Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

[ChristineM]

Since holy books are all creations of mankind, any proof disclaiming what they say is a waste of time simply because I agree with you.


As for the rest, you do have valid issues that anyone who Questions needs to address. Good for you. You do Question.

Mankind's Goal as I see it: People want to have it made. They want everything to go their way. They do not want any adversity or troubles of any kind. They want Happiness all the days they exist.

Question of the day: Is this what God wants??? Isn't God's Goal different? Why are you here? Are you here to have it made? What purpose does everyone serve? Does eternity have purpose? If eternity has no purpose, what are you going to do for that length of time? Yes, there are a Million Questions.

Has not religion corrupted everyone's thinking by offering paradise through one mere lifetime of following their rules? Are they not feeding people what they want to hear in order to gain followers? Just as you have figured out, does what they teach really add up? Of course it doesn't.

Everything about God MUST add up or you can not have the Truth. As I see it, one must Widen their view, Look at the entire picture, and Study that which exists beyond the surface. Just like with science, there is always more to Discover even after one Discovers something. As I see it. THIS IS GOD and GOD'S ACTIONS.

The Journey to know God is not going to be in any book.

Finally, God places no demands, threats or punishments on your or anyone's choice of what they choose to Discover. God is Not religion.

Mostly rehash or opinion sans evidence

Mankind's goal is to live, reproduce to carry on their species. All else is just personal.

Finally, there is no god to place demands, but religious people put demands on others in their gods name.

 

[Bird123]

I did not say that my holy book was a manifestation of God; I said it was written by a Manifestation of God, Baha’u’llah, although it really amounts to the same thing.

The determining factor for that is the evidence that indicates that Baha’u’llah was a Manifestation of God.

Even if it turned out that Baha’u’llah was not a Manifestation of God, I will still have Discovered the same things because I Question everything.

If it turned out that Baha’u’llah was a Manifestation of God, by rejecting Him you – and everyone else who rejected Him -- will have missed out on knowing everything we are able to know about the One True God and what that God wants us to do. This is not small potatoes.

Baha’u’llah is a direct Source of information about God, whereas anything you can Discover is indirect and could be interpreted incorrectly, which would actually lead you away from God rather than towards God.

I guess you do not understand the inherent danger in your approach, but I do.

your quote:The determining factor for that is the evidence that indicates that Baha’u’llah was a Manifestation of God. My Answer:What is your evidence?

your quote:what that God wants us to do. My Answer: What do you think God wants you to do?

your quote:Baha’u’llah is a direct Source of information about God, whereas anything you can Discover is indirect and could be interpreted incorrectly, which would actually lead you away from God rather than towards God. My Answer: All you have are Beliefs. You base everything on Beliefs. I deal with Facts, and Math. If God exists, then God can be found. As I see it, the direction by which I point leads to God and Higher Learning. Once you Discover God, God will no longer be a Belief. Is it better to Believe or is it better to Know? How little do believers actually know! How quickly they discard Discovering the Real Truth over hanging onto mere Beliefs.

 

[Bird123]

Mostly rehash or opinion sans evidence

Mankind's goal is to live, reproduce to carry on their species. All else is just personal.

Finally, there is no god to place demands, but religious people put demands on others in their gods name.

Evidence can be found, however Discovery is up to those who will do what it takes to Discover it.

I have found no religion that actually understands God. You are right. Many use God's name as a tool to attempt the control of others.

Mankind values so many petty things. Until each Discovers what these petty things really are, they will not move forward. You are right, Control is big one. Many choose hard lessons for themselves around control. When one finally understands all sides, Intelligence will make the best choices.

 

[ChristineM]

Evidence can be found, however Discovery is up to those who will do what it takes to Discover it.

I have found no religion that actually understands God. You are right. Many use God's name as a tool to attempt the control of others.

Mankind values so many petty things. Until each Discovers what these petty things really are, they will not move forward. You are right, Control is big one. Many choose hard lessons for themselves around control. When one finally understands all sides, Intelligence will make the best choices.

The thing about evidence is it requires facts or information. Without facts or information what you have is opinion

 

[Trailblazer]

My quote: The determining factor for that is the evidence that indicates that Baha’u’llah was a Manifestation of God.

Your Answer: What is your evidence?

The evidence that Baha’u’llah was who He claimed to be is His character; the history of His life; what He did during His mission on earth; the scriptures that He wrote; what others have written about Him; the Bible prophecies that He fulfilled and the prophecies of other religions that He fulfilled; the predictions He made that have come to pass; the religion that was established as the result of His Revelation, what His followers all over the world have done and are doing now.

My quote: what that God wants us to do.

Your Answer: What do you think God wants you to do?

God wants me to do whatever Baha’u’llah revealed in His Writings, since what He wrote is “identical” with the will of God.

My quote: Baha’u’llah is a direct Source of information about God, whereas anything you can Discover is indirect and could be interpreted incorrectly, which would actually lead you away from God rather than towards God.

Your Answer: All you have are Beliefs. You base everything on Beliefs.

I believe what Baha’u’llah revealed because I believe what Baha’u’llah revealed was identical with the will of God. You are darned tootin’ that I base everything upon what Baha’u’llah revealed, since He had the knowledge of God.

“O KING! I was but a man like others, asleep upon My couch, when lo, the breezes of the All-Glorious were wafted over Me, and taught Me the knowledge of all that hath been. This thing is not from Me, but from One Who is Almighty and All-Knowing. And He bade Me lift up My voice between earth and heaven, and for this there befell Me what hath caused the tears of every man of understanding to flow. The learning current amongst men I studied not; their schools I entered not. Ask of the city wherein I dwelt, that thou mayest be well assured that I am not of them who speak falsely. This is but a leaf which the winds of the will of thy Lord, the Almighty, the All-Praised, have stirred.”” Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 57
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Baha’u’llah was either a liar, deluded, or he was telling the truth. It seems very odd to me that so many people are willing to discount His claim without even looking at the evidence. That is a huge gamble, given the consequences of rejecting Him.

I deal with Facts, and Math. If God exists, then God can be found.

Then how come nobody has found God yet? They have had plenty of time.

As I see it, the direction by which I point leads to God and Higher Learning. Once you Discover God, God will no longer be a Belief. Is it better to Believe or is it better to Know?

I Know God exists because of what Baha’u’llah revealed about God. That is the only way we can Know anything about God. God cannot be Discovered by any other means.

How little do believers actually know!

Baha’is know everything about God that we are able to know, because that has been revealed by Baha’u’llah.

How quickly they discard Discovering the Real Truth over hanging onto mere Beliefs.

How quickly you discard the Real Truth that Baha’u’llah revealed about God while you hang onto an imaginary god, one you created in your head.

Obviously you have a problem with the “idea” of religious beliefs. Perhaps something happened to you, perhaps you were hurt by religion in the past, I do not know. But nothing you are saying is in any way logical. God cannot be discovered because God is unknowable, beyond anything that can ever be recounted or perceived. The attributes and will of God have been revealed by the Messengers God sent and that is the only way we can know anything about God. This is logic 101 stuff.

 

[Trailblazer]

I have found no religion that actually understands God.

Then I guess you never looked at Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or the Baha'i Faith.

You are right. Many use God's name as a tool to attempt the control of others.

That is what you are doing, trying to make people see God your way.

But you know nothing about God, nothing, because you refuse to look at religious scriptures, which are the ONLY WAY you can know anything about God.

 

[Bird123]

The thing about evidence is it requires facts or information. Without facts or information what you have is opinion

For those who seek facts or evidence, it takes not only work but the will to do what it takes to Discover it. For those who seek Beliefs, it's no more than choosing what to accept or reject.

it's so easy to want others to do the work, however can you really expect to receive the facts and evidence you might seek? Hardly, especially when it comes to God.

 

[ChristineM]

For those who seek facts or evidence, it takes not only work but the will to do what it takes to Discover it. For those who seek Beliefs, it's no more than choosing what to accept or reject.

it's so easy to want others to do the work, however can you really expect to receive the facts and evidence you might seek? Hardly, especially when it comes to God.

A fundimental twist on projection

Both facts and evidence rely on truth, not opnion

 

[Bird123]

The evidence that Baha’u’llah was who He claimed to be is His character; the history of His life; what He did during His mission on earth; the scriptures that He wrote; what others have written about Him; the Bible prophecies that He fulfilled and the prophecies of other religions that He fulfilled; the predictions He made that have come to pass; the religion that was established as the result of His Revelation, what His followers all over the world have done and are doing now.

God wants me to do whatever Baha’u’llah revealed in His Writings, since what He wrote is “identical” with the will of God.

I believe what Baha’u’llah revealed because I believe what Baha’u’llah revealed was identical with the will of God. You are darned tootin’ that I base everything upon what Baha’u’llah revealed, since He had the knowledge of God.

“O KING! I was but a man like others, asleep upon My couch, when lo, the breezes of the All-Glorious were wafted over Me, and taught Me the knowledge of all that hath been. This thing is not from Me, but from One Who is Almighty and All-Knowing. And He bade Me lift up My voice between earth and heaven, and for this there befell Me what hath caused the tears of every man of understanding to flow. The learning current amongst men I studied not; their schools I entered not. Ask of the city wherein I dwelt, that thou mayest be well assured that I am not of them who speak falsely. This is but a leaf which the winds of the will of thy Lord, the Almighty, the All-Praised, have stirred.”” Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 57
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Baha’u’llah was either a liar, deluded, or he was telling the truth. It seems very odd to me that so many people are willing to discount His claim without even looking at the evidence. That is a huge gamble, given the consequences of rejecting Him.

Then how come nobody has found God yet? They have had plenty of time.

I Know God exists because of what Baha’u’llah revealed about God. That is the only way we can Know anything about God. God cannot be Discovered by any other means.

Baha’is know everything about God that we are able to know, because that has been revealed by Baha’u’llah.

How quickly you discard the Real Truth that Baha’u’llah revealed about God while you hang onto an imaginary god, one you created in your head.

Obviously you have a problem with the “idea” of religious beliefs. Perhaps something happened to you, perhaps you were hurt by religion in the past, I do not know. But nothing you are saying is in any way logical. God cannot be discovered because God is unknowable, beyond anything that can ever be recounted or perceived. The attributes and will of God have been revealed by the Messengers God sent and that is the only way we can know anything about God. This is logic 101 stuff.

your quote;Then how come nobody has found God yet? They have had plenty of time. My Answer: I have found God. Why do you think I question all those Beliefs people hang onto? It's because I know no religion really understands God.

Let's look around at what God actually does. Knowledge must be Discovered. God has done this since the beginning of time. My journey to God wasn't given. Discovery takes lots of work. Now you are telling me God picked this guy out, then surprised him and made a messenger out of him to tell you what you need to know. Please, give me a break. Look for those petty things mankind holds so dear in his writings and you will see that it is not God. Example; Your guy tells you not to question. This is Not God regardless of how you might want it to be.

As I see it, I have pointed you in a direction by which, given enough time, you can find God. As with everything in life, you choose what you really want to learn. Beliefs have never got it with me. I must have the Truth. That is why, when I became an adult, I started my journey to Discovery.

The path I took is not as easy as merely accepting beliefs, however the results are so much better.

 

[Bird123]

Then I guess you never looked at Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or the Baha'i Faith.

That is what you are doing, trying to make people see God your way.

But you know nothing about God, nothing, because you refuse to look at religious scriptures, which are the ONLY WAY you can know anything about God.

Your quote:Then I guess you never looked at Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or the Baha'i Faith. My answer: I was actually raised Christian. So much of it does not add up. I read parts of the Koran and it was worse threatening than the Christians. Judaism I do not know much about, however God isn't going to tell you what to eat or not eat. Finally Baha'i tells me just from your quote that tells people not to question, it does not come from God.

Most holy books all contain some goodness, however since they are a creation of mankind, they reflect mankind's desire to hang onto so many petty things that is not at a Higher Level.

Perhaps the question should be: Do you follow mankind to find God or do you work at Discovering Who God really is on your own? Of course, the third choice is to do absolutely nothing. It's all up to each to choose. There is no punishment for what one chooses to learn.

 

[Bird123]

A fundimental twist on projection

Both facts and evidence rely on truth, not opnion

I thought facts and evidence are Truth. They do not rely on anything. They exist. It's up to the person seeking the facts or evidence to do what it takes to Discover them.

Beliefs, on the other hand, are opinions.

 

[ChristineM]

I thought facts and evidence are Truth. They do not rely on anything. They exist. It's up to the person seeking the facts or evidence to do what it takes to Discover them.

Beliefs, on the other hand, are opinions.

Of course they rely on truth to be true. That truth can change and the fact or evidence could well be superceded by that change.

Its up to the person making the statement of fact to justify his claim.

What you are saying is, that planet 5 billion light years away is made of tinfoil hats, prove me wrong. Its the stupid position a fundimentalist takes when they know they have nothing but verbals and opinion that has no baring on real life.

 

[Trailblazer]

My quote; Then how come nobody has found God yet?

They have had plenty of time.

Your Answer: I have found God. Why do you think I question all those Beliefs people hang onto? It's because I know no religion really understands God.

Anyone can say that they found God, but where is your proof? Have you located God on a GPS tracker?

No religion understands God and you do? Do you have anything to back up that claim? What is it that you understand that religion does not understand?

Let's look around at what God actually does. Knowledge must be Discovered. God has done this since the beginning of time. My journey to God wasn't given. Discovery takes lots of work.

How do you know that what you have Discovered is what God actually does? How do you know what God has done since the beginning of time?

Now you are telling me God picked this guy out, then surprised him and made a messenger out of him to tell you what you need to know. Please, give me a break.

Yes that is exactly what I am telling you.
And you are telling me you can know something about God without a Messenger. Please, give me a break.

Look for those petty things mankind holds so dear in his writings and you will see that it is not God.

I already explained that Baha’u’llah was not a man; He was a Manifestation of God. A Messenger of God knows more about God than any human because He is more than human. He is a mysterious and ethereal Being that has been assigned a twofold nature; the physical, pertaining to the world of matter, and the spiritual, which is born of the substance of God Himself. His body is human but His Soul was not conceived at conception like ours, but was rather pre-existent. In that preexistence His Soul was given the capacity to receive direct revelations from God and translate that Revelation into a form we can understand, Words that are endowed with an invisible spiritual force.

Example; Your guy tells you not to question. This is Not God regardless of how you might want it to be.

Baha’u’llah does not tell us not to question. He only tells us not to question what He wrote, and why anyone but a bumbling fool question the Word of God? We can question anything else we want to but to question a Manifestation of God is like saying we can know as much about God as He knows; that is impossible because only Messengers of God get messages from God.

As I see it, I have pointed you in a direction by which, given enough time, you can find God. As with everything in life, you choose what you really want to learn. Beliefs have never got it with me. I must have the Truth. That is why, when I became an adult, I started my journey to Discovery.

Nobody can know anything about God without an intermediary between themselves and God. Messengers of God are those intermediaries.
But nobody can ever “find God” since God is forever hidden from our view.

The path I took is not as easy as merely accepting beliefs, however the results are so much better.

The results are your illusion that you know something about God, but there is no way you can know anything about God without a Messenger of God.

 

[Trailblazer]

My quote: Then I guess you never looked at Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or the Baha'i Faith.

Your answer: I was actually raised Christian. So much of it does not add up. I read parts of the Koran and it was worse threatening than the Christians. Judaism I do not know much about, however God isn't going to tell you what to eat or not eat. Finally Baha'i tells me just from your quote that tells people not to question, it does not come from God.

As I just said in my previous post, Baha’u’llah does not tell us not to question. In fact, we are enjoined to read eight non-fiction books for every Baha’i book that we read and Baha’u’llah considers education as vital to becoming who we have the potential to be.

“Man is the supreme Talisman. Lack of a proper education hath, however, deprived him of that which he doth inherently possess. Through a word proceeding out of the mouth of God he was called into being; by one word more he was guided to recognize the Source of his education; by yet another word his station and destiny were safeguarded. The Great Being saith: Regard man as a mine rich in gems of inestimable value. Education can, alone, cause it to reveal its treasures, and enable mankind to benefit therefrom.”
Gleanings, pp. 259-260​

Most holy books all contain some goodness, however since they are a creation of mankind, they reflect mankind's desire to hang onto so many petty things that is not at a Higher Level.

Holy books cannot be a creation of mankind if they are holy because mankind is not holy. I believe the Bible was inspired by God, but it was not written by a Manifestation of God so it is not inerrant. Moreover, it has many inaccuracies given how it came to be written. It is thus unreliable as a source of information about God, but it was the best we had until the Qur’an was revealed. The Qur’an is a lot more authentic than the Bible, but it has been superseded by the wholly authentic Writings of Baha’u’llalh, written in His Own Pen.

Apparently what you are referring to what is nonessential in religion such as whether we eat pork or not, the laws that change with every new religion that is revealed. These old laws have been superseded by the Laws revealed by Baha’u’llah but adherents to older religions continue to hang onto the teachings and laws of their older religions, most of which no longer apply to the new age we live in. The spiritual teachings of all religions are however eternal so they will never be abrogated.

Perhaps the question should be: Do you follow mankind to find God or do you work at Discovering Who God really is on your own?

No, the choice is whether you read the Writings of Baha’u’llah and Discover what we are able to know about God or whether you just imagine you can Discover God on your own. The choice is yours.

Of course, the third choice is to do absolutely nothing. It's all up to each to choose. There is no punishment for what one chooses to learn.

Yes, that is a choice, but I believe it is better to do nothing than to do something that will lead one away from the real God; so I think it is smarter for an atheist to withhold belief in God rather than have a false belief about God. The reason I think that is because an atheist can always come to believe in God through the proper channels, but a believer who believes in a God of their own imagination is not going to be open to looking for the real God.

 

[Bird123]

Of course they rely on truth to be true. That truth can change and the fact or evidence could well be superceded by that change.

Its up to the person making the statement of fact to justify his claim.

What you are saying is, that planet 5 billion light years away is made of tinfoil hats, prove me wrong. Its the stupid position a fundimentalist takes when they know they have nothing but verbals and opinion that has no baring on real life.

If it mattered what was on a planet 5 billion light years to me, it would be up to me to Discover the Truth. As of now, I have to figure a way to get there. You also were not specific which planet you refer to.

your quote:Its up to the person making the statement of fact to justify his claim. My Answer: You do not understand. I pointed you in a direction by which you can Discover God and your evidence. What you do from here is up to you. God places truth all around you. Does God justifies anything to anyone? No, you must Discover truth for yourself. You see. what you decide to do with Truth is up to you. I have nothing to gain or prove.

From where I stand, I will not feed Beliefs and I can not do your journey to Discovery for you. I'm afraid it's all up to you. Do nothing or see how deep the rabbit hole goes. I will not convince you to make a specific choice.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

it is smarter for an atheist to withhold belief in God rather than have a false belief about God

My sentiments exactly. Post that up on the billboard somewhere.

 

[Bird123]

Anyone can say that they found God, but where is your proof? Have you located God on a GPS tracker?

No religion understands God and you do? Do you have anything to back up that claim? What is it that you understand that religion does not understand?

How do you know that what you have Discovered is what God actually does? How do you know what God has done since the beginning of time?

Yes that is exactly what I am telling you.
And you are telling me you can know something about God without a Messenger. Please, give me a break.

I already explained that Baha’u’llah was not a man; He was a Manifestation of God. A Messenger of God knows more about God than any human because He is more than human. He is a mysterious and ethereal Being that has been assigned a twofold nature; the physical, pertaining to the world of matter, and the spiritual, which is born of the substance of God Himself. His body is human but His Soul was not conceived at conception like ours, but was rather pre-existent. In that preexistence His Soul was given the capacity to receive direct revelations from God and translate that Revelation into a form we can understand, Words that are endowed with an invisible spiritual force.

Baha’u’llah does not tell us not to question. He only tells us not to question what He wrote, and why anyone but a bumbling fool question the Word of God? We can question anything else we want to but to question a Manifestation of God is like saying we can know as much about God as He knows; that is impossible because only Messengers of God get messages from God.

Nobody can know anything about God without an intermediary between themselves and God. Messengers of God are those intermediaries.
But nobody can ever “find God” since God is forever hidden from our view.

The results are your illusion that you know something about God, but there is no way you can know anything about God without a Messenger of God.

One test on your journey to Discovery is that everything adds up completely with everything else. When you are putting a puzzle together, you start with the easy pieces. Before long, the picture gets clearer until you can see.

When one opens one door, it leads to more doors one can open. God sees it all. What do you think happens as you progress toward truth?

Religions do not understand God because of all those petty things they continue to value today. If your messenger says not to question then, he too values petty things including trying to control your actions. If God doesn't control your choices, why would God send a messenger to do just that?

Most people have a very narrow view and tend to see what they want to see. On a journey to Discover the Real Truth, one must be open to all possibilities even the ones they do not readily agree with.

You say no one can know God. I think everyone already knows God from before we are placed in physical bodies. On the other hand, one must be ready and have at least a basic understanding or one would just be confused by the experience. That's where a journey comes in. Discover first!. Confirmed second!

God works on multiple levels with multiple views. It is going to be a stretch. It might take weeks to really see what all was said and that is with a very open mind and view. WE are truly ants intellectually in comparison.

If you are like religion and see the world and it's people as a mess, then you do not have a clue about God nor what it is really all about.

 

[Bird123]

As I just said in my previous post, Baha’u’llah does not tell us not to question. In fact, we are enjoined to read eight non-fiction books for every Baha’i book that we read and Baha’u’llah considers education as vital to becoming who we have the potential to be.

“Man is the supreme Talisman. Lack of a proper education hath, however, deprived him of that which he doth inherently possess. Through a word proceeding out of the mouth of God he was called into being; by one word more he was guided to recognize the Source of his education; by yet another word his station and destiny were safeguarded. The Great Being saith: Regard man as a mine rich in gems of inestimable value. Education can, alone, cause it to reveal its treasures, and enable mankind to benefit therefrom.”
Gleanings, pp. 259-260​

Holy books cannot be a creation of mankind if they are holy because mankind is not holy. I believe the Bible was inspired by God, but it was not written by a Manifestation of God so it is not inerrant. Moreover, it has many inaccuracies given how it came to be written. It is thus unreliable as a source of information about God, but it was the best we had until the Qur’an was revealed. The Qur’an is a lot more authentic than the Bible, but it has been superseded by the wholly authentic Writings of Baha’u’llalh, written in His Own Pen.

Apparently what you are referring to what is nonessential in religion such as whether we eat pork or not, the laws that change with every new religion that is revealed. These old laws have been superseded by the Laws revealed by Baha’u’llah but adherents to older religions continue to hang onto the teachings and laws of their older religions, most of which no longer apply to the new age we live in. The spiritual teachings of all religions are however eternal so they will never be abrogated.

No, the choice is whether you read the Writings of Baha’u’llah and Discover what we are able to know about God or whether you just imagine you can Discover God on your own. The choice is yours.

Yes, that is a choice, but I believe it is better to do nothing than to do something that will lead one away from the real God; so I think it is smarter for an atheist to withhold belief in God rather than have a false belief about God. The reason I think that is because an atheist can always come to believe in God through the proper channels, but a believer who believes in a God of their own imagination is not going to be open to looking for the real God.

What am I going to do with you? You can find flaws in other holy books but can see none in yours? Why is that?

God's actions can not be altered by anyone. You know they are Truth. Would you study Truth or would you study Beliefs written by mankind?

AS I see it, for God, it has never ever been about Believing, Ruling, Controlling, Threatening,Coercing, intimidating, Condemning, Judging, Punishing, Blaming,Hating, Good, Evil, Sin, or even Laws.

I could probably come up with more, however do you see? Do you feel empty without some version of one of these petty things? Is there a religion that does not incorporate this stuff? If you get rid of it, what are you left with? Anything? Think about it.

We all have the power to Choose what we value. Aren't there better things to value than the petty ones?

 

[Trailblazer]

One test on your journey to Discovery is that everything adds up completely with everything else. When you are putting a puzzle together, you start with the easy pieces. Before long, the picture gets clearer until you can see.

When one opens one door, it leads to more doors one can open. God sees it all. What do you think happens as you progress toward truth?

Everything I believe adds up completely with everything else. That is one reason I believe it, it makes sense. The picture is clear to me but it gets clearer as time goes on. As one progresses towards truth, more truth will, come, but we will never know all truth.

Religions do not understand God because of all those petty things they continue to value today. If your messenger says not to question then, he too values petty things including trying to control your actions. If God doesn't control your choices, why would God send a messenger to do just that?

I already told you more than once that my Messenger does not tell us not to question. The Messenger does not seek to control our choices any more than God seeks to control them. Doing what was revealed by the Messenger is a choice we make if we believe He speaks for God it makes sense to me to listen to what He had to say and follow it.

Most people have a very narrow view and tend to see what they want to see. On a journey to Discover the Real Truth, one must be open to all possibilities even the ones they do not readily agree with.

How do you think you can know when you have Discovered the Real Truth? What is there to measure it and test it to determine if it is Real?

You say no one can know God. I think everyone already knows God from before we are placed in physical bodies. On the other hand, one must be ready and have at least a basic understanding or one would just be confused by the experience. That's where a journey comes in. Discover first!. Confirmed second!

How do you think we know God before we are born? Where do you think we were before that? How do you think you can have a basic understanding of God?

God works on multiple levels with multiple views. It is going to be a stretch. It might take weeks to really see what all was said and that is with a very open mind and view. WE are truly ants intellectually in comparison.

How do you think you can know how God works or what God is doing or what was said?

If you are like religion and see the world and it's people as a mess, then you do not have a clue about God nor what it is really all about.

How do you think you know about God and what God is all about? That is the hundred-dollar question.

 

[Trailblazer]

What am I going to do with you? You can find flaws in other holy books but can see none in yours? Why is that?

I did not say there were flaws in the other holy books. I said they are out of date because they were written for another time in history, not for this new age.

God's actions can not be altered by anyone. You know they are Truth. Would you study Truth or would you study Beliefs written by mankind?

How do you think you can know what God’s actions are?

My beliefs were not written by mankind, they were written by a Manifestation of God, which is the closest to God’s Truth one can ever have. What Baha’u’llah wrote is identical to the will of God.

AS I see it, for God, it has never ever been about Believing, Ruling, Controlling, Threatening, Coercing, intimidating, Condemning, Judging, Punishing, Blaming, Hating, Good, Evil, Sin, or even Laws.

I could probably come up with more, however do you see? Do you feel empty without some version of one of these petty things? Is there a religion that does not incorporate this stuff? If you get rid of it, what are you left with? Anything? Think about it.

My religion does not incorporate all of what you listed; only Believing, Good and Evil, and Laws.

We all have the power to Choose what we value. Aren't there better things to value than the petty ones?

Who decides what is petty, you or God? What happens when people Choose to value Evil and Sin?