in it. God is far from helpless under the realm of mankind's free will.

Since everything about God must add up completely, perhaps your next step is to Discover how everything does add up completely. AS I have said many times before, this world is a Masterpiece. Further, if I were to create it all, I would not change a thing.

To question is the start on the path to Discovery. Has accepting beliefs prevented the million questions a hungry student should be asking? Further, have you quit searching for answers?

Example: If all the physics of this world add up perfectly, should not the people factor add up perfectly as well?? Does the people factor add up perfectly to you?

Example; Religion and society says it's all about Good and Evil. Would it surprise you to Discover it has never ever been about Good and Evil. It has never been about Beliefs.

Example; Why are you here? Why do you exist? What is the purpose of it all? Does Eternity have purpose or is the goal to have it made in Heaven?

Questions! Where are your million questions that you search to Discover the Truth for? Do your Beliefs really add up??

To me, it seems you are in a box and happy to be there. Perhaps, you are afraid to leave. I wonder why?

AS I see it, you limit yourself.

 

[Bird123]

God can do anything but God does not interfere with human free will to prevent deception. God allows it to unfold and be resolved by humans.

The messages revealed by God to Messengers (Prophets) that become holy books are the solutions to mankind’s problems.

“The Prophets of God should be regarded as physicians whose task is to foster the well-being of the world and its peoples, that, through the spirit of oneness, they may heal the sickness of a divided humanity. To none is given the right to question their words or disparage their conduct, for they are the only ones who can claim to have understood the patient and to have correctly diagnosed its ailments. No man, however acute his perception, can ever hope to reach the heights which the wisdom and understanding of the Divine Physician have attained.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 80​

God’s system is the religion that is established by the Messengers of God. God has always sent Messengers to humanity even before the art of writing. Religion has always existed and will continue to exist for eternity.

the quote;“The Prophets of God should be regarded as physicians whose task is to foster the well-being of the world and its peoples, that, through the spirit of oneness, they may heal the sickness of a divided humanity. To none is given the right to question their words or disparage their conduct, for they are the only ones who can claim to have understood the patient and to have correctly diagnosed its ailments. No man, however acute his perception, can ever hope to reach the heights which the wisdom and understanding of the Divine Physician have attained.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 80

My Answer; None is given the right to question?? Do you still think this stuff comes from God? The only ones who do not want you to question are those who do not want you to know the Real Truth.

OK, let's lose all the religions and holy books. Ask yourself. Has God ever told anyone not to question?? Of course not and never will. Has God ever told someone to question? Yes, everyday through His actions. God rewards those who question, search, and discover the answers. The rewards from new knowledge brings new ways of thinking and an easier life, also it keeps the quest for new knowledge moving ever forward. We would all still be cave people if no one ever questioned.

Hmmm? Seems you just Discovered another one of God's actions. Widen your view. What else can you see?

You claim your holy book comes straight from God but clearly it is a creation of mankind.

 

[Bird123]

You hit the nail on the head with "those who Believe in God"

Difference is my beliefs are backed up with evidence, not opinion.

You have no idea who i am. You have no idea that its people like you who destroyed my faith and drove me from the church. Live and learn eh?

Don't you see? It's not about Faith or Believing. It's not about going to church. This is not God. This is mankind.

AS I see it, mankind's Greatest problem is that everybody wants to rule the world. Mankind holds tightly on the petty concept of ruling and controlling others.

AS I have said before. Your journey has never been up to me. On the other hand, just like God does, I placed Truth around you with no demands from you at all. Don't want to go to church? Great! Don't want to believe in God? Great. Want to think I'm crazy? Great. It's you choosing and learning from your choices only now you have more information whether you realize it or not..

Knowledge runs deep throughout this world. On the other hand, so many can not seem to see beyond the surface. Just as all the complex physics of this world run deep so does everything around people. Very few even have a clue. Just as all the physics add up completely, so does the people factor. Does it all really add up to you?

I'm curious. What is your evidence that God does not exist?

 

[Trailblazer]

When you say God is unreachable or no one can know God or that God is hidden, your Belief prevents you from even trying to Discover God. If you do not Discover God, won't you just keep following mankind and mankind's beliefs????

We can see God reflected in all of Creation, but we cannot ever discover the Essence of God (God’s intrinsic nature). By looking at Creation, we can discover the Attributes of God, since they are reflected in all of Creation.

I am not following mankind or mankind’s beliefs; I am following the teachings and laws of Baha’u’llah, who was a Manifestation of God. It is a Guide to living, but I live my own life.

your quote: I do not understand how you think discovering things in science will lead us to God.

My Answer; Since God created everything, understanding the why and how of things reflect Who God is just like your actions reflect who you are. Don't you see? Nothing is hidden.

Yes, I agree. I just did not understand what you meant. As I said above, God is reflected in all of Creation, so by looking at Creation we can discover something about God. All of Creation reflects the Attributes of God, but only humans have the potential to reflect “all of God’s Attributes.” The Signs of God are within us, so the more we know God the more we know our True Self.

This passage explains what I am trying to say.

“Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth is a direct evidence of the revelation within it of the attributes and names of God, inasmuch as within every atom are enshrined the signs that bear eloquent testimony to the revelation of that Most Great Light. Methinks, but for the potency of that revelation, no being could ever exist. How resplendent the luminaries of knowledge that shine in an atom, and how vast the oceans of wisdom that surge within a drop! To a supreme degree is this true of man, who, among all created things, hath been invested with the robe of such gifts, and hath been singled out for the glory of such distinction. For in him are potentially revealed all the attributes and names of God to a degree that no other created being hath excelled or surpassed. All these names and attributes are applicable to him. Even as He hath said: “Man is My mystery, and I am his mystery.” Manifold are the verses that have been repeatedly revealed in all the Heavenly Books and the Holy Scriptures, expressive of this most subtle and lofty theme. Even as He hath revealed: “We will surely show them Our signs in the world and within themselves.” Again He saith: “And also in your own selves: will ye not, then, behold the signs of God?” And yet again He revealeth: “And be ye not like those who forget God, and whom He hath therefore caused to forget their own selves.” In this connection, He Who is the eternal King—may the souls of all that dwell within the mystic Tabernacle be a sacrifice unto Him—hath spoken: “He hath known God who hath known himself.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 177-178​

your quote; Do you think that God is causing everything to happen on earth?

My Answer; Everyone has free will under the parameters of their life. On the other hand, this is God's creation. Never think God has no hand in it. God is far from helpless under the realm of mankind's free will.

That’s sure true, because God can override any free choice we might “want to make” at any time since God is omnipotent.

Since everything about God must add up completely, perhaps your next step is to Discover how everything does add up completely. AS I have said many times before, this world is a Masterpiece. Further, if I were to create it all, I would not change a thing.

I am glad you like God’s Creation so much. Sometimes I can see the beauty in it and other times I just see the suffering, most of which is caused by humans by the free will choices they make. How we view it is really just a reflection of our present mind state and emotions.

To question is the start on the path to Discovery. Has accepting beliefs prevented the million questions a hungry student should be asking? Further, have you quit searching for answers?

Religious beliefs are just a way of understanding who God is and how God relates to humans. Religious teachings are just a Guide to right living; they do not prevent us from discovering the world. They do not stop us from searching for more answers, not unless we think we have arrived. It is not a Baha’i belief that we ever arrive anywhere; we are enjoined to be a seeker of truth all the days of our lives, and that process will continue after we die as the soul continues to progress in the spiritual world throughout all of eternity.

“And now concerning thy question regarding the soul of man and its survival after death. Know thou of a truth that the soul, after its separation from the body, will continue to progress until it attaineth the presence of God, in a state and condition which neither the revolution of ages and centuries, nor the changes and chances of this world, can alter. It will endure as long as the Kingdom of God, His sovereignty, His dominion and power will endure. It will manifest the signs of God and His attributes, and will reveal His loving kindness and bounty.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 155-156​

Every human being has a soul so every soul can progress in the afterlife.

Example: If all the physics of this world add up perfectly, should not the people factor add up perfectly as well?? Does the people factor add up perfectly to you?

Example; Religion and society says it's all about Good and Evil. Would it surprise you to Discover it has never ever been about Good and Evil. It has never been about Beliefs.

Example; Why are you here? Why do you exist? What is the purpose of it all? Does Eternity have purpose or is the goal to have it made in Heaven?

Questions! Where are your million questions that you search to Discover the Truth for? Do your Beliefs really add up??

My religion has answers to many of those questions, such as the purpose of our existence here on earth and where we are headed after this, but there will always be more questions and we must meditate and reflect on the answers we have, not just believe them.

To me, it seems you are in a box and happy to be there. Perhaps, you are afraid to leave. I wonder why?
AS I see it, you limit yourself.

I do not know what you say that, just because I belong to a religion? I am not in a box at all. If I was in a Baha’i Box, I would be hanging out with Baha’is on a Baha’i forum or engaging in Baha’i activities, but I do not do that. Instead, I spend all my time on forums trying to learn and grow spiritually by conversing with others who are different from me. I learn so much by interacting with people who believe differently than me, believers and nonbelievers.

 

[Trailblazer]

the quote; “The Prophets of God should be regarded as physicians whose task is to foster the well-being of the world and its peoples, that, through the spirit of oneness, they may heal the sickness of a divided humanity. To none is given the right to question their words or disparage their conduct, for they are the only ones who can claim to have understood the patient and to have correctly diagnosed its ailments. No man, however acute his perception, can ever hope to reach the heights which the wisdom and understanding of the Divine Physician have attained.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 80

My Answer; None is given the right to question?? Do you still think this stuff comes from God? The only ones who do not want you to question are those who do not want you to know the Real Truth.

Yes, I think that the Revelation of Baha’u’llah came from God to Baha’u’llah. Why else would I believe it?

I believe that the Baha’u’llah was a Prophet (Manifestation of God) and was infallible because His Will was identical with the Will of God. I do not question Him because I am just a fallible creature who is not equal to a Manifestation of God. It would be very arrogant for me to question a Manifestation of God. What He wrote is the Real Truth because it comes from God. Why would I question it?

OK, let's lose all the religions and holy books. Ask yourself. Has God ever told anyone not to question?? Of course not and never will. Has God ever told someone to question? Yes, everyday through His actions. God rewards those who question, search, and discover the answers. The rewards from new knowledge brings new ways of thinking and an easier life, also it keeps the quest for new knowledge moving ever forward. We would all still be cave people if no one ever questioned.

Anything God has ever told us has come through the holy books. God never said not to question.

Don’t get me wrong. I am not saying that I cannot question things in life, but I do not question the Word of God, although I might question what it means.

Hmmm? Seems you just Discovered another one of God's actions. Widen your view. What else can you see?

You claim your holy book comes straight from God but clearly it is a creation of mankind.

This is the crux of the matter. You think a holy book comes from mankind and I think it comes from a Manifestation of God. There is a huge difference between the two. Mankind if fallible, a Manifestation of God is infallible because He is made of the substance of God.

 

[Cacotopia]

If god exists, it probably doesn't care,

 

[ChristineM]

Don't you see? It's not about Faith or Believing. It's not about going to church. This is not God. This is mankind.

AS I see it, mankind's Greatest problem is that everybody wants to rule the world. Mankind holds tightly on the petty concept of ruling and controlling others.

AS I have said before. Your journey has never been up to me. On the other hand, just like God does, I placed Truth around you with no demands from you at all. Don't want to go to church? Great! Don't want to believe in God? Great. Want to think I'm crazy? Great. It's you choosing and learning from your choices only now you have more information whether you realize it or not..

Knowledge runs deep throughout this world. On the other hand, so many can not seem to see beyond the surface. Just as all the complex physics of this world run deep so does everything around people. Very few even have a clue. Just as all the physics add up completely, so does the people factor. Does it all really add up to you?

I'm curious. What is your evidence that God does not exist?

You are welcome to your opinion

You want a list?

E=MC2 shows the god of revelation 19:6 kjv (and others) cannot exist in this universe at the same time as you.
Childhood leukemia shows that no compassionate god exists
The mosquito shows no creator god exists
The futility of prayer shows no listening god god exists
Proof by exhaustion shows that no god has ever existed in the human history of god worship.

These are physically evident, observable and/or measurable.

 

[Trailblazer]

If god exists, it probably doesn't care,

No, God does not care if 100% of people in the world believe in Him. That is why God leaves atheists alone.

 

[ChristineM]

No, God does not care if 100% of people in the world believe in Him. That is why God leaves atheists alone.

I was wondering why all that lightning kept missing me.

But... But... But. Are you saying you know the mind of god?

 

[Trailblazer]

But... But... But. Are you saying you know the mind of god?

No, I just used my reasoning...
If an omnipotent God needed everyone to believe in Him, He could easily accomplish that... Since he has not done so we can deduce that God does not need everyone to believe in Him.

That does not mean that God does not care, I do not know if God cares or not.

 

[ChristineM]

No, I just used my reasoning...
If an omnipotent God needed everyone to believe in Him, He could easily accomplish that... Since he has not done so we can deduce that God does not need everyone to believe in Him.

That does not mean that God does not care, I do not know if God cares or not.

Or that there is no god... You forgot that option

 

[Bird123]

Yes, I think that the Revelation of Baha’u’llah came from God to Baha’u’llah. Why else would I believe it?

I believe that the Baha’u’llah was a Prophet (Manifestation of God) and was infallible because His Will was identical with the Will of God. I do not question Him because I am just a fallible creature who is not equal to a Manifestation of God. It would be very arrogant for me to question a Manifestation of God. What He wrote is the Real Truth because it comes from God. Why would I question it?

Anything God has ever told us has come through the holy books. God never said not to question.

Don’t get me wrong. I am not saying that I cannot question things in life, but I do not question the Word of God, although I might question what it means.

This is the crux of the matter. You think a holy book comes from mankind and I think it comes from a Manifestation of God. There is a huge difference between the two. Mankind if fallible, a Manifestation of God is infallible because He is made of the substance of God.

your quote;This is the crux of the matter. You think a holy book comes from mankind and I think it comes from a Manifestation of God. There is a huge difference between the two. Mankind if fallible, a Manifestation of God is infallible because He is made of the substance of God.[/QUOTE] My Answer; What is your determining factor on deciding your holy book is a manifestation of God?

If it turns out it is not a manifestation of God, you will never Discover that simply because you do not Question.

 

[Bird123]

You are welcome to your opinion

You want a list?

E=MC2 shows the god of revelation 19:6 kjv (and others) cannot exist in this universe at the same time as you.
Childhood leukemia shows that no compassionate god exists
The mosquito shows no creator god exists
The futility of prayer shows no listening god god exists
Proof by exhaustion shows that no god has ever existed in the human history of god worship.

These are physically evident, observable and/or measurable.

Since holy books are all creations of mankind, any proof disclaiming what they say is a waste of time simply because I agree with you.


As for the rest, you do have valid issues that anyone who Questions needs to address. Good for you. You do Question.

Mankind's Goal as I see it: People want to have it made. They want everything to go their way. They do not want any adversity or troubles of any kind. They want Happiness all the days they exist.

Question of the day: Is this what God wants??? Isn't God's Goal different? Why are you here? Are you here to have it made? What purpose does everyone serve? Does eternity have purpose? If eternity has no purpose, what are you going to do for that length of time? Yes, there are a Million Questions.

Has not religion corrupted everyone's thinking by offering paradise through one mere lifetime of following their rules? Are they not feeding people what they want to hear in order to gain followers? Just as you have figured out, does what they teach really add up? Of course it doesn't.

Everything about God MUST add up or you can not have the Truth. As I see it, one must Widen their view, Look at the entire picture, and Study that which exists beyond the surface. Just like with science, there is always more to Discover even after one Discovers something. As I see it. THIS IS GOD and GOD'S ACTIONS.

The Journey to know God is not going to be in any book.

Finally, God places no demands, threats or punishments on your or anyone's choice of what they choose to Discover. God is Not religion.

 

[Trailblazer]

Or that there is no god... You forgot that option

No, I did not forget... There are three mutually exclusive logical possibilities:

1. God exists and communicates via Messengers, or
2. God exists and does not communicate, or
3. God does not exist

 

[Trailblazer]

your quote; This is the crux of the matter. You think a holy book comes from mankind and I think it comes from a Manifestation of God. There is a huge difference between the two. Mankind if fallible, a Manifestation of God is infallible because He is made of the substance of God.

My Answer; What is your determining factor on deciding your holy book is a manifestation of God?

I did not say that my holy book was a manifestation of God; I said it was written by a Manifestation of God, Baha’u’llah, although it really amounts to the same thing.

The determining factor for that is the evidence that indicates that Baha’u’llah was a Manifestation of God.

If it turns out it is not a manifestation of God, you will never Discover that simply because you do not Question.

Even if it turned out that Baha’u’llah was not a Manifestation of God, I will still have Discovered the same things because I Question everything.

If it turned out that Baha’u’llah was a Manifestation of God, by rejecting Him you – and everyone else who rejected Him -- will have missed out on knowing everything we are able to know about the One True God and what that God wants us to do. This is not small potatoes.

Baha’u’llah is a direct Source of information about God, whereas anything you can Discover is indirect and could be interpreted incorrectly, which would actually lead you away from God rather than towards God.

I guess you do not understand the inherent danger in your approach, but I do.